2012

[Pocahontas]

Dear Everyone,
Basically I am writing this post out of annoyance (Forgive me). I have a friend, who always talks about Doomsday 2012. He says that on December 21st 2012, the Mayans calender ends, and the world will end. Basically he thinks like those movies, that diseases will overcome mankind, and turn us into zombie or cannibals or something...I don't know, I listen to it, and I say: "When God decides it is time, He will let us know." I think my friend watches too many of those Doomsday movies, and watches too much Discovery Channel. Needless to say I never like to talk about it with him, for it bothers me that he really thinks this is going to happen in a couple years. What does everyone think? Like I said before, I don't think anyone can really tell when the world will end. ANYONE can make predictions, and theorize about things. I could even predict the world would end. But the only true power out there that has the POWER to make the world end is God, Judgment Day. I wish there weren't so many scientists out there making shows about the end of the world, with no element of God, but trying to tell mankind about all these bad things that will happen.
God Bless,
Poca

 

[Janette]

Where is your faith?

Personally, I would be just a little bit surprised if our Lord decided to lend *any* validity to a date handed down by the blood drinking, demon worshipping, human sacrificing "prophets" of the Mayan Empire. I suspect that any calamity that falls on that date will have more driving it from human and/or demonic factions than any Divine influence.

At any rate, the Mayans own legends do not describe the end of the world in any sense that most people would mean it. They have a several thousand year history and they spent a lot of it charting weather patterns and geological patterns and other things. Assuming their system was remotely accurate (which we really can't tell because so much of their records were destroyed or lost), they're most likely just predicting a cyclical earth quake in the area of the main empire (which no longer exists) or something of that nature.

Having said that, let's pretend for a moment that the Rapture is scheduled for Dec 21, 2012.

Why would this bother you?

That would mean nothing but that in just four short years, we'd be home with our departed loved ones, surrounded by the restored and perfected Body of Christ, united forever with our Lord and Savior.

There'd be a bit of tribulation for those who waited till the very last minute to make up their minds about things, but I am *certain* our Lord has good reason to institute such trials upon the remainder of mankind.
The sheep and the goats will be separated.
Every knee will bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
The beast and the false prophet and the great dragon would all be cast into the pit forever.
Evil as a concept and force will simply cease.
Sickness and death would be finally and completely overcome even in the physical world, which would be restored to its pre-fallen state.

How is that...bad?

What does it change about how you live your life if the date is absoluely correct?

Are you not *already* living every day as if RIGHT NOW the Lord God Himself dwells within you?

Is your place in Heaven not already assured by the washing of His blood?

If this is not already the level of your relationship with Jesus - the problem is not with the date.

As Shakespere wrote "The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars...but in ourselves...."

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But let us rather assume (since there is no specific Biblical reason to believe otherwise) that Dec 21, 2012 is just another day.

Again...how is that....bad?

Does the fact that you need to wait a bit longer than four years to go home with the Lord physically change the relationship you may foster with Him RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW?

The Holy Spirit is on....the....Earth!

Is the Kingdom of Heaven *not* "at hand" RIGHT NOW for those who believe and live in the Spirit?

Can *anything* happen to any believer that would tear him or her out of the Lord's hand once he or she is saved? (and if you can't answer this one you need to re-read John 10)

Sister, praise God.
Why do you need to be concerned with dates?
You are saved. You are healed. You are blessed and protected.
You *know* that your commission upon the earth is to share the Good News with as many as you can. Share it by example in how you live your own life, by quotation of the Word of God, and by inspiration as the Holy Spirit directs you from moment to moment.

Whether the "end" (a better word really would be "restoration") of the world is today or a million years from now, God is merciful and just.
He is not going to let anyone just "slip through the cracks" into Hell that would have otherwise followed Him if given but one more moment.
He's just not that kind of God.
Those who can be saved will be saved, but let that not be an excuse for you to be the appendix of the Body of Christ. Be a healthy useful member of the Body and fullfil the Great Commission wherever and whenever you can.

If you *must* debate the end of the world - at least put the debate to good use:

There are a quite a number of pagans who are certain about that four year distant date.

Because so many pagan religions really have no salvation analog to them, they're often hiding a great deal of terror. They are not at all certain what waits for them in the afterlife. Most of them fear simply being reincarnated into another life in a blighted cataclysm struck world. A force called "Karma" dictates that they will live in suffering to pay for their wrongdoings here on earth so far. They expect to live hard lives in a post-Apocolyptic horror story that either plays out in a sci-fi theme or else is full of "old world" demons and magic and so on. Either way...not much fun. They are terribly interested in any information they can get about what those last days will be like. And our Lord gave us Revelations to answer that need.

