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Annihilation or Eternal Punishment?

Johann

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Annihilation or Eternal Punishment?
Robert Peterson

Annihilationism is the view that lost people in hell will be exterminated after they have paid the penalty for their sins. Its proponents offer six main arguments.

First is an argument based on the Bible's use of fire imagery to describe hell. We are told that fire consumes what is thrown into it, and so it will be for the lake of fire (Rev. 19:20; 20:10, 14, 15; 21:8)—it will burn up the wicked so that they no longer exist.

Second is an argument based on texts that speak of the lost perishing or being destroyed. Examples include unbelievers perishing (John 3:16) and suffering "the punishment of eternal destruction" (2 Thess. 1:8).

Third is an argument based on the meaning of the word eternal. In hell passages, it is claimed, eternal means only pertaining to "the age to come" and not "everlasting."

Fourth is an argument based on a distinction between time and eternity. Annihilationists ask: how is it just of God to punish sinners for eternity when their crimes were committed in time?

Fifth is an emotional argument that God Himself and His saints would never enjoy heaven if they knew some human beings (let alone loved ones and friends) were perpetually in hell.

Sixth is an argument that an eternal hell would tarnish God's victory over evil.
Scripture declares that God will be victorious in the end; He will "be all in all" (1 Cor. 15:28). We are told that this idea seems hard to reconcile with human beings suffering endlessly in hell.

I will answer each of these arguments in turn. First is the argument from hellfire. Many passages use this language without interpreting it. It is possible, therefore, to read various views into such passages, including annihilationism. However, we do not want to read our ideas into the Bible, but to get our ideas from the Bible. And when we do, we find that some passages preclude an annihilationist understanding of hellfire. These include Jesus's description of hell in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as a "place of torment" (Luke 16:28) involving "anguish in this flame" (v. 24).


When the last book of the Bible describes the flames of hell, it does not speak of consumption but says the lost "will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night" (Rev. 14:10–11).

Second is the argument from passages that speak of destruction or perishing. Once again, when Scripture merely uses these words without interpreting them, many views may be read into them. But once again, we want to read out of Scripture its meaning. And some passages are impossible to reconcile with annihilationism.


Paul describes the fate of the lost as suffering "the punishment of eternal destruction" (2 Thess. 1:8). Also telling is the fate of the Beast in Revelation. "Destruction" is prophesied for him in 17:8, 11. The Beast (along with the False Prophet) is cast into "the lake of fire that burns with sulfur" (19:20). Scripture is unambiguous when it describes the fate of the devil, Beast, and False Prophet in the lake of fire: "They will be tormented day and night forever and ever" (20:10). So, the Beast's "destruction" is everlasting torment in the lake of fire.

Third is the argument from the word eternal. In hell passages, it is claimed, eternal means only pertaining to "the age to come" and not "everlasting." It is true that in the New Testament, eternal means "agelong," with the context defining the age. And in texts treating eternal destinies, eternal does refer to the age to come.

But the age to come lasts as long as the life of the eternal God Himself.

Because He is eternal—He "lives forever and ever" (Rev. 4:9, 10; 10:6; 15:7)—so is the age to come. Jesus plainly sets this forth in His message on the sheep and goats: "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46; italics added). The punishment of the lost in hell is coextensive to the bliss of the righteous in heaven—both are everlasting.


Fourth is the argument that it is unjust of God to punish sinners eternally for temporal sins. It strikes me as presumptuous for human beings to tell God what is just and unjust. We would do better to determine from His Holy Word what He deems just and unjust.


Jesus leaves no doubt. He will say to the saved, "Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matt. 25:34). He will say to the lost, "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (v. 41). We have already seen John define that fire as eternal conscious punishment in the lake of fire for the devil (Rev. 20:10). A few verses later, we read that unsaved human beings share the same fate (vv. 14–15). Evidently, God thinks it just to punish human beings who rebel against Him and His holiness with everlasting hell. Is it really our place to call this unjust?

