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God would never hurt His children, even those who aren't Christians, do you recall the time Jesus healed the blind man? It wasn't because of his sins or his parent's, it was a purpose to glorify God.
God designs a plan to save us, even if we get ourself into problems, all bad things don't come from God, but God works for the good of those who love Him.
I don't know if you have a child, suppose you do, what if he acted in a disrespectful way, would you think about hurting him in a very bad way, get him ill?
God designs a plan to save us, even if we get ourself into problems, all bad things don't come from God, but God works for the good of those who love Him.
I don't know if you have a child, suppose you do, what if he acted in a disrespectful way, would you think about hurting him in a very bad way, get him ill?
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In the O.T, God did what He had to do, because people deserved it, that was the law.
but no more, not after Jesus bore our sins and died for them, you see, the law has changed, now there is forgiveness in the blood of Jesus, our salvation, God would not harm you even if he is angry, His love exceeds!
However, He may discpline you, if He loves you, and I know He does.
but no more, not after Jesus bore our sins and died for them, you see, the law has changed, now there is forgiveness in the blood of Jesus, our salvation, God would not harm you even if he is angry, His love exceeds!
However, He may discpline you, if He loves you, and I know He does.
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Hiv and aids are not a judgment or wrath from God. Hiv and aids come from disobeying sexual guidelines God has set forth in his word. God gave us sex, but he established boundaries specifically marriage to bring fulfillment to the marriage covenant.
Aids and HIV are a result of sin. I have said this many times. If you read what Jesus did on the cross you will find out he died for ALL MANKINDS sins. The punishment for your and mine sin was laid on Jesus. II corth 5: 17-21 reveal this. God poured his wrath out on Jesus so that he could deal with mankind in Grace and Mercy. We now live under the new covenant. Jesus became sin that we might become the righteousness of God in Christ. However, even thought the price of sin was purchased, if you sin, it opens the door to destruction. It is why God hates sin.
Hiv and aids are what the wage of sin pays. Its death! When we engage in sex outside of marriage it opens the door to all sorts of problems. If you will notice, a married couple could have sex 10 times a day for the rest of their lives and never get a sexually transmitted disease. Their sexual life is protected by covenant. However, you take that same man and women and they have multiple partners, its will be like playing Russian Roulette. Its only a matter of time before they get Herpes, venereal disease, Hiv or aids.
There are nations that are being wiped out because they can not control their sexual urges or have ignored Gods word on sexual relations. The problem is, innocent people are now affected by their sin. If a baby is born to a mom who has Hiv, then the baby will get it. He had nothing to do with his mom’s sin, yet it affected him even when he was innocent.
So is this Gods wrath or judgment, no. Are people eating the fruit of their own way? Yes!
Can these people receive forgiveness and mercy for their sin? Yes, it was already paid for. Can they approach God for a miracle and healing? Yes. Will God deliver them? Yes! Christian and non Christians? Yes! Both must approach God and receive healing, and wholeness. The saved must repent, the unsaved must get born again, however, you will read about many people unsaved getting healed in the bible. It’s what brought them to Christ. It was his Grace and Mercy they received.
This does not give us the right to willfully sin, but if we do, Please run to God and receive his Grace and Mercy. (Heb 4: 16)
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Hiv and aids are not a judgment or wrath from God. Hiv and aids come from disobeying sexual guidelines God has set forth in his word. God gave us sex, but he established boundaries specifically marriage to bring fulfillment to the marriage covenant.
Aids and HIV are a result of sin. I have said this many times. If you read what Jesus did on the cross you will find out he died for ALL MANKINDS sins. The punishment for your and mine sin was laid on Jesus. II corth 5: 17-21 reveal this. God poured his wrath out on Jesus so that he could deal with mankind in Grace and Mercy. We now live under the new covenant. Jesus became sin that we might become the righteousness of God in Christ. However, even thought the price of sin was purchased, if you sin, it opens the door to destruction. It is why God hates sin.
Hiv and aids are what the wage of sin pays. Its death! When we engage in sex outside of marriage it opens the door to all sorts of problems. If you will notice, a married couple could have sex 10 times a day for the rest of their lives and never get a sexually transmitted disease. Their sexual life is protected by covenant. However, you take that same man and women and they have multiple partners, its will be like playing Russian Roulette. Its only a matter of time before they get Herpes, venereal disease, Hiv or aids.
There are nations that are being wiped out because they can not control their sexual urges or have ignored Gods word on sexual relations. The problem is, innocent people are now affected by their sin. If a baby is born to a mom who has Hiv, then the baby will get it. He had nothing to do with his mom’s sin, yet it affected him even when he was innocent.
