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Acupuncture?

Maureen

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I would just like to ask my Christian Brothers and Sisters here your views on this form of relief/cure.

Not for something that is habit forming, it is actually for stress/depression.

I also intend to get the views of the Godly men/woman in my church.

I am just unsure myself, and do not know if it's related in anyway to the same form that Yoga has, thus making me unsure.

Can you give Spiritual advise please.
Thank you, in Christ
 
My personal view: when used medicinally and without spiritual any "spiritual aspects" I do not see a problem. Basically needles are used to block nerve impulses, this allows muscles to relax, reduces inflammation and can relieve pain to some degree.
The best advice I can offer is to pray about it. If you have a peace in your spirit then it should not be an issue.
 
How would you know the difference?
From Medical and Spiritual, would they have a ritual or something, forgive my ignorance I've just never been before.

I suffer from stress so my GP says, because I would scrige my teeth all day long causing pain in my gum, so I've discovered chewing a small piece of plastic prevents that, but my GP says thats only cause I'm chewing on it, but it saves having the pain in my gums.

Thank you for your reply Boanerges
 
How would I know the difference? That is a good question my friend. Usually talking to the practitioner will tell you what you need to know.
What you are describing might be TMJ. Try talking to a dentist about that.
 
Boanerges
What does TMJ stand for, I've never been so much to the dentist in the last few months than I've been in years.

She never mentioned it.
She xrayed my gums and teeth said they were perfectly good, I went back and asked her to remove the back tooth, as I couldn't scringe if two didn't meet, she was very reluctant, tried to talk me out of it, but said I'd have to sign a disclaimer I told her I'd sign anything.
But just today I've cancelled it as my GP told me since it's stress related.

So no point in getting good teeth removed as it's not going to solve the problem.

Please tell me what TMJ stands for, thank you very much.

What sort of question would I ask the practitioner to find out,
Were it orginates from? don't think that'd be any use.
Help me with what I could ask them Boanerges please.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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TMJ or TMD depending on who you ask is a disorder which often involves grinding of ones teach and/or clenching of ones jaws usually while sleeping. This is something you would generally have to bring up to your dentist for him to know about.
 
No Boanerges
I used to do this while sleeping years ago, caused Migraine, got mouth guard made by proffessor, helped greatly.
I don't do it while sleeping at all this time round, it's all day long.
Went back to trying the mouth guard at night by prof instructions made it worse, at least I get relief when I sleep and eat.

Thank you ever so much, and I do apologise that this is not really related to Spiritual issues as such.
Although only the Lord can help with my stress, which I do not know were it's coming from but He does.
 
I think it's fantastic that you are seeking the truth and God first and investigating this. :) "Remember how you were when you didn't know God, led from one phony god to another, never knowing what you were doing, just doing it because everybody else did it? It's different in this life. God wants us to use our intelligence, to seek to understand as well as we can." (1 Corinthians 12:2)

Do you think perhaps that this feeling of "unsureness" and suspicion is the holy spirit moving in you? I have found that the Spirit of God within our hearts can detect if something is of the Darkness, when we cannot. Light cannot mix with darkness (which is one reason the bible says to not be unequally yoked/partnered with unbelievers). Always respond to the tug of the Holy Spirit. God wants to take our hand in his and guide us through unknown country so that we don't fall into holes. But we have to let him lead us.

Here's an easy test to see if something is of God or the Devil: Is it giving something other than the sufficiency of Christ and the scriptures to meet the needs and problems of the human heart? Is this God centered or Self centered? Is this relying on the sufficiency of Christ or of Self (or something else)?

Satan's goal, remember, is to lead us/keep us away from Jesus, blind us to the truth of the gospel and oppose God's work. He is constantly figuring out ways to lure unbelievers and believers into his trap and trip us up. “The Devil is poised to pounce, and would like nothing better than to catch you napping.” (1 Timothy 3:7, 2 Timothy 2:26, 1 Peter 5:8). Satan tries to stop God's work wherever it is taking place. "To accomplish this he schemes and works every way he can, and he is behind all the evil that takes place in the world. His name—Satan—literally means 'Adversary'—and that is what he is: our adversary."~Billy Graham

He dresses up as something beautiful, as "a beautiful angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14) Like the evil witch in Snow White, he makes what is lethal appear attractive. In the garden, he made Evil (the knowledge of Evil) appear attractive. But, Satan is wicked, evil and malicious, fierce and cruel, and intent on destroying us. (1 John 2:3, Job 1:9, Job 2:4, Luke 8:29, 9:39, 42; 1 Peter 5:8).