You don't *really* read Revelations lightly. If you eliminate the idea that it is alligorical the book can scare just about anyone. It is rarely quoted at length from the pulpit because to put it on a movie screen you'd need an NC-17 rating. It's that graphic and terrible.

These pagans *easily* believe in dragons coming up out of the sea to end the world. They have *no difficulty* imagining a curse that lets you live and survive even though all the flesh has burned off your bones and boils seep with pus from every muscle. This is exactly what thier own myths say is possible. When Christianity *agrees* (even in possible allegory) it makes them sit up and take notice.

And when you say "I am so very much looking forward to the Rapture" they will ask if you are mad. Who would want to endure such things?!?

Well...no one sane would want to endure such horror....but....we...the Body of Christ...are exempt. OUR debts -- all our "karma" (if there was such a thing) is already paid. We are taken up with the Lord in Chapter 5 of Revelations and we do not endure the terrible events of the remaining chapters. Our Lord loves us so much He laid down His own holy life for us, spilled His own Divine blood for us and for anyone who will believe and follow Him. Pagans who want nothing to do with Jesus in day to day life are often quite happy to reach for His hand when they see the flood waters start rising around their ankles.

Use that.
Because whether He comes tomorrow or in 2012 or in a thousand years HE IS COMING and we ARE on a deadline.

 

[Chad]

Clearly your friend is not a believer in Jesus Christ and His Word.

I would invite here to learn about Jesus. Have you witnessed to him?

This Scripture verse below is the truth.

Matthew 24:35-37

35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

No One Knows That Day and Hour

36"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Some people (atheists) come here to foolishly try to persuade us that there is no GOD, and all this other junk they believe.

What do I do? I welcome them to look at the sticky threads here and try their best to dispute *any* one of the claims.

Evidence, Prophecy, Facts - Talk Jesus

You can welcome your friend to do the same. He will fail.

 

[rizen1]

That's from the movie "Apocalypto"...

I found the movie interesting, because my sister in-law is mayan. So I got a first hand revelation about her ancestors.

Your friend enjoys talking about dooms day..that's great
Thats the best kind of people to witness to, who cares what date they think it is. All you have to do is say..." Would you be ready ",
''Do you know what's going to happen to your soul after you die "

Personally, I would be just a little bit surprised if our Lord decided to lend *any* validity to a date handed down by the blood drinking, demon worshipping, human sacrificing "prophets" of the Mayan Empire.

These mayans aren't any different to any tribe found around the world, their beliefs were passsed down to them, its all they know...( unless missionaries minister to them )

Just like the " slavery mentality " ( to whip, rape and kill ) was passed down to generations, that it became normal until the illiterate became literate, well some became literate.

Pocahontas this is your opportunity to introduce him to Christ Jesus. The truth is "dooms day '', is a fact and we need to be more concern about if our love ones will be ready.

 

[Pocahontas]

My friend IS or CLAIMS to be about God, but he tends to lean towards things that are NOT God. I have had SO MANY discussions and talks with him about Jesus. I say to him, "Only God decides when it is time." Basically, in the beginning when he started all this talk, I always told myself that God is the only one who can make big things, small things, EVERYTHING happen. My friend tries to fill my head with nonsense and scare me with all this Doomsday talk. I had to step back and really think hard about who controls the end of days. He says he is for God, but sometimes I wonder...he talks about how God blesses him in Everyday life, how he is fortunate through God, everything God...so it bothers me when he talks all these predictions, and End of the World, with cannibals, and rape and torture, and microchips under our skin and such...:shock:
God Bless,
Poca

 

[rizen1]

so it bothers me when he talks all these predictions, and End of the World, with cannibals, and rape and torture, and microchips under our skin and such..

Torture yes, microchips underskin ( already being done ) after september 11, some people went out and had the chip implanted. I've been told the mark of the beast is that chip,.If there is a one world order to come, what best way to monitor all humans on this earth a chip.

All these things is scary ..but we need to put our trust in God and his promises, not men speculations...( both Christians and non christian have their own dooms day stories )

I'm sure your friend heard about the " left behind series '...if not tell him its his kind of movie with the world ending and such.

You can try to get these movies at your library, rentals or buy it online..let him watch it, he needs a bibilcal prospective. Forward the info to him by email..if you don't feel like talking.

Apocalypse (DVD)
End of the Harvest
Image of the Beast
Judgment
Mark IV Prophecy
SIX: The Mark Unleashed
Revelation (DVD)
The Gathering (DVD)
The Moment After , part 1 and part 2
Thief in the Night (DVD)

As for your sanity, some space is needed. Spend some time with God and feel free to ask any questions on the site about the " end times "

 

[Pocahontas]

Torture yes, microchips underskin ( already being done ) after september 11, some people went out and had the chip implanted. I've been told the mark of the beast is that chip,.If there is a one world order to come, what best way to monitor all humans on this earth a chip.

