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The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

Only Love revealed !

True Believers take God at His Word ! God's Sovereign distinguishing Love for His Chosen is the only Love for man God reveals as per Deut 7:6-7


6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Mal 1:2

2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,


Now there is nothing here that suggests that God also Loved the Egyptians or other people groups that existed when this truth was made known, and it would pure assumption to state that He did !

God's Love is not as the False teachers tell us, a general love for all mankind, regardless of their perversion of the Jn 3:16 text or the 1 Jn 2:2 text, but it is special and directed only to His own People Jn 13:1

1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

The objects of his love are described by his property in them, "his own"; by whom are meant, not all mankind, who are his by creation; nor the Jews, who were his nation and countrymen according to the flesh; nor the twelve apostles only, whom he had chosen; but all the elect of God, who are his own, by his choice of them, by the Father's gift of them to him, by the purchase he made of them with his blood, and by his effectual call of them by his grace:John Gill

The Church Eph 5:25,28-29

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Scripture here is very specific as to who Christ Loved, the Church, same as in Jn 13:1, Which is His own Body

28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:


Again, Christ Loved His Own Church, His Wife, His Own Body, what can be made more plainer to any honest heart quickened by God ?

Read again Mal 1:2, this is the very scripture God inspired Paul to use when preaching about the Election of Grace Rom 9:11-13 cp Rom 11:5-6. That such a truth is really the case [God's Love being discriminate] that God Loves only some men and not others, Paul anticipated the objection of our carnal mind against it and wrote immediately after vs 14

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Now how many of us believe that for God to Love only some of humanity and hate others, love them not, simply based upon motives in Himself and not the creature's doing good or evil, that God would be unrighteous[injustice] for doing so ?

Injustice means :

the quality or fact of being unjust; inequity.
violation of the rights of others; unjust or unfair action or treatment.


Those of you who say what Paul anticipated his hearers to say, that if God did this He would be unfair, then you know that Paul Preached a Distinguishing Love of God for some and hating others ! 4
 
I already know, but its you n grave error. so in the day of Judgment i will say, i told you so.
No you won't. You can't even read the New Testament texts, and so are left only with twisted translations that lie to you, while your teachers swear to it - just like the Pharisees had done.

But I understand the depth of indoctrination from which you suffer, like that of a cult, where your very identity would shatter if you left the truth inside, and so only the true voice of the Holy Spirit can knock this nonsense out of your head. I pray He does so quickly.

God bless,
Rhema
 
Jer 31:3

3The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Jn 17:23-24

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

And if God Loved them as He Loved Christ before the foundation of the world, then He Loved His Church in Christ before the foundation of the world !

Now how could God have Loved all men without exception, being that the only Love revealed is an everlasting Love Jer 31:3 even as His Mercy is from everlasting to everlasting, not upon all without exception, but upon them that fear Him per Ps 103:17

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Now, do all men without exception fear God ? NO..

And as His Mercy is from everlasting to everlasting, so also to them He Loved. Now if this be True, those of you who believe in the everlasting punishment of the wicked which scripture teaches Matt 25:41


41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And those Christ said this to Matt 23:32-33

32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You must conclude that God Loved them from Everlasting to Everlasting, and so He will be Loving them while they are cursed in the everlasting confines of everlasting fire ! How absurd !4
 
No you won't. You can't even read the New Testament texts, and so are left only with twisted translations that lie to you, while your teachers swear to it - just like the Pharisees had done.

But I understand the depth of indoctrination from which you suffer, like that of a cult, where your very identity would shatter if you left the truth inside, and so only the true voice of the Holy Spirit can knock this nonsense out of your head. I pray He does so quickly.

God bless,
Rhema
Yes I will, the path you on now is the wide road to destrction and opposition to the truth Im showing you the Truth
 
Yes I will, the path you on now is the wide road to destrction and opposition to the truth Im showing you the Truth
Bright, truly, this is an observation, not an insult, but I would greatly encourage you to take a college level course in both Logic and Epistemology.

Hone your critical thinking skills, and then you'll see that you are Not showing me the Truth.

God bless,
Rhema
 
All those God Loved have something in common with one another, that those God does not love do not have !

First they were Chosen in Christ before the world began, they were all Loved from everlasting Jer 31:3

Secondly, they have Christ as their Surety and Covenant Head from Everlasting !


Third, they have a accomplished redemption !

Fourthly,
They receive the Gift of Eternal Life !

Fifth, They are quickened out of being dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:5

Lastly, they will Love God Rom 8:28; 1 Jn 4:9


We love him, because he first loved us.

I recall Jesus saying to some jews this Jn 8:42

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

God's Love to a person shall causes that person to Love God and Christ !

So whoever dies in this condition 1 Cor 16:22

If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

That person was never Loved by God ! 4
 
If God Loved us !

2 Thess 2:16-17

16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

If God Loved all men without exception as false religion says, then all men without exception should by God be given [not offered] everlasting consolation and good hope through Grace !

The basis of these gifts is the Love of God. Those God Loves He gives Eternal Comfort and Good Hope.5
 
If God Loves everyone without exception as it is falsely preached these days, what does His Love have to do with one being saved ? It would have nothing to do with it, since millions whom God Loved will be tormented forever and ever for their sins. To hear these false teachers tell it, God Loved eternally those, just as much as He did those who shall be Glorified with Him forever !