I will treat the fifth and sixth arguments together. The fifth is the emotional argument that God and His saints would never enjoy heaven if they knew loved ones and friends were forever in hell. The sixth is the argument that an eternal hell would tarnish God's victory over evil. It is noteworthy that universalists use these same two arguments to insist that God will finally save every human being. God and His people would not enjoy the bliss of heaven if even one soul remained in hell, they argue. In the end, everyone will be saved. And God would suffer defeat if any creatures made in His image were to perish forever.

I regard these arguments for annihilationism and universalism—from emotion and from God's victory—as rewriting the biblical story, something we have no right to do. I say this because the Bible's final three chapters present the eternal state of affairs. The resurrected saints will be blessed with God's eternal presence on the new earth (Rev. 21:1–4). And, interestingly for our present discussion, each of Scripture's final three chapters presents the fate of the unsaved:


And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (20:10)

Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown in to the lake of fire. (vv. 14–15)

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death. (21:8)

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. (22:14–15)

The Bible's story does not end by saying, "And the unrighteous were destroyed and exist no more." Neither does it say, "And in the end all persons will be gathered into the love of God and be saved." Rather, when God brings His story to a close, His people rejoice in endless bliss with Him on the new earth. But the wicked will endure never-ending torment in the lake of fire and be shut out of the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the joyous dwelling place of God and His people forever.

We have no right to rewrite the biblical story. Rather, we must leave it to God to define what is just and unjust and what is commensurate with His being "all in all." He does not leave us in doubt about hell because He loves sinners and wants them to believe the gospel in this life.

How kind and merciful of Him to include this invitation at the end of His story: "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come.' And let the one who hears say, 'Come.' And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price" (Rev. 22:17). All who trust Jesus in His death and resurrection to rescue them from hell will have a part in the Tree of Life and the Holy City of God. All who do so with all the saints can say now and will say forever:

Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for his judgments are true and just. (19:1–2)

let's see how @Butch5 redefines this.

It is true that in the New Testament, eternal means "agelong," with the context defining the age. And in texts treating eternal destinies, eternal does refer to the age to come.

But the age to come lasts as long as the life of the eternal God Himself.

Because He is eternal—He "lives forever and ever" (Rev. 4:9, 10; 10:6; 15:7)—so is the age to come.

Shalom
Johann
 
Annihilation or Eternal Punishment?
Robert Peterson

Annihilationism is the view that lost people in hell will be exterminated after they have paid the penalty for their sins. Its proponents offer six main arguments.

First is an argument based on the Bible's use of fire imagery to describe hell. We are told that fire consumes what is thrown into it, and so it will be for the lake of fire (Rev. 19:20; 20:10, 14, 15; 21:8)—it will burn up the wicked so that they no longer exist.

Second is an argument based on texts that speak of the lost perishing or being destroyed. Examples include unbelievers perishing (John 3:16) and suffering "the punishment of eternal destruction" (2 Thess. 1:8).

Third is an argument based on the meaning of the word eternal. In hell passages, it is claimed, eternal means only pertaining to "the age to come" and not "everlasting."

Fourth is an argument based on a distinction between time and eternity. Annihilationists ask: how is it just of God to punish sinners for eternity when their crimes were committed in time?

Fifth is an emotional argument that God Himself and His saints would never enjoy heaven if they knew some human beings (let alone loved ones and friends) were perpetually in hell.

Sixth is an argument that an eternal hell would tarnish God's victory over evil.
Scripture declares that God will be victorious in the end; He will "be all in all" (1 Cor. 15:28). We are told that this idea seems hard to reconcile with human beings suffering endlessly in hell.

I will answer each of these arguments in turn. First is the argument from hellfire. Many passages use this language without interpreting it. It is possible, therefore, to read various views into such passages, including annihilationism. However, we do not want to read our ideas into the Bible, but to get our ideas from the Bible. And when we do, we find that some passages preclude an annihilationist understanding of hellfire. These include Jesus's description of hell in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as a "place of torment" (Luke 16:28) involving "anguish in this flame" (v. 24).