All these things is scary ..but we need to put our trust in God and his promises, not men speculations...( both Christians and non christian have their own dooms day stories )

I'm sure your friend heard about the " left behind series '...if not tell him its his kind of movie with the world ending and such.

You can try to get these movies at your library, rentals or buy it online..let him watch it, he needs a bibilcal prospective. Forward the info to him by email..if you don't feel like talking.

Apocalypse (DVD)
End of the Harvest
Image of the Beast
Judgment
Mark IV Prophecy
SIX: The Mark Unleashed
Revelation (DVD)
The Gathering (DVD)
The Moment After , part 1 and part 2
Thief in the Night (DVD)

As for your sanity, some space is needed. Spend some time with God and feel free to ask any questions on the site about the " end times "

Wow I honestly did not know that people were having microchips put under their skin. I also heard it was to do with the mark of the beast. Hmm, I did not know there were so many movies that were about Judgment Day. I will let him know. I do need some time with God. Thank you,
God Bless,
Poca

 

[Mr. Armenian]

Heyya Pocahontas.


People want to know, but noone does. I liked what Janette said. People are (IMO) romanticizing the finality of it all, because it's exciting, and it's a story. When you hear the trumpets blow - then you know it's time. Other than that, noone (not the Mayans, not Nostradamus, not even the people at the Psychic Friends Network) knows.

 

[Janette]

/facepalm

Maybe he wants you to convince him that things are going to be OK.

Seriously though...Why would a brother in Christ wish you to feel fear?

Fear is a form of doubt:

Think about learning to ride a bike or drive...you were afraid you'd screw up...you *doubted* you could do it right the first time, you probably thought you might get hurt or wreck the car, etc.

When applied to God (or any person for that matter), doubt is a form of distrust:

We are instructed by Scripture to trust in the Lord "with all your heart and all your mind...."

Therefore, distrust of the Lord is a violation of that instruction...a form of disobedience.

Disobeying the Lord is a sin.

So...why does this brother in Christ want you to sin?


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As for the proverbial sign of the Beast...why does no one ever seem to notice that many chapters of Revelations have to happen (including the *overt* appearance of the Beast and the False Prophet) before we even get to people taking the sign?

There's quite a lot of stuff to get through, including the burning away of no less than one third of the earth! I kinda think we'll notice that when it happens. So until it does, don't worry about *anything* you're doing being the sign of the Beast.

 

[Giggles4God]

The information is wrong, yes. This friend is being deceived.

My pastor tells us to not take him at what he says but to be good Bereans. Bereans are people who study for themselves the Bible, the Word of God.

What does the Word of God say?

I believe the mark of the beast hasn't come yet. I believe that we'll know when Jesus comes.

Panic and confusion is the work of satan. Fear and deception are, too.

If your friend, Pocahontas, was truly a believer, would fear grip him?

Sadly, we as a Church are not following the Word of God.

If the chip is being used now, did those giving it...say anything about worshiping the beast? Isn't that what the Bible says? Those who get the mark of the beast will have to worship the beast and deny Jesus. I am not saying get the chip, but I am saying please read the Bible. Don't spread false things. Satan has enough people doing that for him. We as followers of Jesus don't have to run around with our heads cut off doing the biding of satan.

 

[garza33]

I have good friends among all three of the major groups of Maya in Belize, the Kekchi, the Mopan, and the Yucatecan, and they laugh at the idea that resetting the calendar and starting a new era in 2012 will mean the end of the world. They see that idea as something dreamed up by Europeans and North Americans.

This does not mean that restarting the calendar is not important. It is very important, but in a way that is nearly impossible for one not raised in the Mayan tradition to understand. The Mayan calendar is very complex, as are their social and religious beliefs. Even the inter-locking wheels of the calendar round, which look simple enough, have deeper meanings that are difficult for the non-Mayan mind to grasp. Every combination is unique, so every day is unique, a separate creation ruled over by the Lord of the Day, Kinich Ahau, who is transformed nightly by his struggles in the underworld to be made fit to rule that specific day.

While they have added Jesus to their pantheon and while most of them attend church, their real worship is at their altars in the bush where few who are not Maya are welcomed. A youngster who cut my grass for several years told me once that his family has gone to church every Sunday for five hundred years, and they still don't believe it. That's something few will admit, and they will admit it only to those they trust.

Really, I didn't mean to get off on all of that. My entire intent was to post that first sentence at the top, so you can disregard the rest.