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Abortion is murder, but I have a ?

LindenLady

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I am a new Christian and I do know that every answer to every question can be found in the Bible... but I don't even know where to begin to look for an anwer to this comment.

"Given your belief that your god controls everything, if all babies that are conceived are meant to survive and anything else is murder, how do you square that with the 25% miscarriage rate that your god chooses? "

Can someone please help me out here.

Thanks....

LL
 
Well technically, God didn't create death in the first place. God created us perfect and immortal. Because of our sin death, including miscarriages, occur.
 
I understand the we all must suffer pain within our time here in the world because we are all born sinners, but why would God give the gift of life to a mother and then snatch that child from her womb? Why would he do that to a baby?

I see it that the child (under the age of discernment) will spend eternity with God in a perfect place with no tears and no pain.
I am looking for Bible passages to sustantiate these premises... can you help me please?

Thank you,
LL
 
I understand the we all must suffer pain within our time here in the world because we are all born sinners, but why would God give the gift of life to a mother and then snatch that child from her womb? Why would he do that to a baby?

I see it that the child (under the age of discernment) will spend eternity with God in a perfect place with no tears and no pain.
I am looking for Bible passages to sustantiate these premises... can you help me please?

Thank you,
LL

Like I said, God didn't choose death for us, we chose it by our sin.

I believe God allows things to happen for many reasons. God allows mothers to lose their children for many reasons...reasons I can't explain.

I don't know of any Bible passages about miscarrages. But I do know some about death entering because of one man (Adam), and new life thru one mane (Jesus)...or something like that :)
 
Wisdom in the Wilderness

How do I answer when people ask my why God "allows" something to happen?

This is the God I worship:

The worst thing that could *possibly* ever happen to us -- Going to Hell forever -- has already been prevented for each of us, and He (God) did all the work and suffered all the wounds and diseases and curses and paid all the debts to make that protection possible. Our part was reduced down to simply accepting the gift of His grace upon us.

The best thing that can *possibly* ever happen to us -- Going to Heaven forever -- is already promised and guaranteed by our Salvations even though not one of us has ever or *can* ever do enough to be "worthy" of it, and even though while the flesh remains most of us eventually do *something* that should flatly invalidate our rights to it. And again, all we had to do to get it was accept the offer He gave us.

---

They always seem surprised when I don't say anything else. But I don't need to know anything else to have peace even while here on this confusing and often seemingly hostile Earth.

Do you?
 
Abortion is a heart rending, life scaring, life suffocating experience, beyond contemplation. Many ladies, young or older, for whatever reason resort thereto. Such trauma. Life was not meant to be so flippant, traumatic.

Such is society today that 'free love' and sexual engagement seem to be a part of modern society.

"Flee youthful lusts" is the exhortation of scripture. Get running when faced with this. "It is better to marry than burn" absolutely says the LOrd God Almighty. Precious thing to look back...and thank God that you ran.....

25% miscarriage today the O.P. informs. This is sad news. And comes from an experience maybe.

But I cannot relate the two, miscarriage and abortion, if that is the question being asked.

The two are completely different. The former is of man, the latter is beyond our control. But medical science is solving so many natural problems today.

Also I believe God answers prayer.
 
Abortion is murder but.....

"Given your belief that your god controls everything, if all babies that are conceived are meant to survive and anything else is murder, how do you square that with the 25% miscarriage rate that your god chooses? "

First let’s establish that God is the creator of all that is good and perfect and that Satan, a defeated foe is part of the World system that is evil. (See I john 5:18-19). There are two worlds working in this earth, the kingdom of this World which encompasses the lust of eyes, the Lust of the flesh and the pride of life. The other Kingdom is the Kingdom of God which is righteousness, peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost.

When a child dies in a miscarriage that was not the will of God! In a perfect world where there is no death, then there would be no miscarriages. However, miscarriages occur due to many reasons. Stress, weak productive organs, failure of the egg to develop properly and a host of other medical reasons due to our fallen world.

The worst doctrine to ever hit the body of Christ is what I call the Sovereignty of God doctrine. This doctrine strips you of Hope and makes it look like God is responsible for all the evil on this earth. This is a lie. If you read the following scriptures, you will find that God is sovereign, but he made man little sovereigns on this earth. Psalm 115:16, Psalm 24:1, psalm 89:11 and Gen chapters 1 and 2. We have dominion here, and as a born again Christian you have been transferred out of the Kingdom of Darkness and placed into the Kingdom of the son of his love. Col 1: 12-15 and Col 2 12-15. Now, while on earth the two kingdoms and their subjects clash. The kingdom of darkness hates the kingdom of light. Those that walk in darkness do affect our lives. Example: You’re driving down the road and drunk hits you. Was that God and did he allow it? No. God had no part in allowing that drunk to get into his car, break the law and hurt you. He allows men to make choices even when it’s wrong. Now, we must be in tune with God on a daily basis and appropriating his protection so these things do not happen. There are times when God warns us, but we miss it. The wonderful thing is when bad things happen, we have a loving God we can run to and get Grace and wisdom to deal with the situation.

