200 Churches sue to leave liberal United Methodist.

[StewardoftheMystery]

Nearly 200 churches sue to leave liberal United Methodist body and keep property amid split over sexuality

Around 200 United Methodist churches in Georgia lodged a legal complaint against their regional UMC body last week after being forbidden from disassociating themselves.

www.foxnews.com

From the article….

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More than 2,000 U.S. churches have disaffiliated from the UMC since 2019, when the UMC General Conference voted 438-384 to uphold the church’s ban on ordaining LGBTQ clergy and officiating at or hosting same-sex marriages.

Many of the conservative congregations that have sought to break off claim the vote was simply disregarded by liberal UMC leaders who chose to commission gay clergy and officiate same-sex weddings anyway, according traditionalist members of the Methodist clergy who spoke to Fox News Digital last June.” (End quote)

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 

[PloughBoy]

Nearly 200 churches sue to leave liberal United Methodist body and keep property amid split over sexuality

Around 200 United Methodist churches in Georgia lodged a legal complaint against their regional UMC body last week after being forbidden from disassociating themselves.

www.foxnews.com

From the article….

“
More than 2,000 U.S. churches have disaffiliated from the UMC since 2019, when the UMC General Conference voted 438-384 to uphold the church’s ban on ordaining LGBTQ clergy and officiating at or hosting same-sex marriages.

Many of the conservative congregations that have sought to break off claim the vote was simply disregarded by liberal UMC leaders who chose to commission gay clergy and officiate same-sex weddings anyway, according traditionalist members of the Methodist clergy who spoke to Fox News Digital last June.” (End quote)

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

They cannot win, "LGBTQ" and the Women Movement of The Institutionalize Methodist Organizations., this movement was not done in the dark and just fared up yesterday. This started many years ago, Now it has blossom into full Bloom. "for the wages of sin is Death' Death has Finally arrived to "The Original Methodist Calvinistic George Whitfield, John Wesley Institutionalize Movement.

It only Takes a Little Leaven, to Leaven "The Whole Lump". And The Lump was Leaven the Day "John Westly" took full control. And went Galloping, evangelizing across country side with the "filly' in his saddle with him. While his wife was at home.

Not only am I a "Gifted Biblical Reader" but also a Lover of Biblical and Denominational Related History and those who started up main stream, major christian Denominations. and Know about their organizing Leaders and their private lives. It was a joy and thrill, to even know about "Nero's" mother and His Step Father and His Uncle. It was a Privilege and joy, to be motivated to do so. May I say, "Gifted by The Parakletos of The LIVING GOD" what excites others do not excite me. What excites me do not excite many. and "we" do know this: That we are a "STRANGE" group of People! and traveling through a "STRANGE LAND" And we know, This place, called Earth, is Not Our Home.d Our Citizenship is not here and these are not our people.


King James Bible
"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

The Whole World is a Dark Place. And he has Called us Out, So let the world have their world. And If Christianity belongs to the World Let them have it! if they want the "Methodist denomination" let them have it! let them have have every penny, every book, every house, every building, let them Have it! Have you forsaken All!

Have you counted THE COSTS for following "JESUS"
King James Bible
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
New King James Version
So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.
American Standard Version
So therefore whosoever he be of you that renounceth not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

New King James Version
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

American Standard Version
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.


Genesis 19:17
As soon as the men had brought them out, one of them said, "Run for your lives! Do not look back, and do not stop anywhere on the plain! Flee to the
mountains, or you will be swept away!"

King James Bible
But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

"Separating The Sheep from The Goats"

The day will come, "Your Faith will be Tried" you will be tested. "HAVE You forsaken ALL" houses and lands, denominations and churches? For it is "GOD ALONE" "CHRIST ALONE"


The five solas state that Christians are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed by Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone.Jul 1, 2021

 

[B-A-C]

United Methodists Lose 1,800 Churches in Split Over LGBT Stance

The initial departures, mostly concentrated in the South, represent around 6 percent of the denomination—not as dramatic as the “schism” some feared.

www.christianitytoday.com

 

[PloughBoy]

6% out of 100% is a very small number in the USA. and The USA is a "DEMOCRACY" and The Majority Rules.

