1 Corinthians 13

[complete]

'If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
.. but have not love,
.... I am become sounding brass,
...... or a clanging cymbal.
And if I have the gift of prophecy,
.. and know all mysteries
.... and all knowledge;
...... and if I have all faith,
........ so as to remove mountains,
.......... but have not love,
............ I am nothing.
And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor,
.. and if I give my body to be burned,
.... but have not love,
...... it profiteth me nothing.
Love suffereth long, and is kind;
love envieth not;
love vaunteth not itself,
.. is not puffed up,
.... doth not behave itself unseemly,
...... seeketh not its own,
........ is not provoked,
.......... taketh not account of evil;
............ rejoiceth not in unrighteousness,
.............. but rejoiceth with the truth;
................ beareth all things,
.................. believeth all things,
.................... hopeth all things,
...................... endureth all things.
........................ Love never faileth:
but whether there be prophecies, - they shall be done away;
.. whether there be tongues, - they shall cease;
.... whether there be knowledge, - it shall be done away.
...... For we know in part,
........ and we prophesy in part;
.......... but when that which is perfect is come,
............ that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child,
.. I spake as a child,
.... I felt as a child,
...... I thought as a child:
........ now that I am become a man,
.......... I have put away childish things.
For now we see in a mirror, darkly; -
.. but then face to face:
.... now I know in part;
...... but then shall I know fully
........ even as also I was fully known.
But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three;
and the greatest of these is love.'
(1 Corinthians 13:1-13) ASV

 

[complete]

'And He gave some to be apostles;
.. and some, prophets;
.... and some, evangelists;
...... and some, pastors
........ and teachers;
.......... for the perfecting of the saints,
unto the work of ministering,
.. unto the building up of the body of Christ:
.... till we all attain unto the unity of the faith,
...... and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
........ unto a fullgrown man,
.......... unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
that we may be no longer children,
.. tossed to and fro
.... and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
...... by the sleight of men,
........ in craftiness,
.......... after the wiles of error;
but speaking truth in love,
.. may grow up in all things into Him, Who is the head, even Christ;
.... from Whom all the body fitly framed and knit together
...... through that which every joint supplieth,
........ according to the working in due measure of each several part,
.......... maketh the increase of the body
............ unto the building up of itself in love.'
(Ephesians 4:11-16) ASV

 

[B-A-C]

but whether there be prophecies, - they shall be done away;
.. whether there be tongues, - they shall cease;
.... whether there be knowledge, - it shall be done away.
...... For we know in part,
........ and we prophesy in part;
.......... but when that which is perfect is come,
............ that which is in part shall be done away.

I confess, I have often wondered why you format verses the way you do.

In any case...
Eventually things will be done away with... but some things will remain.
The things that will be done away with...
prophecies, tongues and knowledge. - question: do you think these 3 things have already been done away with?
When does it say these will be done away with? - "when that which is perfect is come". What do you think "that which is perfect" is? Has it already come?

If it is Jesus, He came before 1Corinthians was even written, so why is Paul still waiting for it? In fact Jesus was resurrected and ascended back to Heaven before Paul even got saved.

But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three;
and the greatest of these is love.'

Many Bible translations say "these three remain". So it seems that even when the first three are done away with, these three will still remain.

My last question here is.... do you think 1Corinthians was written in chronological order? What I am getting at, is that 1Cor 14 was obviously written after 1Cor 13 chronologically.
Chapter 13 says these 3 things will be done away with... ( eventually - when the perfect comes )... but then chapter 14 goes to talk about these 3 things still happening in the church.
Why would Paul need to keep talking about the way these things should be used or done, if they were done away with back in chapter 13?

 

[B-A-C]

'And He gave some to be apostles;
.. and some, prophets;
.... and some, evangelists;
...... and some, pastors
........ and teachers;
.......... for the perfecting of the saints,
unto the work of ministering,
.. unto the building up of the body of Christ:
.... till we all attain unto the unity of the faith,
...... and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
........ unto a fullgrown man,
.......... unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

There is a lot of debate about the apostles these days. It's funny almost everyone agrees there are still prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. But quite a few people disagree there are still any apostles.
There are 15 people identified as apostles in the Bible. Paul was not the last one called an Apostle. Barnabas was. Also there were a number of people who did signs and miracles (Stephen for example) who
are never called apostles in the Bible.

I dont want to get into a debate about current age apostles (the truth is, I don't know - so no sense debating). But I will debate people besides the "eleven" or "twelve" or "fifteen" doing signs and miracles in the New Testament.

