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Babies do not sin Babies are Sinners They are Born Sinners and what do Sinners do? At the perfect Opportunity They Sin, Why Because They Are SINNERS

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The Original Sin: we are Born Sinners we are not Sinners because we sin, We sin because we are Sinners by Birth. Sinning is Our, natural Nature.
You do not teach babies little kids to lie, it comes nature, you do not teach babies how to bite people when they get teeth to inflict pain when they get mad you did not teach your baby to hit you beside your head with a full bottle of Milk in a glass bottle, The want to inflict pain! IT is A natural INSTINCT, that is why you must disciple them and Put the fear of God in them early if you don't that kid will Kill you and every body on the block, That is why, you do not buy your kid a "AR-15" and Modify it and buy "Military Rounds" and teach him how to shoot it! It is just like the man thought it was funny, letting His "chimpanzee" pick up his "Semi Automatic" high power rifle. fully loaded.:eyes: A lot of parents and churches teach little sinners how to act like Angels of Light. they make them act and dress like little cuties pies.

Note; just last week a grandmother said; on one of those "question" blogs. " how do I tell my little granddaughter's parents this Little girl is a devil, and do not want her over my house no more! I do not want to baby sit no more, she is a devil!:sob:


You do not teach your dog about sex.:eyes: you do not teach you kids how to sin, they know that. That is why you say No and They say No too!:eyes: you do not teach you child how to steal and lie.Let them see something they want! They steal it and you will not know it. had 6 , 3 boys and 3 girls.The best of them are the best of Thieves. They learn Quick the dumb ones get caught. But when you Know They all are sinners you have the ups on them! Not only will you find out they are thieves they are Liars too! I don't care how sweet your daughter look and talks and have that innocent look, if she confess and show you her hand, you better check the other one, Then the next time she will show you both hands, Then you check her shoes.:eyes:

I had a next door neighbor who son was Brilliant he was about 8 years old then. You know one of Those Students they paid you for letting them come to your school or University. They can not go to regular schools they go to schools for the gifted. at that age 6-7 and up are more intelligent than the teachers. The teachers can not teach them anything. by 15 they are Graduating from The University like Yale, Harvard, Brown, Stanford, with a "Doctorate".
He was telling me about his son, His son, would be treating him like he was dumb, HIs son be acting innocent and act like he doesn't know what his daddy told him to do, and then he start using those "BIG WORDS" on him, that he knows his daddy don't know. And he told me I don't know those words and his daddy is a Grad from "NORTH WESTERN UNIVERSITY" in Chicago, and his Mother is a big Time Lawyer who take care of General Motors accounts in "Africa"!
He said when he WOULD Do that to Him, he SAID: understand this, you little **^&%$^& I WILL get my belt, I bet YOU will understand What I mean!:sob::sob::sob: He understands that!:eyes: He thinks I' m dumb. So I have had a lot conversation with that kid, He can't not pull that on me either, Neither can His High Ranking Mother. Who bought a Island!:sob: She cannot out talk me, she also saying "hi Chris":heart_eyes: LOL!

Yes they are Sinners by BIRTH and Not by sinning! "The results from The "ORIGINAL SIN". Adam and Eve became unholy Creatures sold their souls to The devil and their souls change and become corrupted and became unholy the way of honoring and with delight the lies of The devil and they Had Turn their backs on GOD their own CREATOR and Sold their Souls to the DEVIL willingly. So WHEN SINNERS mate they Produce Sinners and Sinners sin for it is their nature and delight! They are not sinners because they sin, They sin because they are SINNERs By birth! Dog beget dog, cats begets cat, cows beget Cows and Sinners beget Sinners! all are Sinners! There is None righteous No Not one baby! For STRONG Meat, is for the STRONG! But sinners have no problem Aborting Babies! why, because Sinners sin that is their nature. why they commit fornication because sinners sins, why they commit Adultery because sinners sins, why they commit Homosexual acts, because sinners sins. why people kill because sinners sins. And the only reason you are not a homosexual it is because The Grace of GOD!