So is this Gods wrath or judgment, no. Are people eating the fruit of their own way? Yes!
Can these people receive forgiveness and mercy for their sin? Yes, it was already paid for. Can they approach God for a miracle and healing? Yes. Will God deliver them? Yes! Christian and non Christians? Yes! Both must approach God and receive healing, and wholeness. The saved must repent, the unsaved must get born again, however, you will read about many people unsaved getting healed in the bible. It’s what brought them to Christ. It was his Grace and Mercy they received.
This does not give us the right to willfully sin, but if we do, Please run to God and receive his Grace and Mercy. (Heb 4: 16)
Trucker
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Thinking that HIV/AIDS is punishment from God because of sinning is no different than thinking He punishes overweight people with heart disease and diabetes.
Sins do have consequences but this is not how the Lord gets "back at us". Just as everyone else has said, the Lord has put our sins to death and no longer holds them against His people. "There is now NO condemnation..."
Sins do have consequences but this is not how the Lord gets "back at us". Just as everyone else has said, the Lord has put our sins to death and no longer holds them against His people. "There is now NO condemnation..."
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If I'm a bad mom with AIDS and I carry out with my pregnancy, whose fault it is? God's or mine?
Is it God's fault that people have sex outside marriage and have kids?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is NOT God's fault at all, God doesn't control our free will.
Is it God's fault that people have sex outside marriage and have kids?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is NOT God's fault at all, God doesn't control our free will.
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Having an abortion...would bring in this quote 'Two wrongs don't make a right.'
Some might say...that it is wrong to give birth to the child and it have AIDS. BUT even an AIDS baby has a place in God's heart. Having an abortion would bring more mental, emotional strain on the mother. Then, of course, watching the baby die would also.
hmmmm...My choices are Murder the baby or watch the baby die...choices choices.
Instead of trying to figure out the best thing to do...we need to pray for these people. We need to pray and ask God to show them how they should live.
The reason these things happen is because God has been taken away from the situation. Pray for these people. Condemning them isn't showing them the love of Jesus. I believe that Jesus would have reached out to them. Shown that there is a better place...a better life far away from here and what this planet we call 'home' has to offer.
Some might say...that it is wrong to give birth to the child and it have AIDS. BUT even an AIDS baby has a place in God's heart. Having an abortion would bring more mental, emotional strain on the mother. Then, of course, watching the baby die would also.
hmmmm...My choices are Murder the baby or watch the baby die...choices choices.
Instead of trying to figure out the best thing to do...we need to pray for these people. We need to pray and ask God to show them how they should live.
The reason these things happen is because God has been taken away from the situation. Pray for these people. Condemning them isn't showing them the love of Jesus. I believe that Jesus would have reached out to them. Shown that there is a better place...a better life far away from here and what this planet we call 'home' has to offer.
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You misunderstood what I wrote, maybe I didn't choose the correct words, let me rephrase it.
I meant a mother who has sex outside of marriage, with multiple partners, I did NOT mean abortion by anymeans.
I meant a mother who has sex outside of marriage, with multiple partners, I did NOT mean abortion by anymeans.
As has been said before....the consequence of Aids/HIV is based on a choice. Be it to engage in some form of sexual imorality, drugs, or the like. For there is not an action we take that does not have some form of result.
Is it necessarily God's punishment being worked upon us?
No, though if a child is born with Aids.....or a person contracts it....it could also very well be done so as to serve a purpose be it in ministry or otherwise.
Just my thoughts.
May God Bless You
Danielle
Is it necessarily God's punishment being worked upon us?
No, though if a child is born with Aids.....or a person contracts it....it could also very well be done so as to serve a purpose be it in ministry or otherwise.
Just my thoughts.
May God Bless You
Danielle
Regardless of punishment ( though I find the subject interesting ) I personally do think 90% of our woes are brought about by our own actions. I’d like to make that part clear. But concerning children with HIV this is a area I find almost impossible to come to a conclusion on. Hence the topic for discussion.
There is a very good chance that a child born to a mother with HIV will NOT be infected. In fact, if the mother is taking preventative drugs (AZT or ZVD) and doesn't breastfeed the chance of the virus spreading to her newborn is somewhere around 2%. So breathe something of a sigh of relief about that one, my friends. It is certainly worth a mother carrying through to full term without any real moral or ethical dilemmas to contend with.