"Disaffiliation is the process by which churches that can no longer spiritually, theologically or structurally continue to reside within the greater United Methodist Church connection." Powered by "Google" "DISAFFILIATION"

The WORDS of JESUS and He cannot lie.

A House Divided Mark 3 BSB
…24If a kingdom is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, it CANNOT STAND. 26And if Satan is divided and rises against himself, he cannot stand; his end has come.

On level 1 it cannot stand, level 2 it cannot stand and on level 3 it cannot stand. The ship is going down. you cannot save it.

"The TRUTH" not a truth "THE TRUTH" "It CANNOT STAND" it has not "THE ABILITY"

This World is a mess!

 

[watertolive]

Lord don't they know...it is an abomination to the Lord to marry same sex? Lord, don't they know?
No! they don't know because the church has laid down on preaching the truth and had rather appease men; rather than God.
Lord, don't they know that the wrath of God comes upon this wicked and perverse generation?

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[B-A-C]

Lord don't they know...it is an abomination to the Lord to marry same sex? Lord, don't they know?

The Methodist Split | How translations of text divided a religion

The Methodist church is splitting into "United Methodist" and "Global Methodist."

www.wbir.com

"We believe it's not possible to interpret it [the Bible] literally or to live it literally," Barnette said. "There are too many translations that have happened and too many edits. "

So then, how do you know which parts to leave in, and which parts to take out? If I like it, it stays in. If I don't like it, let's remove it.
If you make your own rules, isn't that making yourself God? Or at least turning God into your idol, not the God of the ( unreliable ) Bible.

2Tim 4:3; For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

 

[PloughBoy]

The Methodist Split | How translations of text divided a religion

The Methodist church is splitting into "United Methodist" and "Global Methodist."

www.wbir.com

So then, how do you know which parts to leave in, and which parts to take out? If I like it, it stays in. If I don't like it, let's remove it.
If you make your own rules, isn't that making yourself God? Or at least turning God into your idol, not the God of the ( unreliable ) Bible.

2Tim 4:3; For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

The Parakletos


Grammatical gender

However, when the Holy Spirit is referred to by the grammatically masculine word Parakletos "counselor", the pronoun is masculine (since the pronoun refers to Parakletos rather than pneuma), as in John 16:7-8.
He is never with you today, and then gone tomorrow. for The LORD is not a LIAR.

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever--
John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.

He will never leave you alone , never and he will never lead you into traps and lies But men and women and churches will!

TRUST no man!

Psalm 146
New International Version
Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save.

For we need a "SAVIOR" that can Save everyday, every hour, every moment and every right now. one, who we do not have to call on a "PHONE"! I need him NOW, before I call HIS NAME! I need HIM before I cry out for Help, I need Him before I pray and tell HIM what I want! I need Him before I know I need help, I need Him!

I am almost 72 years of age, and was "Born of GOD" in 1977, I know what I am talking about! "Through many of Dangerous Toils and snares I have already Come"

YES he is Our GOD!


English Standard Version
Before they call I will answer; while they are yet speaking I will hear.!!!

 

[PloughBoy]

You are not To "LORD" over one another! No Religious RULERS!

24And after hearing this, the other ten disciples became indignant with the two brothers. 25But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles domineer over them, and [o]those in high position exercise authority over them. 26It [p]is not this way among you, but whoeverwants to become [q]prominent among you shall be your servant, 27And Whoever Desires To Be Firstamong You Shall Be Your Slave; 28Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His [r]life as a ransom for many.”

The Slave and The servant of The LORD are not to Rule like "kings and princes and queens and Princesses" you are not to "LORD" over The Flock of GOD! d

GOD is not Blind! and he does not Play "Three Card Monte" and Sheep are intelligent Creatures.