How easy is that to understand, worldly people and some people I can understand it is kinda difficult. . "Strong MEAT" is only for The "Fully developed" Saint, Others They cannot handle the " The Truth"! Strong MEAT! is only for the Fully Develop Saints, Those Of Full Age! And Not Overly Grown Spiritual Teenagers And Young And Old Adults, But Of "Full Age". "THE MYSTERION" IS HERE AGAIN!

American Standard Version
But solid food is For Fullgrown Men, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.
King James Bible
But Strong Meat Belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


NASB 1977
“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

Strong Meat is only for The Strong! Those of "FULL AGE"
 
The Original Sin: we are Born Sinners we are not Sinners because we sin, We sin because we are Sinners by Birth. Sinning is Our, natural Nature.
You do not teach babies little kids to lie, it comes nature, you do not teach babies how to bite people when they get teeth to inflict pain when they get mad you did not teach your baby to hit you beside your head with a full bottle of Milk in a glass bottle, The want to inflict pain! IT is A natural INSTINCT, that is why you must disciple them and Put the fear of God in them early if you don't that kid will Kill you and every body on the block, That is why, you do not buy your kid a "AR-15" and Modify it and buy "Military Rounds" and teach him how to shoot it! It is just like the man thought it was funny, letting His "chimpanzee" pick up his "Semi Automatic" high power rifle. fully loaded.:eyes: A lot of parents and churches teach little sinners how to act like Angels of Light. they make them act and dress like little cuties pies.

Note; just last week a grandmother said; on one of those "question" blogs. " how do I tell my little granddaughter's parents this Little girl is a devil, and do not want her over my house no more! I do not want to baby sit no more, she is a devil!:sob:


You do not teach your dog about sex.:eyes: you do not teach you kids how to sin, they know that. That is why you say No and They say No too!:eyes: you do not teach you child how to steal and lie.Let them see something they want! They steal it and you will not know it. had 6 , 3 boys and 3 girls.The best of them are the best of Thieves. They learn Quick the dumb ones get caught. But when you Know They all are sinners you have the ups on them! Not only will you find out they are thieves they are Liars too! I don't care how sweet your daughter look and talks and have that innocent look, if she confess and show you her hand, you better check the other one, Then the next time she will show you both hands, Then you check her shoes.:eyes:

I had a next door neighbor who son was Brilliant he was about 8 years old then. You know one of Those Students they paid you for letting them come to your school or University. They can not go to regular schools they go to schools for the gifted. at that age 6-7 and up are more intelligent than the teachers. The teachers can not teach them anything. by 15 they are Graduating from The University like Yale, Harvard, Brown, Stanford, with a "Doctorate".
He was telling me about his son, His son, would be treating him like he was dumb, HIs son be acting innocent and act like he doesn't know what his daddy told him to do, and then he start using those "BIG WORDS" on him, that he knows his daddy don't know. And he told me I don't know those words and his daddy is a Grad from "NORTH WESTERN UNIVERSITY" in Chicago, and his Mother is a big Time Lawyer who take care of General Motors accounts in "Africa"!
He said when he WOULD Do that to Him, he SAID: understand this, you little **^&%$^& I WILL get my belt, I bet YOU will understand What I mean!:sob::sob::sob: He understands that!:eyes: He thinks I' m dumb. So I have had a lot conversation with that kid, He can't not pull that on me either, Neither can His High Ranking Mother. Who bought a Island!:sob: She cannot out talk me, she also saying "hi Chris":heart_eyes: LOL!

Yes they are Sinners by BIRTH and Not by sinning! "The results from The "ORIGINAL SIN". Adam and Eve became unholy Creatures sold their souls to The devil and their souls change and become corrupted and became unholy the way of honoring and with delight the lies of The devil and they Had Turn their backs on GOD their own CREATOR and Sold their Souls to the DEVIL willingly. So WHEN SINNERS mate they Produce Sinners and Sinners sin for it is their nature and delight! They are not sinners because they sin, They sin because they are SINNERs By birth! Dog beget dog, cats begets cat, cows beget Cows and Sinners beget Sinners! all are Sinners! There is None righteous No Not one baby! For STRONG Meat, is for the STRONG! But sinners have no problem Aborting Babies! why, because Sinners sin that is their nature. why they commit fornication because sinners sins, why they commit Adultery because sinners sins, why they commit Homosexual acts, because sinners sins. why people kill because sinners sins. And the only reason you are not a homosexual it is because The Grace of GOD!

