A completly new theory,The mark of the beast.

[johnny botwrigh]

A completly new revelation The mark of the beast.

go to the anti christ forum,
the post, who is lucifer, you will see a very good reply, concerning the Nephilim, from the book of Enoch.
Enoch walked with God, though not included in the bible, Enoch mentions this subject in his book. Gaints and demons.

anyone who may also be intrested, go into end time discussion forum
also in prophecytalk.com the post would you be micro chipped.
there is a reply from trace,on the first page, concerning a completly new revelation on the mark of the beast.
its intresting.well worth a look, with a link to a pdf file..
comparing what john actualy wrote, recorded,that could have been, misinterpretated, may not have been the numbers 666 but an arabic phrase. it has now been compared with arabic, greek and hebrew writting, bringing a hole new meaning.

seeing the present situation concerning Iran, Islam, China,
the kings of the East who slay a third of men.
could Jerusalem be the Harlot, the ten heads of the beast, ten Arab nations?

every thing points to JERUSALEM.
johnny

 

[Stephen1]

JB,

I would suggest the following on the subject of the beast and his number:

6-Satan
6-Abaddon-Apollyon
6-A human king of the northern Middle East [Daniel's little horn]

Abaddon-Apollyon is the beast [a fallen angel like Satan] [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 17:8] who rules 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms for satan .... 5 are historical and 2 will exist in succession during the coming tribulation period

Satan will release him from the abyss and will give him his power and authority [Revelation 9:1; 13:1-4]

The little horn will be possessed by Abaddon-Apollyon .... the combination of a fallen angelic and a human

So we are given the beast's name, his number [mark] which constitutes his relationship to Satan and to the human little horn, and it is also the number of the human little horn [the number of a man]

Study Revelation 13:17-18 carefully

 

[johnny botwrigh]

did you take a look ?

Did you take a look at the pdf file i mentioned, concerning what john recorded, now being compared to an arabic phrase.
when compared from the oringinal greek transcript.
you should its worth a look.
johnny

 

[Stephen1]

JB,

I have studied the theory, but don't agree with it .... numerology should be avoided when rendering the scriptures

However, the scriptures do tell of the rise of the beast out of the inhabitants of the Middle East who happen to be adherents of Islam

 

[johnny botwrigh]

where do you get three sixes from?

you wrote 6-satan 6- Abaddon- Apollyon

6- A human king of northen middle east. Daniels little horn.


where is it written that 6 represents each of these?


looking at what John actualy wrote,

i can see why some now feel he actualy wrote, comparring johns oringinal recording in the greek, with arabic writting.

a mulitude in the name of allah

and not the number 666

johnny.

 

[Stephen1]

"where is it written that 6 represents each of these?"

>One has to understand Satan's matrix of himself, Abaddon-Apollyon, and the human little horn .... all three are there in the scriptures

>Angelics are very different that humans and can intertwine with one another .... Satan in Abaddon-Apollyon manifested in the little horn .... a human king with powers never before possessed .... this combination will astound humans when they see him

>This entity will be able to demonstrate that he is supernatural by actions far beyond ordinary human capacity .... he will not be stopped and will succeed in every thing he sets out to do .... until the Lord turns on him and destroys him in the lake of fire

>Abaddon-Apollyon gets his power and authority from Satan and in turn he will possess the little horn .... this manifestation will allow humans to experience him .... to see him

>The mark of Abaddon-Apollyon is his name, or the number of his name .... and the number of a man [the little horn]

>His mark will be 6-6-6 and those who take it will do so willfully in order to identify with him

>One does not need an Arabic translation of the scriptures to understand this

 

[johnny botwrigh]

where do you get three sixes from?

again i dont doubt your interpretation, just where is it in revelation.

you have placed 6 for each of these interpretation,
but where is it written as you describe,

where does it say for instance satan 6
man 6
and so forth.

its also not about understanding arabic to understand scripture,
you have that the wrong way round.

in the pdf file i mention, some early translations wrote 616
some i think it said 615.

what the document explores is did john actualy write an arabic phrase. and not 666

looking at what he wrote, and was recorded, in the early greek manuscript. he may not have written 666
this could have been a misinterpretation. as also 616 & 615
which were also recorded.

he could have infact written the mark of the beast is mulitudes in the name of allah

many in Islam jihad now wearing this, written on arm bands and head ware .

to me its very intresting, to others to. thats why im asking.

where do you find your matrix, where does it say, 6 to be placed here and 6 is to be placed there.

johnny

 

[Stephen1]

"where do you find your matrix, where does it say, 6 to be placed here and 6 is to be placed there."

