A lesson in rights

[FunKay789]

Hi everybody!
As a lot know, here in California, we have a proposition, Prop 8. It's to outlaw gay marriage. But I'm a little confused. Because, I know God made men for women and women for men, and same gender marriage isn't the best thing. But God also said to treat everyone with forgivness, equatlity, love, and how you would want to treat you selfs because that's how he treats us. So isn't it a big sin to discriminate others and take away rights? So why are we taking away peoples rights at love? When that's what God wants us to do, he wants us to love? I know everyone has different beliefs of what is right and what is wrong. I personally am voting against prop 8 in California because I believe we should treat people the way we want to be treated. Doesn't Jesus to? And doesn't love all of us the same?
I would love to hear everyone's opinions.


“Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32

 

[SpiritLedEd]

A legal right is not necessarily a moral right. Christians should oppose same-sex marriage. The problem lies in the fact that many of us, instead of hating the sin and loving the sinner - as Jesus does, come across as hating both the sin AND the sinner.

Nowhere in Scripture are we told that Jesus spewed righteous anger on anyone but the religious leaders of that day who understood his message but refused to ccept it. And we are called to be Christlike.

SpiritLedEd (SLE)

 

[Giggles4God]

I agree with my Brother SpiritLedEd.

I just wanted to add something God can not be in the presence of evil, sin. How could allowing same-sex marriage to occur be GOOD for anyone? It is sin. We can not compromise in this. God never has. Jesus never let a sin pass by, BUT he showed, in love, what the sin was and what to do about it. Not all listened to him though.

And like Brother SLE said...we need to be Christlike and love the sinner hate the sin.

 

[natty threads]

God said to love one another, not to have sex with one another.

Same sex marriage is justifying/sanctifying sex that is specifically banned in the bible.

No-one is saying anyone cannot love anyone else.
Nuts, there aren't even laws still on the books banning gay sex, are there?

In any case, unless you believe that loving one another and treating people equally somehow translates into having sex with everyone, your argument is logically flawed.

Keep track of what you are saying.

Diagram your argument.

You will see that logically it makes no sense.

Then rethink it.

Bless up!

Here's a hint: every time you use a particular word in an argument it should mean exactly the same thing.

 

[rizen1]

I think we can answer each other without criticism. .

From the original post Funkay states at the very beginning.

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’But I'm a little confused’’

Now our job is to bring wisdom and understanding in love.

’Here's a hint: every time you use a particular word in an argument it should mean exactly the same thing..natty threads’’

This wasn’t an argument but an open floor for discussion

‘’I would love to hear everyone's opinions. ‘’funkay

We need to give people freedom to ask questions, even if the question seems bizarre. For anyone to ask a question would indicate , confusion, little or no knowledge of the subject matter.

I would agree with everyone when they say.

A legal right is not necessarily a moral right

 

[natty threads]

rizen1, I think you are misunderstanding what I said.

"Argument" is actually the technical term for a presented group of lead-ups and their conclusions.

So "Because, I know God made men for women and women for men, and same gender marriage isn't the best thing. But God also said to treat everyone with forgivness, equatlity, love, and how you would want to treat you selfs because that's how he treats us. So isn't it a big sin to discriminate others and take away rights? So why are we taking away peoples rights at love? When that's what God wants us to do, he wants us to love?" is actually a logical argument.

How about...

funkay789,

Draw carefully on a piece of paper the order of what you are thinking then look carefully to make sure that when you use the word "love" to get from one thought to another that it means the exact same thing every time you use it.

It is entirely possible that the poster does equate sex with love, even with reference to God. I have seen this before and it is important to state that in that case, her argument holds water.

Sorry I seemed harsh.
I was hoping to engage in a logic game.

Bless up!

 

[rizen1]

So why are we taking away peoples rights at love? When that's what God wants us to do, he wants us to love? is actually a logical argument

Ok
Now lets solve it.

First…

The word love through out the whole post meant love. Sex was never mention but we know sex is involved in marriage gay or straight.

So why are we taking away peoples rights at love?

Being anti- gay marriage is not telling people who they can or can not love, but its staying true to the God given tradition that marriage is between a man and a woman.

When that's what God wants us to do, he wants us to love?

Yes God wants us to love each other. David and Jonathan shared a special love for each other, but the difference between their love and two gay men, no sexual acts comes from their love. One love is pure the other misguided and wrong.

Sorry I seemed harsh.
I was hoping to engage in a logic game

You didn't seem harsh. We need to be sensitive to the poster, not saying they were offended.
Sometimes is better to break down the question and answer it, then wait on the person to response.

You will get a better understanding where they are coming from.

The poster was trying to get our attention here.

I personally am voting against prop 8 in California because I believe we should treat people the way we want to be treated. Doesn't Jesus to? And doesn't love all of us the same?
I would love to hear everyone's opinions.


But I get you.
God bless

 

[natty threads]

Thank-you rizen1.
We are all on the same team, after all.
Bless up.

As soon as Funkay789 says that banning marriage takes away a right to love that she believes God regards, I know she's confounding the loves.

Don't confound the loves.

Love is what we do for others, generously, with no expectation of reward or return.

ALL marriage could be banned and it wouldn't take away anyone's right to love another biblically.

Love is what we do for others, generously, with no expectation of reward or return.

Marriage is a legal and binding contract that legitimizes the sexual aspect of a relationship.

Love is what we do for others, generously, with no expectation of reward or return.

We have no biblical right to sex of any kind outside of a heterosexual marriage.

Love is what we do for others, generously, with no expectation of reward or return.

(Which may be part of why we are saved by grace- yay grace- and not by our works. It would ruin love for us. God is so smart.)

And remember, Love is what we do for others, generously, with no expectation of reward or return.

Bless up!

 

[SpiritLedEd]

"Love" is very general term. There are several definitions of love: Sexual/romantic attraction - affection, maternal/paternal affection - parent to child, sibling affection - between brothers and sisters in a family group, and benevolence for others.

When God calls us to love others, he is calling us to have benevolent love for them. In no way should it be taken as condoning sexual attraction.

SLE