How easy is that to understand, worldly people and some people I can understand it is kinda difficult. . "Strong MEAT" is only for The "Fully developed" Saint, Others They cannot handle the " The Truth"! Strong MEAT! is only for the Fully Develop Saints, Those Of Full Age! And Not Overly Grown Spiritual Teenagers And Young And Old Adults, But Of "Full Age". "THE MYSTERION" IS HERE AGAIN!

American Standard Version
But solid food is For Fullgrown Men, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.
King James Bible
But Strong Meat Belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


NASB 1977
“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

Strong Meat is only for The Strong! Those of "FULL AGE"

Deuteronomy 1:39
And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

Isaiah 7:15-16
He shall eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be deserted.

Jonah 4:11
And should not I pity Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also much cattle?”

Romans 9:11
though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad

A "sinner" is someone who actually DOES something that is against the Teachings of the Holy Bible

A new born baby, for example, cannot DO anything either good or bad. This is very clear from these passages in the Bible, that there is a time, known only to the Lord, where all infants are "innocent", like the son of David, who died, who David said that he would be with after his own death, will not be eternally lost. The Bible does not contradict itself.
 
Deuteronomy 1:39
And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

Isaiah 7:15-16
He shall eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be deserted.

Jonah 4:11
And should not I pity Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also much cattle?”

Romans 9:11
though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad

A "sinner" is someone who actually DOES something that is against the Teachings of the Holy Bible

A new born baby, for example, cannot DO anything either good or bad. This is very clear from these passages in the Bible, that there is a time, known only to the Lord, where all infants are "innocent", like the son of David, who died, who David said that he would be with after his own death, will not be eternally lost. The Bible does not contradict itself.
I will step back and let other members, "Kumite"[contend] with you, on your reply. This is PloughBoy, and will step aside. let others engage. That some might exercise their Gift that GOD has given them. Don't be afraid, give it a shot. I will not interfere. but when I do, It will be for "edification" and that will be all.:pensive:

So go ahead give it a shot. Because at The time of the "MILLENNIUM REIGN". is not a time for practice. or either you might just prefer to be a "gate keeper", and there is nothing wrong in being a gate keeper in "The New Jerusalem" the city that have "Streets Paved of Pure Gold" and 12 Gates Made Of Pearls.

New King James Version
For a day in Your courts is better than a thousand. I Would Rather Be A Doorkeeper In the house of my God Than dwell in the tents of wickedness.:pensive:

New American Standard Bible
For a day in Your courtyards is better than a thousand elsewhere. I would rather stand at the threshold of the house of my God Than live in the tents of wickedness.:pensive:

PloughBoy.
 
Original sin does not eqaute to being born 'with' sin. That is a man made insertion and opinion.

Original sin only means the ''original sin' that caused sin to enter the world.

I highly recommend that many first go learn English grammar, spelling and comprehension before reading and teaching from the English bible.
 

Babies do not sin Babies are Sinners They are Born Sinners and what do Sinners do? At the perfect Opportunity They Sin, Why Because They Are SINNERS​


Please explain how exactly a baby sins.
 


The Best Age to Start Swim Lessons
Studies show that the best time for a child to start learning swim basics is between the ages of 1 and 4. However, infants aged 6 months to 3 years can participate in Parent and Child Lessons at the Y to start enjoying and getting acclimated to the water.Nov 9, 2020

My wife took mines to school to learn how to swim when they were babies. A swimming class full of babies learning how to swim.

If the gun fits his or hers hands they can shoot it, If they can lift it and aim it! Let that baby start crying and wants it Bottle! and you are standing in the room and you ain't going fast enough! :eyes: have ever see a baby boy being Breast fed, when he is hungry! and she is not moving fast enough.

I am 71 years old, when I was young "Breast feeding was normal, in Public! And not A crime and she did not cover up! :eyes:
 



The Best Age to Start Swim Lessons
Studies show that the best time for a child to start learning swim basics is between the ages of 1 and 4. However, infants aged 6 months to 3 years can participate in Parent and Child Lessons at the Y to start enjoying and getting acclimated to the water.Nov 9, 2020

My wife took mines to school to learn how to swim when they were babies. A swimming class full of babies learning how to swim.