>One must have a comprehensive overview of the scriptures to understand this .... study your self approved ..... stick to the scriptures [which are not corrupted by the way .... if they were one could not rely upon them for truth]

>Do not run after the whims and extra-biblical rantings of false prophets and false teachers .... these are legion today, and especially on the Internet

>The relationship between Satan [the dragon], Abaddon-Apollyon [the beast], and the human little horn of Daniel's visions is clear in scripture

>6 is the number of imperfection and it ties all three of these entities together .... the workings of Satan [2Thessalonians 2:8-12]

>Have your sources give you evidence of Islamic terrorists with this ID on there personal effects today .... this will not happen until the day of the Lord begins during the tribulation period .... this time frame is still pending

>Satan's beast is still in the abyss at this time and he will not be able to interact with humanity until he is released .... then his name and number will be offered to his followers .... Abaddon-Apollyon .... 6-6-6

 

[johnny botwrigh]

what john wrote, recorded.

if what is stated is true in the pdf file showing the early greek manuscript, showing what John wrote, recorded,
it looks nothing like the numbers 6 6 6

even those translating it, where not to sure, what it actualy meant.

some ended up putting 6 1 6 others 6 1 5

infact as shown what john wrote, recorded looks far more like in the name of allah, in arabic.
than it does the numbers 6 6 6
i still have not found how and where you arive at your valuations concerning numbers, i can not find it written any where in scripture, that 6 represents satan or 5 represents this or that,
im not dismissing any thing, i still cannot figure out how you arrive at this?
your only answer was some one needed a better over view of scripture?
sorry that does not cut it .

its there as mentioned for any one to take a look.
to dissmis and to discredit, seems to be the name of your game.

translating from hebrew to greek, to roman to english, have there been errors in translation?
do you know where all the different translation, came from, and what different books manuscripts, writtings where used as a basis?

let me ask you, who is lucifer ? johnny

 

[Stephen1]

"let me ask you, who is lucifer ?"

>Satan [38:4-7; 1:6-7; Isaiah 14:12 Ezekiel 28:12-18]

>This chief of the fallen angelics is addressed by many names and descriptions in scripture like Ezekiel 38:1; 38:17; Revelation 12:3-4; 12:7-12; 13:4; 20:1-3; 7-10]

 

[johnny botwrigh]

who is lucifer

I post on non christain sites also, this was a reply from

the official website december212012.com

in the forums under the forum tittled world events leading up to 2012

this was a reply from Maverick 163 to my post

will there be blood shed between april 19th and may the 1st illuminati.

as i had stated those in secret soicietys openly confess Lucifer, satan as their god, including 33 & 35 degree masons and members of their
33 council.

this was his reply.
First off, the word lucifer does not mean satan or prince of darkness.

It was a name given to a fallen Babylonian king who percecuted Israelites. It's translation from Hebrew to the Roman language was translated as the fallen morning star. The roman transaltion for morning star is Venus or lucifer.

In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.

Now, if that word we use to describe the devil got so mistranslated then how am I suppose to believe all the things people say about the illuminati and the masons?

As a mason I'm offended by being associated to such a thing. I labor intensely to find the truth in all things. I read books and study history, then observe my surroundings the best I can to interpret what I see and hear is real.


lc


there is also this topic, who is lucifer, in the antichrist forum

at

a few replys the last being lucifer was a man?

johnny

 

[Stephen1]

JB,

Sorry .... the scriptures do not agree with you about satan .... and you are presenting "conspiracy" theory ..... the "illuminati" fabrication is not scriptural.

Wait until the end of this month and then we will talk about the false prediction you are presenting

 

[johnny botwrigh]

who is lucifer

who is lucifer,? is the question i asked.
i did not mention satan.


also my preception, i just added a reply from a mason gentleman, who challenged me as to who was lucifer.
because i had said, that there were those who had declared, confessed lucifer, satan as their god.


niether have i made any prediction as you keep wrongly suggesting.

when i have put forward in my posts points of views, my own or others, from the scriptures.
there are many topics in scripture, using the scriptures. people have different points of views, come to different conclusions.
the rapture, the anti christ, the role of women. Jerusalem.
the mark of the beast, persecution, tribulation, and so the list could go on,
you seem to come across as your interpretations are the only correct ones, every one eles is in error, of one kind or another ?

Behold you are wiser than Daniel,there is no secret that is a match for you.
johnny