 

[complete]

I confess, I have often wondered why you format verses the way you do.

In any case...
Eventually things will be done away with... but some things will remain.
The things that will be done away with...
prophecies, tongues and knowledge. - question: do you think these 3 things have already been done away with?
When does it say these will be done away with? - "when that which is perfect is come". What do you think "that which is perfect" is? Has it already come?

If it is Jesus, He came before 1Corinthians was even written, so why is Paul still waiting for it? In fact Jesus was resurrected and ascended back to Heaven before Paul even got saved.



Many Bible translations say "these three remain". So it seems that even when the first three are done away with, these three will still remain.

My last question here is.... do you think 1Corinthians was written in chronological order? What I am getting at, is that 1Cor 14 was obviously written after 1Cor 13 chronologically.
Chapter 13 says these 3 things will be done away with... ( eventually - when the perfect comes )... but then chapter 14 goes to talk about these 3 things still happening in the church.
Why would Paul need to keep talking about the way these things should be used or done, if they were done away with back in chapter 13?

Hello @B-A-C.,

Thank you for kindly responding to my post. I wanted to format it in such a way that each individual section would be looked at, thought about, and appreciated. So often we fail to see the detail among the many words I find, and each word is vital, each word is of the Lord and precious, I believe.

In answer to your questions:-
* During the time covered by the book of the acts of the Apostles, and before the nation of Israel finally failed to acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King, both in the land itself (during the gospels under the ministry of the Lord), and in the diaspora under the ministry of the Apostles during that 40 years: then the spiritual gifts, the signs, wonders and miraculous gifts were in operation, for they were confirmatory of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ: a further witness to the power of God, and a confirmation of their Apostleship under the ministry of the twelve and others. The object being that Israel should be brought to repentance, and Christ return (Acts 3:18-21) . Israel then would have taken up their Divinely appointed role as Priests unto God among the nations.

* The earlier epistles of Paul, 1 & 2 Corinthians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, Galatians, Romans and Hebrews, were written during this period, and so they contain accounts of the miracles which took place, and speak of the spiritual gifts that accompanied the ministry of the Apostles during that time.

* I believe that 'The Perfect Man' is in the process of development (Ephesians 4:13): being the Church which is the Body of Christ, of which Christ is the Head. It is still being called out during this period. The later writings of Paul containing all that we can know about it (Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 21 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon), for until it was Divinely revealed to Paul, it was 'hid in God' (Ephesians 3:9) and not the subject of either the O.T. prophets, the gospels, Paul's earlier epistles, or the general epistles written by others. Romans 5:12-8:39 being it's foundational truth.

'Till we all come in the unity of the faith,
and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
unto a perfect man,
unto the measure of the stature
of the fulness of Christ:
(Eph 4:13)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[complete]

There is a lot of debate about the apostles these days. It's funny almost everyone agrees there are still prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. But quite a few people disagree there are still any apostles.
There are 15 people identified as apostles in the Bible. Paul was not the last one called an Apostle. Barnabas was. Also there were a number of people who did signs and miracles (Stephen for example) who
are never called apostles in the Bible.

I dont want to get into a debate about current age apostles (the truth is, I don't know - so no sense debating). But I will debate people besides the "eleven" or "twelve" or "fifteen" doing signs and miracles in the New Testament.

I agree, @B-A-C.

There were many apostles spoken of in the New Testament, other than Paul, I can't think of them offhand now, but yes, there were several others named. Yet I do not believe there are Apostles today. We have God's Word written now in the form of the Bible, which contains all the Divine revelation that the Apostles were chosen to deliver concerning The Living Word, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[B-A-C]

The earlier epistles of Paul, 1 & 2 Corinthians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, Galatians, Romans and Hebrews, were written during this period,

There is no evidence I know of, that Paul wrote Hebrews. He could have, he had the credentials, but no where is it stated in the Bible.

The letters of Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon were written from prison, so they would be considered the later books I agree.
It is interesting to note that when Paul wrote the book of Romans, he had not yet been to Rome.

and in the diaspora under the ministry of the Apostles during that 40 years: then the spiritual gifts, the signs, wonders and miraculous gifts were in operation, for they were confirmatory of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ:

"the diaspora"? 11 of the apostles, ( Peter and James specifically ) were assigned to the Jews. Only Paul and Barnabas were specifically assigned to the Gentiles.
But why only 40 years? Where did that number come from? What changed after 40 years?