On the other hand, if the woman is not being treated with these drugs and she breastfeeds, as I am assuming they do in poor nation simply because they have no choice, then the baby has a significant (20-45%) chance of contracting the virus. Surely this is a significant factor in the wildfire spread of AIDS in developing nations? Add to that the almost insurmountable evidence suggesting that the virus originated in West Africa and you have another reason why that continent has something in the order of 30 million carriers. The Sooty monkey that carries the AIDS virus is a welcome addition to the often impoverished diet of the locals and it is now widely believed that thi is how the original transmission occurred...through consuming the blood or having it get into cuts and grazes on the hunter. One of the reasons it is so hard to pin down exactly how the virus spread and when it presented itself in human beings is made very difficult by the fact that HIV is a lentivirus, literally meaning it is slow to present any ill effects in the patient and therefore difficult to trace.
Sex? Well, promiscuity certainly didn't help. That said, the most recent estimates are that (in Africa) only about 30% of alll cases of infection are traced back to sexual activity. In fact, it is thought that the main culprit is through immunization, the re-using of infected needles because of a shortness in medical supplies. How sad is that? In 1959 the disposable plastic syringe became available. Great! Unfortunatey, it was simply too expensive to buy all the necessary needles to accompany them. Not so great.
Drug users are at high risk for the same reasons...dirty needles.
As for the gay community, they have suffered immensley as a result of two things, in connection to AIDS: sexual promiscuity and the physiological fct that the anus has more blood vessels close to the surface of the skin than a ****** does. I will leave you to fill in the obvious blanks where that is concerned.
The AIDS story doesn't end there. There is endless speculation about its origins and the spread of the virus.
So, to come back to your point, Sky, the answer is a resounding YES!...90% of our suffering may very well be the result of our own doing but it is not always the actions we presume them to be. There is certainly a sexual or lifestyle morality involved in the spread of AIDS among certain groups and any caring person would like to see an end to that suffering I am sure. There is also the heart-breaking issue of needle sterilisation in the administration of vaccines and innoculations in poor countries...poverty as the culprit! Then there is the traditional hunter feeding his family and inadvertantly signing their death warrants for generations to come.
On the other hand, if the woman is not being treated with these drugs and she breastfeeds, as I am assuming they do in poor nation simply because they have no choice, then the baby has a significant (20-45%) chance of contracting the virus. Surely this is a significant factor in the wildfire spread of AIDS in developing nations? Add to that the almost insurmountable evidence suggesting that the virus originated in West Africa and you have another reason why that continent has something in the order of 30 million carriers. The Sooty monkey that carries the AIDS virus is a welcome addition to the often impoverished diet of the locals and it is now widely believed that thi is how the original transmission occurred...through consuming the blood or having it get into cuts and grazes on the hunter. One of the reasons it is so hard to pin down exactly how the virus spread and when it presented itself in human beings is made very difficult by the fact that HIV is a lentivirus, literally meaning it is slow to present any ill effects in the patient and therefore difficult to trace.
Sex? Well, promiscuity certainly didn't help. That said, the most recent estimates are that (in Africa) only about 30% of alll cases of infection are traced back to sexual activity. In fact, it is thought that the main culprit is through immunization, the re-using of infected needles because of a shortness in medical supplies. How sad is that? In 1959 the disposable plastic syringe became available. Great! Unfortunatey, it was simply too expensive to buy all the necessary needles to accompany them. Not so great.
Drug users are at high risk for the same reasons...dirty needles.
As for the gay community, they have suffered immensley as a result of two things, in connection to AIDS: sexual promiscuity and the physiological fct that the anus has more blood vessels close to the surface of the skin than a ****** does. I will leave you to fill in the obvious blanks where that is concerned.
The AIDS story doesn't end there. There is endless speculation about its origins and the spread of the virus.
So, to come back to your point, Sky, the answer is a resounding YES!...90% of our suffering may very well be the result of our own doing but it is not always the actions we presume them to be. There is certainly a sexual or lifestyle morality involved in the spread of AIDS among certain groups and any caring person would like to see an end to that suffering I am sure. There is also the heart-breaking issue of needle sterilisation in the administration of vaccines and innoculations in poor countries...poverty as the culprit! Then there is the traditional hunter feeding his family and inadvertantly signing their death warrants for generations to come.
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GOD is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. those before the Cross of Jesus were still saved by the cross of Jesus. they looked forward and we looked backwards. salvation for all ages hinges on the sacrifice of Jesus and nothing els. My point is there always was forgiveness in the blood of Jesus.