When the last book of the Bible describes the flames of hell, it does not speak of consumption but says the lost "will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night" (Rev. 14:10–11).

Second is the argument from passages that speak of destruction or perishing. Once again, when Scripture merely uses these words without interpreting them, many views may be read into them. But once again, we want to read out of Scripture its meaning. And some passages are impossible to reconcile with annihilationism.


Paul describes the fate of the lost as suffering "the punishment of eternal destruction" (2 Thess. 1:8). Also telling is the fate of the Beast in Revelation. "Destruction" is prophesied for him in 17:8, 11. The Beast (along with the False Prophet) is cast into "the lake of fire that burns with sulfur" (19:20). Scripture is unambiguous when it describes the fate of the devil, Beast, and False Prophet in the lake of fire: "They will be tormented day and night forever and ever" (20:10). So, the Beast's "destruction" is everlasting torment in the lake of fire.

Third is the argument from the word eternal. In hell passages, it is claimed, eternal means only pertaining to "the age to come" and not "everlasting." It is true that in the New Testament, eternal means "agelong," with the context defining the age. And in texts treating eternal destinies, eternal does refer to the age to come.

But the age to come lasts as long as the life of the eternal God Himself.

Because He is eternal—He "lives forever and ever" (Rev. 4:9, 10; 10:6; 15:7)—so is the age to come. Jesus plainly sets this forth in His message on the sheep and goats: "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46; italics added). The punishment of the lost in hell is coextensive to the bliss of the righteous in heaven—both are everlasting.


Fourth is the argument that it is unjust of God to punish sinners eternally for temporal sins. It strikes me as presumptuous for human beings to tell God what is just and unjust. We would do better to determine from His Holy Word what He deems just and unjust.


Jesus leaves no doubt. He will say to the saved, "Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matt. 25:34). He will say to the lost, "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (v. 41). We have already seen John define that fire as eternal conscious punishment in the lake of fire for the devil (Rev. 20:10). A few verses later, we read that unsaved human beings share the same fate (vv. 14–15). Evidently, God thinks it just to punish human beings who rebel against Him and His holiness with everlasting hell. Is it really our place to call this unjust?

I will treat the fifth and sixth arguments together. The fifth is the emotional argument that God and His saints would never enjoy heaven if they knew loved ones and friends were forever in hell. The sixth is the argument that an eternal hell would tarnish God's victory over evil. It is noteworthy that universalists use these same two arguments to insist that God will finally save every human being. God and His people would not enjoy the bliss of heaven if even one soul remained in hell, they argue. In the end, everyone will be saved. And God would suffer defeat if any creatures made in His image were to perish forever.

I regard these arguments for annihilationism and universalism—from emotion and from God's victory—as rewriting the biblical story, something we have no right to do. I say this because the Bible's final three chapters present the eternal state of affairs. The resurrected saints will be blessed with God's eternal presence on the new earth (Rev. 21:1–4). And, interestingly for our present discussion, each of Scripture's final three chapters presents the fate of the unsaved:


And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (20:10)

Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown in to the lake of fire. (vv. 14–15)

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death. (21:8)

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. (22:14–15)

The Bible's story does not end by saying, "And the unrighteous were destroyed and exist no more." Neither does it say, "And in the end all persons will be gathered into the love of God and be saved." Rather, when God brings His story to a close, His people rejoice in endless bliss with Him on the new earth. But the wicked will endure never-ending torment in the lake of fire and be shut out of the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the joyous dwelling place of God and His people forever.

We have no right to rewrite the biblical story. Rather, we must leave it to God to define what is just and unjust and what is commensurate with His being "all in all." He does not leave us in doubt about hell because He loves sinners and wants them to believe the gospel in this life.

How kind and merciful of Him to include this invitation at the end of His story: "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come.' And let the one who hears say, 'Come.' And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price" (Rev. 22:17). All who trust Jesus in His death and resurrection to rescue them from hell will have a part in the Tree of Life and the Holy City of God. All who do so with all the saints can say now and will say forever:

Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for his judgments are true and just. (19:1–2)

let's see how @Butch5 redefines this.