As far as Israel breaking up as a nation, almost all Israel History scholars would say this happened sometime between 700 and 900 AD.

History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel ‑ Facts, History & Conflicts | HISTORY

Israel is small country in the Middle East, located on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea and bordered by Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. The nation of Israel—with a population of more than 9 million people, most of them Jewish—has many important archaeological and religious sites...

www.history.com

Indeed there hundreds of government correspondence records from Jewish heads of state and other countries as late as 1000 AD.
The idea that Israel quit being a nation in 70AD is historically absurd.

https://embassies.gov.il/UnGeneva/AboutIsrael/history/Pages/History-Israel-Timeline.aspx

There is an attempt by the liberal governments of the world to re-write history and say the Palestinians owned that land since 70 AD or so.
But there is far too many conflicting sources to give that any credibility.

 

[Waggles]

Paul writing to the Spirit-filled Pentecostal congregation in Corinth

1Cor 13:9 For we know in part, and prophesy in part;
10 but when the perfect is come, what is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, thought as a child, reasoned as a child: when I became a man, I put away the things of the child.
12 For now we see by a mirror darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known.

1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet manifested what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is.

 

[complete]

There is no evidence I know of, that Paul wrote Hebrews. He could have, he had the credentials, but no where is it stated in the Bible.

The letters of Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon were written from prison, so they would be considered the later books I agree.
It is interesting to note that when Paul wrote the book of Romans, he had not yet been to Rome.



"the diaspora"? 11 of the apostles, ( Peter and James specifically ) were assigned to the Jews. Only Paul and Barnabas were specifically assigned to the Gentiles.
But why only 40 years? Where did that number come from? What changed after 40 years?

As far as Israel breaking up as a nation, almost all Israel History scholars would say this happened sometime between 700 and 900 AD.

History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel ‑ Facts, History & Conflicts | HISTORY

Israel is small country in the Middle East, located on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea and bordered by Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. The nation of Israel—with a population of more than 9 million people, most of them Jewish—has many important archaeological and religious sites...

www.history.com

Indeed there hundreds of government correspondence records from Jewish heads of state and other countries as late as 1000 AD.
The idea that Israel quit being a nation in 70AD is historically absurd.

https://embassies.gov.il/UnGeneva/AboutIsrael/history/Pages/History-Israel-Timeline.aspx

There is an attempt by the liberal governments of the world to re-write history and say the Palestinians owned that land since 70 AD or so.
But there is far too many conflicting sources to give that any credibility.

Hello @B-A-C,

Thank you for expressing your thoughts on these things. Regarding the things you called into question or commented upon:-

Firstly, here are evidential references to the fact that the epistles I referenced were written by Paul, from prison at Rome: except for 1 Timothy, which was written at an earlier imprisonment, I believe:-

Ephesians 4:1 - 'I therefore the prisoner of the Lord '
Ephesians 6:20 - 'I am an ambassador in bonds'
Phiippians 1:13-14 - ' my bonds '
Colossians 4:10 - ' my fellow prisoner '
Colossians 4:18 - ' remember my bonds '
2 Timothy 1:16-17 - ' not ashamed of my chain '
2 Timothy 2:9 - ' even unto bonds '
Titus 3:13 - ' Zenas the lawyer '
Philemon 1:9-10 - ' prisoner' ' bonds '
Philemon 1:23 - ' fellow prisoner '

* In regard to the authorship of Hebrews, I personally believe it to have been written by Paul, for the thoughts and reasonings are Paul's. Peter, in 1 Peter 3:15-16 refers to a letter having been written, and I believe that the letter to the Hebrews was that letter. Paul had great heaviness of heart for his fellow countrymen, and when on his missionary journeys he always went to the Jew first, at the local synagogue, reasoning with them concerning the person and work of Christ in the Old Testament Scriptures, then to the Gentiles. The Jew was always first during that Acts period (Romans 1:16). They had a prior position, for salvation was of the Jew (John 4:22) until Acts 28:28, when salvation was sent to the Gentiles, and the curse of Isaiah 6:9-10 was pronounced by Paul, following which the Chief Leaders of the Jews at Rome departed in unbelief.

* The diaspora are the Jews of the dispersion among the nations.