Satan’s primary technique is the first one he used: to get us to turn against God, reject him, affront him and (whether we realize or not) curse him in our hearts and set up our own will as rule and our own glory at the end of our actions. Basically, turn from the worship of God to the worship of self; love ourselves above God--in opposition to God and with contempt of God. This self-worship and self-love is the core of the sin problem and the gateway to all iniquity. Sin is what happens when we replace the love and will of God with the love and will of Self.

Satan is preying on the deep needs of the human heart (including our need to belong and to worship), our tendency toward self-centeredness (as opposed to God-centeredness), keeping us focused on ourselves (our pleasures, desires, solutions, "answers" etc....) instead of on God, where real and lasting life is found.

God loves you so much that he gave his very life just to be with you. He wants to be the center of your heart and life and the One who meets all your needs (he is committed to doing so) and the one you go to when you're hurting, for comfort and deep healing. He wants you to come to know him, his immense love, his lavish goodness, his dependable strength, his complete sufficiency. He wants you to go to His word and ask him to speak to your heart. He wants you to tell him everything you are feeling and pour out your heart to him so that he can pour wellsprings of living water back in. He cares deeply when you hurt, his pain is your pain. Your pain brings tears to his love filled eyes. He weeps over every piece of your broken heart. He wants to bandage your wounds, lift your head, put his hand in yours, hold you in his arms and quiet you and make you whole with his love. He wants you to cast all your cares on him and carry all your burdens for you, because he cares for you. He wants you to run to him and trust in him and rely on him. You were created for him, for his love. You were created for a relationship with your true Prince, who will one day sweep you into his arms and carry you to his land to cherish as his princess forever.

If you are feeling a depression or anxiety that does not seem to have a source (I speak from experience), it's possible you are dealing with a mental illness (where the brain isn't functioning properly)(such as Bipolar Disorder, which I have experienced) or even demonic oppression (which I have also experienced). If it's a result of a mental illness there are many natural modes of treatments and medicines out there and professionals who can really help (I'll send you a list of proven tips, if that is indeed what you are struggling with) . If it is direct mental oppression, then you can and will find freedom through the truth, authority and power of Christ (I'll tell you more if that is what you are dealing with).

You are on the right track already, searching for the truth. "You will know the truth and the truth will set you free." (Jesus) And you were right to question accupuncture.

Accupuncture is rooted in the occult and part of a false Chinese religion and one of the many products of the Devil that promises self-fulfillment, personal well-being, healing, a quick fix and life-transforming results, while shifting faith and worship from God to man and turning us from Christ's sufficiency to our insufficiency--or worse, the powers of darkness intent on destroying us.

To quote from gotquestionsdotorg:

"The origin of acupuncture is Chinese and it is a teaching of Taoism. Taoism is the philosophical system evolved by Lao-tzu and Chuang-tzu and that advocates a life of complete simplicity and naturalness and of non-interference with the course of natural events in order to attain a happy existence in harmony with the tao, or life force. It is also called Hsuan Chaio, which is a popular Chinese religion that purports to be based on the doctrines of Lao-tzu but which is actually highly eclectic in nature and characterized by a pantheon of many gods, superstitions, and the practice of alchemy, divination and magic.

"In this Chinese philosophy and religion there are two principles. The first is the "yin," which is negative, dark and feminine, and the second is "yang," which is positive, bright and masculine. The interaction of these two forces is thought to be the guiding influence for the destinies of all creatures and things. In other words, there is no place for the one true God of the universe in this false religion. One’s fate is under the power of the balance or imbalance of these two forces. Acupuncture is an attempt to bring these two forces (yin and yang) into harmony and therefore positively affect the "destiny" or the health of the body. Acupuncture then is a mechanism practiced by adherents of Taoism that is used to bring the "yin and yang" of the body into harmony with tao and it is based in a false religion.

"With that information as a basis, can we find an answer about false religion in Scripture? The answer is yes. There are numerous commands to Israel by God that deal with the false gods of the pagans that surrounded them. We find many of these commandments in Leviticus and again in Deuteronomy. However the first commandment God gave to Israel is the foundation of all of these commandments. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" (Exodus 20:3).