Contrary to popular misconception, sheep are extremely intelligent animals capable of problem solving. They are considered to have a similar IQ level to cattle and are nearly as clever as pigs. Like various other species including humans, sheep make different vocalizations to communicate different emotions. { For those Pastors and Ministers and preacher who label Sheep, as Dumb animals and have to be led.} Back room drama.

I miss that one: "nearly as clever as pigs" So make sure, you do cast your Pearls.

You must give your life as a Living Sacrifice.

 

[watertolive]

They do not know because they have not been taught.
In the beginning God created male and female.
God had Noah put animals, male and female, on the boat.
Why?
for the purpose of/to repopulate/ not reprobate.

But who will go tell them?

You must give your life as a Living Sacrifice...!!!
Who of us, will go tell them?
One must go out to them...

Forsaking ALL, your life included, pick up your cross and follow me.

Stephen did it. So I know it can be done.
God ask me to do it; and you...

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[PloughBoy]

They do not know because they have not been taught.
In the beginning God created male and female.
God had Noah put animals, male and female, on the boat.
Why?
for the purpose of/to repopulate/ not reprobate.

But who will go tell them?

You must give your life as a Living Sacrifice...!!!
Who of us, will go tell them?
One must go out to them...

Forsaking ALL, your life included, pick up your cross and follow me.

Stephen did it. So I know it can be done.
God ask me to do it; and you...

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

yes, most people think that "GOD" made "sex' for enjoyment, well he didn't he created The flavor of sex for "Repopulate" not for enjoyment.
and it is conditional the God given benefits for men and women who are married. That is the benefits for taking so much stuff from one another to "repopulate". it is a reward for doing as he commanded. Stay married to the same person all you life has benefits Take the drama get the Blessing!

 

[watertolive]

yes, most people think that "GOD" made "sex' for enjoyment, well he didn't he created The flavor of sex for "Repopulate" not for enjoyment.
and it is conditional the God given benefits for men and women who are married. That is the benefits for taking so much stuff from one another to "repopulate". it is a reward for doing as he commanded. Stay married to the same person all you life has benefits Take the drama get the Blessing!

yes i know; now look...
I can not say for myself about the blessings of being with someone along time; for I have not.
Always wanted that, but wasn't meant to be; for that, was not love.
So, I have been the woman at the well, a good portion of this life, all for the sake of love; never found it, in this world.
Now... I KNOW Love; and, praise God, Love knows me.
And the only way for me to be where He is...is to pick up my cross and follow Him.

Now, I heard a preacher yell at the single women in the congregation about getting married.
Oh vain man, do you not know...?
A single woman seeks to please her Lord, and Him only.
Oh how I wish I had known then, all the things I know now!

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Godbehonored]

This is just God revealing the fruits of a tree. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit, said Jesus.

I remember posting somewhere that the RCC is mystery babylon of Revelation. That we are to come out of organized Christianity. I used to get wierd looks from "Christians" when I talk about it in person.

But the fruits are starting to show now.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

I remember posting somewhere that the RCC is mystery babylon of Revelation. That we are to come out of organized Christianity. I used to get wierd looks from "Christians" when I talk about it in person.

But the fruits are starting to show now.

The harlot in the Revelation is not limited to the RCC, but all who have left their first love in God and Christ and went and played the harlot by taking up the beliefs, traditions, and the false doctrines of the nations of the world.

But also mystery Babylon speaks to those who also played the harlot by coveting the false idols of the world, mainly the love of money and materialism.

This is why when Babylon falls in the Revelation, the wealth of the world also falls, the cities of the nations fall, and all the merchants of the earth weep and wail at the fall of the false idol system.

Remember covetousness is idolatry.

 

[watertolive]

The harlot in the Revelation is not limited to the RCC, but all who have left their first love in God and Christ and went and played the harlot by taking up the beliefs, traditions, and the false doctrines of the nations of the world.

But also mystery Babylon speaks to those who also played the harlot by coveting the false idols of the world, mainly the love of money and materialism.

This is why when Babylon falls in the Revelation, the wealth of the world also falls, the cities of the nations fall, and all the merchants of the earth weep and wail at the fall of the false idol system.