But scripture is clear that it is because of God's Great Love for His Elect that they are saved Eph 2:4-5

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins
, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

Those who believe God Loved all men without exception, say this Great Love that saves is powerless to save all whom He Loved !
 
Hi Curtis,

I have often wondered just where J. Strong got this impression of "love less" as an "extension" (an odd view that even Mounce adopted).

The actual Greek word used, as you noted, is μισέω (G3404) which just means "to hate," plain and simple.

I provide for you a LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for G3403, where one can see that there is just no application of this verb to mean "love less." I rather think that Mr. Strong was trying to "cover" for Christ.
A. hate, e.g. Zeus hated (would not suffer) that...​
(The Cambridge Greek Lexicon adds, "detest, loath, resent," as well as "be appalled by")

I also provide for you a LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for Strong's primary word μῖσος (misos).
A. hate, hatred:​
(The Cambridge Greek Lexicon adds "loathing" and "detestation.")

Again there is no indication whatsoever for even this word to imply "love less."

If there is any context, it would be to "not suffer" or "not permit" or "not let" (to the point of loathing) father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life, to override one's devotion to and implementation of the teachings of Jesus. I have found quite often that there are people who "suffer" Christianity to override or supplant the teachings of Jesus. And since I find this detestable (G3403) it is difficult at times to filter this out of my voice.

Strong did his best with the information he had available back then, but his definitions ought not to be taken as gospel.

Kindly,
Rhema
I've found that commentators will sort of water things down to fit their theology.
 
If God Loves everyone without exception as it is falsely preached these days, what does His Love have to do with one being saved ? It would have nothing to do with it,
Seriously? You need to ask what His Love has to do with one being saved? He provided the Way for someone (anyone) to become saved.

Like... duh?

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.​
(John 10:9 KJV)
 
I've found that commentators will sort of water things down to fit their theology.
It might just be that Strong didn't have enough exposure to Koine Greek in order to establish an adequate definition, but I fear that you are right. The word "hate" was too much for Strong to accept.

One family of manuscripts state that Jesus became angry when someone questioned if Jesus would heal him. That didn't sit well with the scribe, who changed the word from anger to compassion.

Glad to see you posting, Butch,
Rhema
 
1 Jn 4:9-10

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

If God Loved all men without exception as some falsely assert, then it is His Purpose that they live [spiritually] through Christ, because He was sent into the world to be a propitiation for their sins, so if all without exception do not live spiritually, but remain dead in sin, God in His Love has failed in that Purpose, there is simply no other conclusion !
 
Rom 8:35-39

Rom 8:35-39

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Now since according to the false teachers, God and Christ Loved all men without exception, and it appears that nothing can separate the objects of their Love from their Love, then all those who shall yet hear the words of Matt 25:41

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They can be assured that while they are in everlasting torment and fire, and cursed, that God and Christ still Loves them.
 
Why God hates some !

Rom 9:13

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Mal 1:2-3

2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

3And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

One of the main reasons why God hates some is to manifest more clearly the Love that He does have for the ones He does Love. God's Love is not properly perceived, if it is not seen from the background of others that He hates ! That is God's point in Mal 1:2-3 ! They were both brothers, both sinners, yet God only Loved Jacob !

1 Jn 3:16

Hereby perceive we[Believers] the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 5
 

The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !​


Makes me wonder why there is concern on whether God Loved or maybe present tense "Loves" all men without exception? Maybe afraid of falling through the cracks and being one of those not being loved? or maybe if you tie it into predestination, that He also never did, and the questions, wonderings go on and on and on, does He or doesn't He.

Wondering maybe if you are not loved, because even though you say you believe in Jesus, you're not quite following the Lord's commandments of "Loving each other".

What actually came to mind on this today was, if he doesn't, how would you know? Great wealth, no wealth, hugs in the morning or none at all. Unless you have a direct line to Him, in which He tells you "Yep, he's Mine, or nope keep going to the next one..." what is it telling you about not just about God, but about whom you should love....

So, if God only loves those He has chosen, is that what you're going to do? Love only those who are saved? Like I said, unless you know for sure whether they are His or not, I dare say you better love them all!!!

Be less concerned about what God is doing with this one or that one, and more in line with showing/showering love to all people that He has showered on you, because as you know He first loved you anyway, and none of us who believe in Jesus, were all that clean beforehand for Him to do so!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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So, if God only loves those He has chosen, is that what you're going to do? Love only those who are saved?
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect TELEIOS - COMPLETE (in love), even as your Father which is in heaven is TELEIOS - COMPLETE.​
- Matthew 5:43-48 KJV~

Jesus taught that the love of God extends to all men. How? He sends rain to the just and the unjust, showing His love to all men. How? He makes His sun to rise on both evil and good men. That's how the Love of God is shown to all men, sending His Son to show the way to salvation and the forgiveness of sin to ALL men.

And Jesus commands that our love is to be COMPLETE, encompassing all people, even as the love of our Father which is in heaven is COMPLETE (to all people).

Rhema
 
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