* The 40 years (approx.) of the Acts period, is substantiated, by Dr Floyd Nolen Jones, who researched and wrote 'The Chronology of the Old Testament'. For :-
In 30AD - The crucifixion, resurrection and ascension of our Lord took place.
In 32AD - Paul was converted.
In 41AD - Cornelius was converted
In 59AD - Paul before Felix,
In 62AD - Paul's first arrival in Rome
In 64AD - Nero began persecuting Christians
In 67AD - Paul and Peter both martyred.
In 70AD - Titus destroyed Jerusalem.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[complete]

Paul writing to the Spirit-filled Pentecostal congregation in Corinth

1Cor 13:9 For we know in part, and prophesy in part;
10 but when the perfect is come, what is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, thought as a child, reasoned as a child: when I became a man, I put away the things of the child.
12 For now we see by a mirror darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known.

1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet manifested what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is.

'I say then, Have they (Israel) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid:
but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles,
for to provoke them to jealousy.
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world,
and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles;
how much more their fulness?
For I speak to you Gentiles,
inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles,
I magnify mine office:
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh,
and might save some of them.
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world,
what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy:
and if the root be holy, so are the branches.'
(Rom 11:11-16)

Hello @Waggles,

Thank you for your input. Yes, the gifts of the spirit, were in evidence during that period, in both the Jewish converts and later among the believing Gentiles at the conversion of Cornelius, who were grafted into the Olive Tree of Israel, and received of the millennial blessing promised, in order to make Israel jealous and seek to emulate them.

All through the book of Acts, and in the epistles written by Paul during that period, spiritual gifts were in evidence, but not in the later epistles, when the mystery of the church which is the Body of Christ it's Head, was revealed and made known by Paul after Acts 28, when the nation of Israel had departed into the blindness of unbelief, and were scattered among the nations.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Waggles]

spiritual gifts were in evidence, but not in the later epistles,

The later epistles were still written to the one and only Pentecostal faith and church wherein ALL disciples were baptized in water and in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of praying in a new tongue.
Additionally, the body of Christ ALSO enjoyed the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed to the saints for the edification and exhortation of the saints.
Pentecostal church meetings ALSO conducted the operation of the three voice gifts as part of their communion meetings decently and in order as commanded by Paul to the unruly Corinthians.
ALL of the NT is written of and to the one gospel, one faith, one baptism, one way of discipleship and doctrine - the Spirit-filled ekklesia - Pentecostal church.
There were as yet no other alternatives.
The falling away from the gospel and the rise of the church of Rome had not as yet happened.

 

[complete]

The later epistles were still written to the one and only Pentecostal faith and church wherein ALL disciples were baptized in water and in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of praying in a new tongue.
Additionally, the body of Christ ALSO enjoyed the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed to the saints for the edification and exhortation of the saints.
Pentecostal church meetings ALSO conducted the operation of the three voice gifts as part of their communion meetings decently and in order as commanded by Paul to the unruly Corinthians.
ALL of the NT is written of and to the one gospel, one faith, one baptism, one way of discipleship and doctrine - the Spirit-filled ekklesia - Pentecostal church.
There were as yet no other alternatives.
The falling away from the gospel and the rise of the church of Rome had not as yet happened.

'For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty;
only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh,
but by love serve one another.
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this;
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But if ye bite and devour one another,
take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.'
(Gal 5:13-15)

Hello @Waggles,

The atmosphere between us must always be one of love, mustn't it? and though we differ doctrinally, before God we stand: and He who knows all things, will be the arbiter between us. The unity of the Spirit must be maintained, and His person never grieved by unkindness.

So brother, I thank you for your sharing, and pray that God's perfect will, will be done, both in and through us, and His Truth revealed: for His Name and glory's sake, Amen.

In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified,
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

'If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
.. but have not love,
.... I am become sounding brass,
...... or a clanging cymbal.
And if I have the gift of prophecy,
.. and know all mysteries
.... and all knowledge;
...... and if I have all faith,
........ so as to remove mountains,
.......... but have not love,
............ I am nothing.
And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor,
.. and if I give my body to be burned,
.... but have not love,
...... it profiteth me nothing.
Love suffereth long, and is kind;
love envieth not;
love vaunteth not itself,
.. is not puffed up,
.... doth not behave itself unseemly,
...... seeketh not its own,
........ is not provoked,
.......... taketh not account of evil;
............ rejoiceth not in unrighteousness,
.............. but rejoiceth with the truth;
................ beareth all things,
.................. believeth all things,
.................... hopeth all things,
...................... endureth all things.
........................ Love never faileth:
but whether there be prophecies, - they shall be done away;
.. whether there be tongues, - they shall cease;
.... whether there be knowledge, - it shall be done away.
...... For we know in part,
........ and we prophesy in part;
.......... but when that which is perfect is come,
............ that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child,
.. I spake as a child,
.... I felt as a child,
...... I thought as a child:
........ now that I am become a man,
.......... I have put away childish things.
For now we see in a mirror, darkly; -
.. but then face to face:
.... now I know in part;
...... but then shall I know fully
........ even as also I was fully known.
But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three;
and the greatest of these is love.'
(1 Corinthians 13:1-13) ASV

This. Keep in mind that "love" is THE most abused word in English language. It's being corrupted day by day in Mystery Babylon. You want to know what love really is, this is it, the one and only definition of agape love as God intended.