So to answer your question about miscarriage! Facts show there is a twenty percent death rate due to miscarriage. You do not have to be part of that percent. Learn the promises of God that pertains to barrennes and miscarriage. A quick shot in the arm tells us that we have been redeemed from all the curses under the Law. See Det 28:1-64. 1-14 are blessing and 14-68 are curse. Gal 3 tells us you are redeemed from the curse of the Law. If a miscarriage occurs, then try again and run Satan off with "Thus saith the Lord pertaining to miscarriages.

Now, abortion is murder flat and simple. An innocent baby is killed because someone does not want the responsibility of that child. There are two many birth control methods on the market today so having an abortion is out of the question. In proverbs 6: 19 it says God hates the shedding of innocent blood. Now, I know there are situations like rape, birth defects that you have to work out between you and God. Go to him, get his insight on your situation, then go with God and do not look back.

There is good news though. If you have had an abortion, Jesus paid the price for that sin. God has already provided a way for you to be cleansed from that sin, receive his forgiveness and it will be totally erased from your life. It may take time for the guilt of it to leave, but know this, God really does and HAS forgiven you and there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Make life simple, Good God, bad devil. If you suffered a miscarriage, then pray, ask God if there is something I need to know here about why it happened. Keep on trying to have children and allow God to heal that wound.

I also would counsel you not to get in any long prolonged arguments with people who do not want to know the truth and are more interested in proving God is not real or mean. Most of the time these people are a waste of time! Present the truth and move on and allow the seed of Gods word to work in their lives.

Trucker
 
Well, after a few days of debate...(which btw, in retorspect, I now believe is a set up from Satan) I finally through my hands in the air, told them I would pray for them and walked away.

To quote a wonderful evangelist, Dr. Bill Saye, "They are as lost as a goose in the desert, and destined to burn in hell like so much bacon if they do not wake up and turn to Jesus."

Thank you for you replies.. :love:

LL
 
I am a new Christian and I do know that every answer to every question can be found in the Bible... but I don't even know where to begin to look for an anwer to this comment.

"Given your belief that your god controls everything, if all babies that are conceived are meant to survive and anything else is murder, how do you square that with the 25% miscarriage rate that your god chooses? "

Can someone please help me out here.

Thanks....

LL

This is a good question.

God already knows and has declared everthing. But Just because things are a part of Gods plan does not mean that the actions of men are not still wicked. For example, many times in scripture we see that God uses wicked men against His people who are in sin and then He punishes those wicked men, for what they did to His people.

Abortion is a very specific event that is happening for a very specific purpose in these last days. This information may or may not be helpful to an unbeliever who asks you but it will be to you and your understanding overall.

In Moses day, Pharoh sent out people to kill moses as a babe and he had the midwives kill the babes as they were born to try to stop moses from being born because moses would be a deliverer. This was a work of satan in pharoh to destroy moses before he could accomplish Gods plan.
Exd 1:15 ¶ And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one [was] Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah: Exd 1:16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see [them] upon the stools; if it [be] a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it [be] a daughter, then she shall live.

However Gods purpose and will is always accomplished and the midwives feared God and did not kill the male children and when moses was born they put him in a basket in the river and he was found by pharohs daughter and was raised in pharohs house!

Exd 1:17 But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive. Exd 2:2 And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he [was a] goodly [child], she hid him three months. Exd 2:3 And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid [it] in the flags by the river's brink. Exd 2:5 ¶ And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash [herself] at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river's side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it. Exd 2:6 And when she had opened [it], she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, This [is one] of the Hebrews' children.

Ok- So then this happened again in history!

When the time was come for Jesus to be born, satan used herod to send men to kill all the children two and younger in an attempt to kill the deliverer Jesus before God could raise Him up.( these things only happen so perfectly and in perfect type because it is GOD in all control amen)

Mat 2:16 ¶ Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.

But God had already made a way for Jesus to escape this flood of men to kill him, just as God made a way for moses to live.

Mat 2:13 ¶ And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

So now we come to these days, why is abortion going on as it is in the whole of the world? Because the bible tells us of another such event, where this same type will happen in the last days and satan will want to kill this man child again.and again God will deliver. However this time, this " manchild" will be not one singular person but a group of people who are all over the world so satan has a busy abortion industry working, trying to kill these people before they can even be born into the world.

Rev 12:1 ¶ And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne. Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

So we see that satan is only trying to do what he has done twice before but this time he is trying to kill them before they can even be born because both times before God delivered them after their birth. Of course we know that satan cannot get in the way of Gods plan so these people will not be aborted no matter the trying and will escape.

This revelation is very deep and interesting and the perfect types between these three events, when compaired are astonishing to say the least! I hope this gave you some help in understanding and blessed you greatly, if you have any questions ask away sister!
 
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