Remember covetousness is idolatry.

and witnessing the start of the great collapse of the world's system as more banks shut down.
the rise of homosexuals and drag queen shows offered to our children.
as more people lay down their bibles because of persecution; they have not been properly trained. The blind leads the blind.
and all out WWIII is on the brink of the horizon.
and I say;
All power and glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

and witnessing the start of the great collapse of the world's system as more banks shut down.
the rise of homosexuals and drag queen shows offered to our children.
as more people lay down their bibles because of persecution; they have not been properly trained. The blind leads the blind.
and all out WWIII is on the brink of the horizon.
and I say;
All power and glory and honor be unto God. Amen

When the sixth seal is broken, which I believe is coming very soon. I believe there is going to be a great economic downfall. This is when the strongholds of the earth shall fall, like figs when they are shaken by a mighty wind.

The sixth seal also marks the fullness of the Gentile period, which shall be marked by the signs in the sun, moon, and stars as Jesus said.

This 6th seal will also precede the pouring out of God’s wrath upon a wicked world.

The grapes of wrath are getting ripe, so people need to repent of their sins and seek the Lord if they have not done so already.

Also a all out war against the saints is coming, and Israel is to be attacked by the Nations of the world.

When you see the Nations of the world gathered together against Israel, then you will know the time is very near for the Deliverer to come out of Zion.

Be sober minded, and watch!

 

[watertolive]

When the sixth seal is broken, which I believe is coming very soon. I believe there is going to be a great economic downfall. This is when the strongholds of the earth shall fall, like figs when they are shaken by a mighty wind.

The sixth seal also marks the fullness of the Gentile period, which shall be marked by the signs in the sun, moon, and stars as Jesus said.

This 6th seal will also precede the pouring out of God’s wrath upon a wicked world.

The grapes of wrath are getting ripe, so people need to repent of their sins and seek the Lord if they have not done so already.

Also a all out war against the saints is coming, and Israel is to be attacked by the Nations of the world.

When you see the Nations of the world gathered together against Israel, then you will know the time is very near for the Deliverer to come out of Zion.

Be sober minded, and watch!

yes, and Jesus is coming back when the fullness of the gentiles is fulfilled

 

[B-A-C]

yes, and Jesus is coming back when the fullness of the gentiles is fulfilled

Well maybe, but it would be more correct to say "Israel will be saved, when the fullness of Gentiles happens".

Rom 11:25; For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
Rom 11:26; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."

I believe Jesus is coming back, but I'm not sure that verse has a lot to do with it.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

yes, and Jesus is coming back when the fullness of the gentiles is fulfilled

It will be shortly thereafter, at the last trump at the last day.

Here is prophecy of the Deliverer first coming ….

Daniel 12:1-2

King James Version

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12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”

So the timing above is in connection with the ressurection of the dead in Christ rising first, which Jesus said would not happen until the last day.

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the lastday.
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

So there is no pre trib rapture which some falsely teach. Also at the ressurection at the last day, all God’s saints and angels shall be gathered together in One body at that time.

Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

It is also written, when Christ comes, he comes with ALL His saints. The only way this is possible is if ALL His saints are first caught up to meet Him in the air, as is also written.

Psalm 149:9
To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the Lord.

Zechariah 14:5
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

1 Thessalonians 3:13
To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
All are first gathered with the Lord in the air…
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So I believe the fullness of the Gentiles happens at the 6th seal, but the ressurection of the saints does not happen until the last trump at the last day.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Here is a thread I wrote on the signs preceding the coming of the Lord, and scriptures concerning ungodliness being removed from Jacob prior to the Lords coming.