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It isn't a punishment per se, but it is an unfortunate possible consequence for not practicing a pure lifestyle. HIV has surely been around for quite some time, but it did not spread at nearly such a fast pace until the 1960s. The concepts of "free love" and "doing what you feel" have created a snowball effect that only continues to grow, I'm afraid.
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1 Corinthians 10:8
Neither let us commit fornications as some of them committed,
and fell down dead in one day, three and twenty thousand.
I think punnishment is a bit inaccurate, its more like a negative consequence. There are many reported cases of people reversing HIV. Being born with HIV is a challenge, but no more than being born in a war zone.
I can only believe that if all our trouble is the consequence of our actions, then reincarnation can account for how a seemingly innocent person can be born HIV+. As far as I have been informed, reincarnation was in the Bible up until 334AD, Constantinople, and nowhere in the the Bible is reincarnation refuted. However do not read into this, that all who suffer deserve to suffer.
If we look at the book of Job, we see a man suffering for no reason, so God does sometimes allow Satan to inflict suffering on the faithful, to test their faith.
Either way, life is full of trials, and Satan will test us in many ways. Its how we react to the tests that are important. Being human, we are all terminally ill, to a certain extent, we all face death, so is the suffering of the HIV+ born, really substantiall different to an HIV- person?
In a way, the HIV+ person is compelled to ask themselves what the meaning of suffering and death are. So they are closer to the answer, and so could be seen to have less of a distance to travel in order to reach spiritual oneness with God.
I am specualting to a degree here, so please excuse my less than perfect answers.
Neither let us commit fornications as some of them committed,
and fell down dead in one day, three and twenty thousand.
I think punnishment is a bit inaccurate, its more like a negative consequence. There are many reported cases of people reversing HIV. Being born with HIV is a challenge, but no more than being born in a war zone.
I can only believe that if all our trouble is the consequence of our actions, then reincarnation can account for how a seemingly innocent person can be born HIV+. As far as I have been informed, reincarnation was in the Bible up until 334AD, Constantinople, and nowhere in the the Bible is reincarnation refuted. However do not read into this, that all who suffer deserve to suffer.
If we look at the book of Job, we see a man suffering for no reason, so God does sometimes allow Satan to inflict suffering on the faithful, to test their faith.
Either way, life is full of trials, and Satan will test us in many ways. Its how we react to the tests that are important. Being human, we are all terminally ill, to a certain extent, we all face death, so is the suffering of the HIV+ born, really substantiall different to an HIV- person?
In a way, the HIV+ person is compelled to ask themselves what the meaning of suffering and death are. So they are closer to the answer, and so could be seen to have less of a distance to travel in order to reach spiritual oneness with God.
I am specualting to a degree here, so please excuse my less than perfect answers.
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There is also the point that the mom may have never been unfaithful to her husband, but unknowingly contracted AIDS from an unfaithful husband. Things like that happen every day to thousands of wives and to men!
So just because a woman pregnant with a child has AIDS, this does not mean that she committed sexual sin. Not only would the child who contracted AIDS would be innocent, but the mother would also.
So just because a woman pregnant with a child has AIDS, this does not mean that she committed sexual sin. Not only would the child who contracted AIDS would be innocent, but the mother would also.
While this may offend some people, I tend to believe AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases are the result of people simply being irresponsible. We are always pressed to find a cure for these problems, but are we not trying to cure irresponsibility? The major problem I think is people simply don't care about getting AIDS, because they feel that could never happen to them. If we cure AIDS, people will be even more inclined to be irresponsible because they will feel like "Well, now I REALLY don't care". I'm not saying we don't cure AIDS, but I can see it spawning that kind of behavior. 
I realize some people simply don't have proper education to understand the implications of what they are doing and some people have special situations (which I won't tap into), but to me, it seems like people want to continue their ways. Like, you sin, but if there's a cure for your sin, you can do it again, and again, and again. When in reality there is no cure for sin that we can make. We already have been forgiven for our sins, we need to follow God away from irresponsible actions.
Our society seems so bent on curing problems we could easily solve if we just used our God given intelligence for a few seconds.
I realize some people simply don't have proper education to understand the implications of what they are doing and some people have special situations (which I won't tap into), but to me, it seems like people want to continue their ways. Like, you sin, but if there's a cure for your sin, you can do it again, and again, and again. When in reality there is no cure for sin that we can make. We already have been forgiven for our sins, we need to follow God away from irresponsible actions.
Our society seems so bent on curing problems we could easily solve if we just used our God given intelligence for a few seconds.
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