"The question of whether acupuncture is biblical is answered by the first commandment from the Old Testament that is repeated in the New Testament (Matthew 22:37-40). Any practice that is part of a false religion is not biblical. The fact that our society has been inundated by imported Eastern religions and "New Age" practices is another sign of the "last days" (2 Timothy 3:1-7). However, these things are not "new" at all. Rather, they are the old counterfeit religions masquerading as legitimate practices. No wonder the Apostle Paul warned us that Satan and his ministers masqueraded as angels of light. "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve" (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

"Adding the word "Christian" to something does not legitimize it nor does it make it biblical. The term "Christian acupuncture" is what is known as an "oxymoron" or a self-contradiction. In other words, the two words cancel out each other. Acupuncture is not based in the foundations of Christianity. The definition of a Christian means a follower of Christ. Acupuncture is a practice of an ancient Chinese religion and philosophy that has no place in the life of a born again believer. Acupuncture may seem harmless and innocuous and perhaps even "beneficial" but it can be a doorway to the occult. William Divine, chairman of the California Acupuncture Association said, "You could bring one patient in and five different practitioners could look at him and they would come up with five different diagnoses and none of them would be wrong." In other words, none of these five practitioners know the truth. They are all operating from their own opinions based in superstition rather than a diagnosis based in true knowledge. A needle piercing the skin could conceivably cause a beneficial reaction to a nerve, but that is not the original theory behind the practice of acupuncture. There are many who are practitioners of this philosophy that are deceived as to its true origin and what they are really involved with.

"As to the difference between acupuncture and acupressure, instead of needles, pressure is placed upon nerve centers. For instance there are pressure points said to be in the sole of the foot and the palm of the hand that correspond to other areas of the body. Acupressure would seem to mean the same as deep massage therapy where the muscles of the body are exposed to pressure to increase blood flow. However, if the process is practiced to bring the body into the harmony of yin and yang, then it is rooted in occultism. The question becomes is it being practiced as part and parcel of the same philosophic origins of Chinese acupuncture? The answer to that question should be the guiding issue.

"The important issue here is separation for the born-again believer from any and all practices that would bring them the danger of bondage to counterfeit religions. Ignorance of evil is a danger and the more we inform ourselves as to the true origin of the Eastern philosophies and practices, the more we see that they are rooted in superstition, occultism and false religions that are in direct opposition to God's Word. The world's false religions teach that there are "many paths to God." This is the ultimate lie. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one comes to the Father, except through Me" (John 14:6). None of the counterfeit religions can bring us into harmony with God. The only way is through the Lord Jesus Christ."

"The thief [Satan] 
comes only to steal and kill and destroy;
I came so they can have real 
and eternal life,
more and better life 
than they ever dreamed of."
(Jesus, John 10:10, NLT and MSG)

“This is how much God loved the world: 

He gave his Son, his one and only Son. 

And this is why: 

so that no one need be destroyed;
by believing in him, 

anyone can have a whole and lasting life.”
(John 3:16)

Turn now to Jesus.
 
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If you are feeling a depression that does not seem to have a source (I speak from experience), it's possible you are dealing with a mental illness (such as Bipolar Disorder, which I have experienced) or even demonic oppression (which I have also experienced). If it's a result of a mental illness there are many natural modes of treatments and medicines out there (I'll send you a list, if that is what you are struggling with) and professionals who can really help.

Dear Sister in Christ
KnowingJesus

I have printed out your reply I have read most but I prefer to read from a page than a screen, then I can go over and over parts of it.

The above words you wrote are so in line with, is unreal nearly.
I too have been 'labelled' Bi-polar, but I am interested to read you say about demonic oppression as I am doubtfull if it was Bi-polar, nervous breakdown, or even somehthing demonic, because of the nature of the whole ordeal.
It was all structered around Christianity, or they termed it 'Religious Mania'
I would be very anxious to hear what you have to say on this please.

In case this is not the proper place to discuss it, please email me or p.m. me.
I would not want to upset anyone, or break any rules, this is a great wee place.

Thank you also for sharing your views about Acupuncture, yes I'm sure it was the Holy Spirit dealing with me over it, I have not ventured to even find out anything other than on here about it.
I have also been having challenges regarding Easter and Easter eggs, so I'm not buying any this year for the first time.
Also days like Mothers Day, although I did do this one, but I really don't have strong likes for them.
I've been doing much reading to do with how these dates became in our Christian calendar, they bothered me.

Don't forget please get in touch sis.
and thank you very much for your lengthy reply.
Much appreciated.
 
Treating the symptom...not the cause

Acupuncture has its roots in Taoism.

However, modern Western medicine has its roots in Alchemy and Witchcraft.

If we Christians were to flatly abandon every technology of mankind that has ever been touched, influenced, or in any way corrupted by Satan - we'd have to give up ... everything.

But...Taoism aside, as a pure technology, there's no conflict between the science of Acupuncture (such as it is) and Christianity.

So ... what you need to do is find a Christian Acupuncturist. This is not difficult where I live, but I don't know what's available to you. I just hit Google and searched for "Christian Acupuncture" and went from there.

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My concern in all of this is that disabling nerve endings to block pain treats pain at the site...but not the source.

