Bill said:

You are close . But you are a little to literal in your understanding .

Jesus scolded the Pharisees over following the letter of the Law over the spirit of the Law .

As ive told others in the past . The Bible has many layers . In this case there is a Literal understanding and a Spiritual understanding. And thankfully the Lord wanted us to really grasp this about Circumcision. A physical circumcision is not a guarantee to Heaven . But its not the physical one that God seeks . It is the Circumcision of your heart he wants

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Your words don't mean anything show me scripture

Bill said:

You are close . But you are a little to literal in your understanding .

Jesus scolded the Pharisees over following the letter of the Law over the spirit of the Law .

As ive told others in the past . The Bible has many layers . In this case there is a Literal understanding and a Spiritual understanding. And thankfully the Lord wanted us to really grasp this about Circumcision. A physical circumcision is not a guarantee to Heaven . But its not the physical one that God seeks . It is the Circumcision of your heart he wants

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wrong one

your words don't mean anything ..show me scripture

Bill said:

Is there a limit to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit ? Does God Have a Limit ? Lol

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ummm not sure, he disperse them accordingly, ones dat i'm aware of are tongues, laying of hands and healing, discernment, wisdom, interpreting tongues, prophesying 2 name a few if I missed any!!

Samson2020 said:

Bill,

If he was never born of the spirit and gone through the process of salvation he is just a dead man until the second resurrection. You are basing his trip to paradise on his own righteousness. Wrong answer! You must be born of water and the spirit to see the Kingdom, And without the Spirit ye are NONE OF HIS.

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but what about the thief on the cross?

Bill said:

Its written in the Scriptures . Easy to find .

1 ) Jesus states a house divided against itself can not stand . ( in reguards to casting out devils )

2) Jesus sends the disciples out to the towns , Judias Iscariot's full name is listed among those sent

3) Upon returning the Apostles excited exclaimed even the demons obeyed us .

4) Jesus said to them , dont rejoice in these things , instead , rejoice your names are written in heaven

5) Judas chooses to betray Jesus

6) Jesus says it would have been better if he had never been born

7) God can not create falsehood . Can not create imperfection Can not create sin

8) as a baby Judas was born perfect in Gods eyes .

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God made man upright!! ecc 7:29

rhern53 said:

wrong one

your words don't mean anything ..show me scripture

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I did show you scripture , just didnt quote where it came from

spiriteddove05 said:

but what about the thief on the cross?

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I tell you truely the Thief on the Cross recieved all that was neccessary because of his compassion for Jesus.

You can not enter Heaven without Love . And what is God ? God is Love.

Compassion is a deep form of Love

It's where a person places their Faith. Recognizing that salvation is in / through Jesus Christ.

spiriteddove05 said:

ummm not sure, he disperse them accordingly, ones dat i'm aware of are tongues, laying of hands and healing, discernment, wisdom, interpreting tongues, prophesying 2 name a few if I missed any!!

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The Lord told me once , the only limit to the Gifts is your own imagination

Sue D. said:

It's where a person places their Faith. Recognizing that salvation is in / through Jesus Christ.

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All scripture has to agree with itself . So it cant be faith alone that takes us to Paradise. Remember the scripture, " faith alone brings us to our salvation" . And what is our Salvation ..... our Salvation is Jesus. Faith only bring us to Jesus .... but we still HAVE TO RECIEVE Him . Jesus says " knock and the door will be opened to you " Jesus opens the door . His Free Gift is there before us . But we still have to recieve Him . And once Gods love lives in us . There you go . " fan that fire into a flame " " that Gods love may burn in you "

Of Course a person has to personally accept God's gift of salvation. Our salvation has been made possible Through the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross when He died for all of us.

Then the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the person and He never leaves us until we are safe with Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:8 - 9 . "For by grace you are saved, through faith, and that, not of yourselves, it is a gift from God. Not of works, lest anyone should boast."

And Faith comes through reading / hearing God's Word.

And we are to share our faith with others.

And we are to keep on growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Growing spiritual by reading God's Word every day. And praying.

Bill said:

The Lord told me once , the only limit to the Gifts is your own imagination

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Spiritual gifts are given to every believer by the Holy Spirit. And those Are listed in Scripture.

Sue D. said:

Spiritual gifts are given to every believer by the Holy Spirit. And those Are listed in Scripture.

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Some are listed . Scripture never says that is all there is

Sue D. said:

Of Course a person has to personally accept God's gift of salvation. Our salvation has been made possible Through the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross when He died for all of us.