It is true that in the New Testament, eternal means "agelong," with the context defining the age. And in texts treating eternal destinies, eternal does refer to the age to come.

But the age to come lasts as long as the life of the eternal God Himself.

Because He is eternal—He "lives forever and ever" (Rev. 4:9, 10; 10:6; 15:7)—so is the age to come.

Shalom
Johann
I'll address it when I have time. But once again it's laced with fallacies. It also assumes, without proving, that it is possible for man to live eternally so he comes to the texts with the wrong preconceptions. This is just more of the same that you’ve been posting. The only difference is that he agrees that the age to come is unending as I pointed out in the post to @KingJ.
 
I'll address it when I have time. But once again it's laced with fallacies. It also assumes, without proving, that it is possible for man to live eternally so he comes to the texts with the wrong preconceptions. This is just more of the same that you’ve been posting. The only difference is that he agrees that the age to come is unending as I pointed out in the post to @KingJ.

I'll address it when I have time. But once again it's laced with fallacies. It also assumes, without proving, that it is possible for man to live eternally so he comes to the texts with the wrong preconceptions. This is just more of the same that you’ve been posting. The only difference is that he agrees that the age to come is unending as I pointed out in the post to @KingJ.
 
I'll address it when I have time. But once again it's laced with fallacies. It also assumes, without proving, that it is possible for man to live eternally so he comes to the texts with the wrong preconceptions. This is just more of the same that you’ve been posting. The only difference is that he agrees that the age to come is unending as I pointed out in the post to @KingJ.
'The soul that sinneth it shall die' (Ezekiel 18:4 & 20)
'All have sinned and come short of the glory of God' (Romans 3:23)
So all die.

* Yes, it is assumed that man has an immortal soul. That it therefore does not die. So the question then is, where does it go when the body dies? When in fact the soul is the whole man in whom is the breath of life. When the breath of life (spirit) returns to God, the soul (or the whole man animated by life) dies.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'The soul that sinneth it shall die' (Ezekiel 18:4 & 20)
'All have sinned and come short of the glory of God' (Romans 3:23)
So all die.

* Yes, it is assumed that man has an immortal soul. That it therefore does not die. So the question then is, where does it go when the body dies? When in fact the soul is the whole man in whom is the breath of life. When the breath of life (spirit) returns to God, the soul (or the whole man animated by life) dies.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Forgive me for answering in his stead, but he would reply...."to the grave"
 
Forgive me for answering in his stead, but he would reply...."to the grave"
Hello @Johann,

Yes, and I would be in agreement with that answer. For the middle English word 'Hell' chosen by the translators for such words as, hades, sheol, tartaroo and Gehenna, has the meaning of 'to hide away' and is used for the place of the dead. Therefore meaning 'the grave'. The only word which has any connection with fire and judgment is Gehenna, which is used by our Lord in relation to end time judgment.

Only by the power of the resurrection will mankind rise from the grave.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Hello @Johann,

Yes, and I would be in agreement with that answer. For the middle English word 'Hell' chosen by the translators for such words as, hades, sheol, tartaroo and Gehenna, has the meaning of 'to hide away' and is used for the place of the dead. Therefore meaning 'the grave'. The only word which has any connection with fire and judgment is Gehenna, which is used by our Lord in relation to end time judgment.

Only by the power of the resurrection will mankind rise from the grave.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Cannot agree with you.
FAMOUS LAST WORDS
Of Jesus…
On the Cross
After He Rose from the Grave
After He Rose from the Earth

FAMOUS LAST WORDS - The last words of any dying person are always worth our full attention. Is not the question when a loved one dies, "Did they have any LAST WORDS?" And so we desire to hear and heed the LAST WORDS of the greatest Man the world has ever known! Let us linger and ponder the FAMOUS LAST WORDS of our Savior, Redeemer and Friend, at the CRUCIFIXION, after His RESURRECTION and in His GLORIFICATION.