 

[complete]

'Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, (G26 - Agape)
I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.'
(1 Cor. 13:1)

'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:29-32)

* Bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, evil speaking and malice, all grieve the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

'I say then, Have they (Israel) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid:
but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles,
for to provoke them to jealousy.
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world,
and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles;
how much more their fulness?
For I speak to you Gentiles,
inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles,
I magnify mine office:
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh,
and might save some of them.
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world,
what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy:
and if the root be holy, so are the branches.'
(Rom 11:11-16)

Hello @Waggles,

Thank you for your input. Yes, the gifts of the spirit, were in evidence during that period, in both the Jewish converts and later among the believing Gentiles at the conversion of Cornelius, who were grafted into the Olive Tree of Israel, and received of the millennial blessing promised, in order to make Israel jealous and seek to emulate them.

All through the book of Acts, and in the epistles written by Paul during that period, spiritual gifts were in evidence, but not in the later epistles, when the mystery of the church which is the Body of Christ it's Head, was revealed and made known by Paul after Acts 28, when the nation of Israel had departed into the blindness of unbelief, and were scattered among the nations.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris

Doesn't the gift of the spirit differ from person to person? It's not limited in speaking in a foreign language and/or speaking in public. Every person is endowed with their own unique gift, which ought to be MULTIPLIED - "Be fruitful and multiply." There's a principle applied on this gift - use it or lose it, and that's what "Matthew Effect" really means - "he who has will have more, he who doesn't have, the little he has will be taken away."

 

[B-A-C]

In 70AD - Titus destroyed Jerusalem.

Yes but, Jerusalem does not equal Israel.

 

[complete]

Yes but, Jerusalem does not equal Israel.

Hello @B-A-C,

I thank you for riveting my mind onto what happened in 70AD, for I need to investigate that further. Yet, it does not interfere with the fact that Israel became Lo-ammi ('not My People') at the end of the Acts period. The nation is blinded and salvation is sent to the Gentiles.

* In the book of Judges we have a record of the occasions when Israel became Lo-ammi, and went into a period of servitude, because they did what was evil in God's sight. The first one recorded there is in Judges chapter 3:-

'And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD,​

and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves.​

Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel,​

and He sold them into the hand of Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia:​

and the children of Israel served Chushanrishathaim eight years.'​

(Judges 3:7-8)​

* When Israel is Loammi, time is not counted prophetically.
* The book of Hosea, as you will know, tells us of Israel's restoration.

'For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,​

lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;​

that blindness in part is happened to Israel,​

until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.​

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,​

There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer,​

and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:​

For this is My covenant unto them,​

when I shall take away their sins.'​

(Rom 11:25-27)​

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[complete]

Doesn't the gift of the spirit differ from person to person? It's not limited in speaking in a foreign language and/or speaking in public. Every person is endowed with their own unique gift, which ought to be MULTIPLIED - "Be fruitful and multiply." There's a principle applied on this gift - use it or lose it, and that's what "Matthew Effect" really means - "he who has will have more, he who doesn't have, the little he has will be taken away."

Hello @Jonathan_Gale:

'And now abideth faith, hope, charity (Love - Gr. agape), these three;
but the greatest of these is charity.'
(1 Cor. 13:13)

* These are very much in evidence.
* I know nothing of the 'Matthew Effect' you refer to, so must leave it there.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Hello @Jonathan_Gale:

'And now abideth faith, hope, charity (Love - Gr. agape), these three;
but the greatest of these is charity.'
(1 Cor. 13:13)

* These are very much in evidence.
* I know nothing of the 'Matthew Effect' you refer to, so must leave it there.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Matthew Effect is referring to the quote, "he who has will have more, he who doesn't have, the little he has will be taken away." This is often erroneously applies in finances, that the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer, but Yeshua was teaching about spiritual gift.

 

[Butch5]

Hi @complete , what are you wanting to discuss with these passages?