Then the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the person and He never leaves us until we are safe with Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:8 - 9 . "For by grace you are saved, through faith, and that, not of yourselves, it is a gift from God. Not of works, lest anyone should boast."

And Faith comes through reading / hearing God's Word.

And we are to share our faith with others.

And we are to keep on growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Growing spiritual by reading God's Word every day. And praying.

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Excellent Sue. I would say we fan our faith into flames for all to see by reading the Word and doing the Will of God.

The thief on the cross had heard of Jesus , we recieve faith by hearing .

How important it is for us to continue speaking Gods Word . We are His witnesses

Bill said:

I did show you scripture , just didnt quote where it came from

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Will you copy and paste the scripture to you statement or at least give scripture and verse next to you comment.

a simple request

rhern53 said:

Will you copy and paste the scripture to you statement or at least give scripture and verse next to you comment.

a simple request

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Rom 2 : 28 & 29 the real Jew is the one who is inwardly a Jew and the real circumcision is in the heart.

Bill said:

Rom 2 : 28 & 29 the real Jew is the one who is inwardly a Jew and the real circumcision is in the heart.

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Romans 2:28-29 King James Version (KJV)
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

I agree

Samson2020 said:

I WOULD NOT AS THERE IS NOTHING THAT I KNOW OF THAT SUPPORTS SUCH NONSENSE. GOD BEING THE ONE WHO DEVISED THIS PLAN NEVER ALLOWED FOR YOUR CHOICES TO CAUSE FAILURE OF HIS PLAN. THEREFORE HE WON'T ALLOW FAILURE OF HIS PLAN DUE TO YOUR CHOICES.

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With what you just said . What of Judas .

He wasnt predestined for hell . He was created perfect before God . God can not create imperfection . Or what of Satan . Again , God can not create imperfection . Yet Lucifer was a Prince among the Angel's. But he chose to rebel . And Judas chose to betray

Are you serious??
Matthew 26:56 "But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him and fled." And Acts 1:16 for conformation. Judas was predestined to be the betrayer of Jesus by the wisdom of God and the Holy Ghost had written about it in Psalms. And it was Satan that entered into him so they both had a role in the betrayal or carrying out of the scripture fulfillment.
Satan is not in rebellion to God he has a job to do, he is the waster, the smith that blows the coals of the fire. God created him for the purpose he serves. Jesus
said that Satan was a liar from the beginning. So the question would be the beginning of what? His appointment by God to be the waster? Or his initial making? Either way God made him what he is. Paul tells us that "I am what I am by the grace of God." But you would say that we are what we are because of our own choices? Satan included? Does this not remove the sovereignty of God? Best look into the book of Job and see the relationship between God and Satan. And look again at Isaiah 8 where you get your idea of Lucifer being Satan if you read a little further down is says "Is this the MAN that caused nations to tremble?" First you tell me you've seen people standing in front of the throne of God choosing hell??? Then this???? Your understanding is very wrong and in need of help. Best pray for understanding ALOT.

And lastly I feel I should show you a scripture you will not accept but I'm gonna show you anyway.
Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things."

Samson2020 said:

Are you serious??
Matthew 26:56 "But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him and fled." And Acts 1:16 for conformation. Judas was predestined to be the betrayer of Jesus by the wisdom of God and the Holy Ghost had written about it in Psalms. And it was Satan that entered into him so they both had a role in the betrayal or carrying out of the scripture fulfillment.
Satan is not in rebellion to God he has a job to do, he is the waster, the smith that blows the coals of the fire. God created him for the purpose he serves. Jesus
said that Satan was a liar from the beginning. So the question would be the beginning of what? His appointment by God to be the waster? Or his initial making? Either way God made him what he is. Paul tells us that "I am what I am by the grace of God." But you would say that we are what we are because of our own choices? Satan included? Does this not remove the sovereignty of God? Best look into the book of Job and see the relationship between God and Satan. And look again at Isaiah 8 where you get your idea of Lucifer being Satan if you read a little further down is says "Is this the MAN that caused nations to tremble?" First you tell me you've seen people standing in front of the throne of God choosing hell??? Then this???? Your understanding is very wrong and in need of help. Best pray for understanding ALOT.

And lastly I feel I should show you a scripture you will not accept but I'm gonna show you anyway.
Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things."

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Your translation is bad. . Even the reference posted says God creates calamity. ( my bible too)

How can God create evil . Does God have a flaw