The sign of the Son of man

Jesus said in Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” This event is also spoken of here in Revelation 1:7 Behold, he...

www.talkjesus.com

 

[PloughBoy]

Modern day churches have taught the ways of the church and men and Not The WAY of GOD for those who are to marry. For many years and they have destroyed many families and marriages before they had begin with the foundations of lies, For the Body of Christ .before the Families had a chance to begin. and the church goal was to destroy instead of Built into the ways of God. And have not Taught that , stay away and do not mix with " people who are Not "BORN OF GOD" if they are only church member run for your life. Do not mix with the unregenerate but the church has open the gate that The Goats have enter the pen and contaminated the FLOCK "How can TWO Walk together and they are not in agreement" A person who have not Been "BORN of GOD" can Not be in a agreement with a religious person it is impossible, just because they are in membership of the same church does not meet the requirement of GOD. But how can a devil be in a agreement with a Saint How can "A SHEEP be in and agreement with a GOAT" Saint if you do, you have become friends with the world and whosoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of GOD" And if the Your Church have let "GOATS in the Pen" That church have set you up to fall and surrounded you with "TEMPTATION" Leading you into! and every child you have both girl and boy!
Your children will become "Homosexuals" fornicators, liars, truth breakers and all kinds of The unGodly and singing the songs Zions.
Because God said if you do, she will turn your sons against you and Me! and you can count on a home that will produce, "Adultery, divorce, fights, killings, jails, anger with no help from GOD because you are have ignore Him, and defile yourself and we all know you have sinned and "The Wages of Sin is DEATH" and Sin breeds more sins means more deaths. But the devil told Eve not so. Once divorce then more sins, then another divorce then another, after the death of a marriage more sins "fornicating" then death, then another "fornicating' then death.then another marriage then death, now the disease has separated among your children multiplying one death after another then grandchildren, nothing but a producer breeders nothing but death. in the body of Christ and everywhere you go contaminating everyone you come near. and still consider our selves holy in theses of Our GOD.
Notice I did not say anyone has lost their "True Salvation" but a horrible like many have lead, Horrible and we will feel the pain, beyond the humans imagination, yes there will be a penalty. but not a ;lost of true salvation. and it will hurt.

LORD they Have abandon the "TRUTH" they have ignored your "WORD"

They set down right beside these peoples and they eat with them and they invited them into their Homes and they held hands in the church and sing along with them and claim they are clean and they have the nerve to call you "LORD" they lie, they do not obey as if you are Their "LORD" they do nothing you have commanded. it is understandable if one is stuck, but a lot of them "fellowship by choice with those peoples"
Children of Light Ephesians 5 BSB
…10Test and prove what pleases the Lord. 11Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.…

John 3:20
Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

Romans 13:12
The night is nearly over; the day has drawn near. So let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.

1 Corinthians 5:9
I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness?


The Bible said nothing about failing in love then getting married , GOD has said no such thing. Adam did not choose His wife, Abraham did not choose His Wife, Jacob did not know or choose his wife, Isaac did not choose his wife, King David did not choose Mikah, King Ahasuerus did not choose his wife,, Joesph did not choose Mary his wife.

Just because a person is a church member and have Been baptized and been there for over 10 years and is the Sunday School teacher or Sunday school Superintendent A choir member and sing like "Florence Nightingale" or pray like a :Augustinian Monk" or the leader of a The Children Church and the pastor give these people praises every week and honor them in their church programs do not believe them. and do trust your own understanding\. I have seen and experience a lot in my over almost 50 years being in "The Body of CHRIST" been tricked, deceived even when I knew better but trusted in the church and Pastors and GOD had warn me they are Lying to YOU! " I told you "THE TRUTH" but They TOLD YOU LIES! Oh yes I cried many times. Because He told me the TRUTH: and I could not believe the church was such, Meaning "The Whole Institutional" Church, system. and it all is a part of His plan. and when LORD comes Back all will see "BABYLON GREAT"

Titus 2 KJV age women he did not say church women, Love is taught after Marriage! and what is love is taught after marriage. women do not know how to love their husband of children. and The devil who says other wise is a liar. and He have deceived the whole world.
3The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

The institutional church teaches only but The doctrine of men and not the things proclaim by GOD. history backs this "TRUTH" up. and church people love it this way the teaching of men as if it is the Doctrine of GOD. God's word does not lie.