If you are so stressed that you are always grinding your teeth, there is probably something else wrong. You should go to *God* about that. He wants you to enter into His *rest*. (Heb 4:3)

Remember always -- As He is, so are we in this world. He is risen, and holy and pure and resurrected. He's not sick, he's not suffering, he's seated at the right hand of the Father....be as He is. Claim the health and prosperity of body, mind, and spirit that is your *right* as a fellow heir with Him and tell the devil and his pathetic attempts to distract you with "sickness" to get gone.
 
Janetter dear sister
Thank you for that info, I did not know that our modern Western medicine has its roots in Alchemy and Witchcraft.
If that was the case we would never go to the doctor I guess, but the Lord gave these people the wisdom they have to do this job, although He alone is the Great Physician.

I have mixed emotions about Acupuncture now, I girl was handing me a leaflet right out side were the Acupuncture is done, in the Mall, I even had reservations about accepting it, though I did with hesitation.
I have not read it, in fact, I don't even know what I've done with it.

I will wait it out, and leave it with the Lord, I have to attend the Professor again next month who has been treating me over the past year with it, and giving me med that I cannot tolerate, only it went under a new name, otherwise I'd have knew to refuse it from the onset.
I ended up taking it for 6months, waining by the day, not knowing why, till my own GP mentioned it's original name, then I twigged, so came straight of it, got me back again, praise the Lord, it was only through prayer this was brought to me, as I'd asked the Lord to give me a word through my GP at my last visit, the word was the old name of the med. Hallelujah.

knowingjesus
Like me I like to print out and read from the paper also, for the same reason also, to re-read, so snap.
I am really interested in your post when you mention Demonic Oppression, I would love to know for certain about that period of my life that I was out of 'control' for the want of a better description of it.
I have thought, a nervous breakdown, but at that I'm not convinced.
It was very horrible indeed, what I remember of it, to give you just a little glimpse into it, it was controlled by a power telling me Jesus wanted me to choose someone to die, I searched that ward for a candidate, for ages it seemed like, I couldn't choose someone I knew, my family, no way, it had to be someone I never knew, I spotted a man (worker) I picked him, I said he'll do, my husband volunteered at one stage, but I refused to let him. Then a nurse came with an injection for me, guess it was to calm me down, but I of course believed in my state of mind, that I had been choosen then, and I didn't want to die.
It was terrible, I can't explain just how awful it was, in words.

But, I really must tell you this insight also, weeks before all this kicked off, I had been praying EVERY night, seriously, Please Lord put me into an Asylum (were I got that term for it even, mistifies me) and I will get out. It was through reading Paul's writings in scripture, he really inspired me and I'd only been saved a year, it seemed to take me over.
Then one Sunday the Pastor said, 'Be very careful what you pray for, as it just may come true) well I had already been praying it a few weeks, couldn't withdrawn what I'd prayed for earnestly.
Then this spate happened, I was sectioned to the mental ward (my asylum) that period in there lasted 6 weeks, I've just told you what it started with above, someone had to die.

Can you make any sence out of it?
I don't even know why I'm wondering about all this now, it's over 5years past, perhaps it's best left there, in the past.
It did make things in my Spiritual life very difficult afterwards though, I can even say to my shame, when I was discharged, I couldn't even pray to Jesus, I was AFRAID of Him, imagine that, but it's true, totally AFRAID of my Lord.
That took months to leave me, before I could pray again.
But I really do give Him all the glory, He has brought me through so very much since it all, I could not, or would not have wanted to survive the situations that have come without Jesus right there by my side.

It was a very difficult period of years, yes years, before I could even speak up for Jesus, because even though I knew I was mentally alright to do so, the family were watching me, listening for the least wee tell-tale sign, so I was over cautious about my speech.

It is only this past year or two, maybe slightly longer that I can say whatever it is placed on my heart and not concern myself about what anyone is going to think about my mental state, that is the Lord though going before me and holding me.

Thank you for your help, it is so very much appreciated, I could not write all the things that happened in those 6wks of being closed up in a mental ward, it would fill a book easily.
I have told the most important part I believe, I was able to witness to a few of the others in the ward, in fact I even had one lady come and do the daily reading for us, another was a R.C. lady and she joined our little group of 4 while we read the word and listened to my gospel cd's.
Her husband enquired about me, as to what I was doing with them, I think he was just concerned that she was a R.C. perhaps in case she got converted.
This little group session began to happen when my recovery started to take place, but even so I was so frightened of Jesus on my return home, that that doesn't make sence now, looking back on it.
Perhaps I won't even get to the bottom of it, the Lord knows and that's fine with me.

It wasn't all doom and gloom though. Praise the Lord.
Thank you all once again.
 
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