FAMOUS LAST WORDS AS HE WAS CRUCIFIED - Jesus spoke seven times while hanging on the Cross.

(1) He prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Luke 23:34).

(2) He promised one of the criminals crucified with Him, "Today you shall be with Me in paradise" (Luke 23:43).

(3) He spoke to His mother, "Woman, behold Your Son!" and to John, "Behold, your mother!" (John 19:26-27).

(4) "About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?”" (Mt. 27:46; Mark 15:34).

(5) "After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, in order that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said 'I thirst.'" (John 19:28).

(6) He said, "It is finished!" (Tetelestai - "Paid in Full!") (John 19:30).

Yes, indeed
Finished, ev’ry jot
Sinner, this is all you need
Tell me, is it not?
- Ira Sankey

(7) He cried, "Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit" (Luke 23:46).

When our Savior cried out these FAMOUS LAST WORDS from the Cross "with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. Behold, the VEIL of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom" (Mt 27:50-51), the VEIL through which we now "have confidence (boldness) to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the (rent) VEIL, that is, His (rent) FLESH. (Hebrews 10:19-20)

FAMOUS LAST WORDS AFTER HE ROSE FROM THE GRAVE - Some of His last words to His disciples (which includes us beloved) were "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Mt 28:18-20) "You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth." (Acts 1:8)

FAMOUS LAST WORDS AFTER HE ROSE FROM THE EARTH WAS GLORIFIED - And after He was glorified He spoke His last words in the last chapter of the last book of the Bible - “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end… Yes, I am coming quickly." (Rev 22:12-13, 20)

To which we give the only proper response "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!"

An ancient legend says that in the early church a believer was about to be martyred for his faith in the Messiah and as they tied his hands to the stake, they asked if he had any last words, to which he jubilantly shouted "He is risen!" Unknown to the authorities, in the surrounding hills, the followers of Christ had gathered to watch the execution. When they heard the martyr's last words "He is risen," they cried out with one voice "He is risen indeed!"

HE IS RISEN INDEED!

Below are the powerful words of the great Phillip Bliss hymn "Halleljujah! What a Savior" (Click version of Hallelujah What a Savior sung by my home church, The Austin Stone)

Man of Sorrows! what a Name

For the Son of God, Who came

Ruined sinners to reclaim.

Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Bearing shame and scoffing rude,

In my place condemned He stood;

Sealed my pardon with His blood.

Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Guilty, vile, and helpless we;

Spotless Lamb of God was He;

“Full atonement!” can it be?

Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Lifted up was He to die;

“It is finished!” was His cry;

Now in Heav’n exalted high.

Hallelujah! What a Savior!

When He comes, our glorious King,

All His ransomed home to bring,

Then anew His song we’ll sing:

Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Act 7:59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

As soon as Stephen bore public testimony to seeing the heavens opened, the mob refused to listen to him further; they cried fiercely, charged upon him, dragged him outside the city walls and stoned him.
As if incidentally, the Spirit records the name of a young man who stood guard over the clothes of the perspiring executioners. The name was Saul. It is as if the Spirit would say to us, “Remember that name. You will hear it again!”
Stephen's death resembled that of our Lord:
1. He prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit” (v. 59). Jesus had prayed, “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit” (Luk_23:46).
2. He prayed, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin” (v. 60). Jesus had prayed, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do” (Luk_23:34).
Does it not suggest that through occupation with the Lord, Stephen had been “transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord” (2Co_3:18)?
Then, having prayed, he fell asleep. When the word “sleep” is used in connection with death in the NT, it refers to the body, not the soul. The believer's soul goes to be with Christ at the time of death (2Co_5:8); the body is pictured as sleeping.

God bless
Johann
 
@Johann said:-
Then, having prayed, he fell asleep. When the word “sleep” is used in connection with death in the NT, it refers to the body, not the soul. The believer's soul goes to be with Christ at the time of death (2Co_5:8); the body is pictured as sleeping.

'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.'
(Gen 2:7)
 
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