If the gun fits his or hers hands they can shoot it, If they can lift it and aim it! Let that baby start crying and wants it Bottle! and you are standing in the room and you ain't going fast enough! :eyes: have ever see a baby boy being Breast fed, when he is hungry! and she is not moving fast enough.

I am 71 years old, when I was young "Breast feeding was normal, in Public! And not A crime and she did not cover up! :eyes:

I asked 'if a baby' can, not a toddler. Lets discuss baby first, then we can discuss toddler.
 
I asked 'if a baby' can, not a toddler. Lets discuss baby first, then we can discuss toddler.
You pick, have it your way and I will have it my way.

Toddler

Description

A toddler is a child approximately 12 to 36 months old, though definitions vary. The toddler years are a time of great cognitive, emotional and social development. The word is derived from "to toddle", which means to walk unsteadily, like a child of this age. Wikipedi

The English language has several terms for children between the ages of birth and 4 years, including newborn, infant, baby, and toddler. These terms are often used interchangeably for various ages of young children and may mean different things to different people. Here's a look at each of these terms, what age range they apply to, and an overview of the growth and development you can expect during that time.



Babies, Newborns, and Infants​

Though the terms "baby," "newborn," and "infant" are frequently used synonymously, the exact definition depends on the source you consult.


Definitions​

  • Newborn usually refers to a baby from birth to about 2 monthsof age.
  • Infants can be considered children anywhere from birth to 1 year old.
  • Baby can be used to refer to any child from birth to age 4 years old, thus encompassing newborns, infants, and toddlers.
  • Baby in Christ: Who are in need of Milk. :) ? :eyes: Guess? "Depends":eyes: . IF, they have no teeth. do you Understand "Greek"? if So, read it and weep.:sob:
Excuse me, and forgive me please, but my communication skills today, are not at its best.
Your quote:
"Lets discuss baby first,"


Ok, baby! :sob: The Twenty First Century is something else, you never know what you may get. In a Box Chocolates!
PloughBoy
 
You pick, have it your way and I will have it my way.

Toddler

Description

A toddler is a child approximately 12 to 36 months old, though definitions vary. The toddler years are a time of great cognitive, emotional and social development. The word is derived from "to toddle", which means to walk unsteadily, like a child of this age. Wikipedi

The English language has several terms for children between the ages of birth and 4 years, including newborn, infant, baby, and toddler. These terms are often used interchangeably for various ages of young children and may mean different things to different people. Here's a look at each of these terms, what age range they apply to, and an overview of the growth and development you can expect during that time.



Babies, Newborns, and Infants​

Though the terms "baby," "newborn," and "infant" are frequently used synonymously, the exact definition depends on the source you consult.


Definitions​

  • Newborn usually refers to a baby from birth to about 2 monthsof age.
  • Infants can be considered children anywhere from birth to 1 year old.
  • Baby can be used to refer to any child from birth to age 4 years old, thus encompassing newborns, infants, and toddlers.
  • Baby in Christ: Who are in need of Milk. :) ? :eyes: Guess? "Depends":eyes: . IF, they have no teeth. do you Understand "Greek"? if So, read it and weep.:sob:
Excuse me, and forgive me please, but my communication skills today, are not at its best.
Your quote:
"Lets discuss baby first,"

Ok, baby! :sob: The Twenty First Century is something else, you never know what you may get. In a Box Chocolates!
PloughBoy

Good post, but now back to the question. How does a baby sin?
 
Ploughboy, you are dodging a simple question.

Sin is disobedience to God's laws. As God is perfectly good, sin can also be defined as choosing to do what is wicked.

A baby cannot do this.
 
Ploughboy, you are dodging a simple question.

Sin is disobedience to God's laws. As God is perfectly good, sin can also be defined as choosing to do what is wicked.

A baby cannot do this.
Why would I answer you? You are Not my GOD, Neither are you My FATHER, and People like you My GOD has Commanded ME, to AVOID you.
I am commanded to be in Obedience.

Now,I have answer you.

For You, Travel on The BROAD Road, for there Are many who think just like you. And The road That I travel, only a few travels, as we think. For this Path is Narrow. and many cannot even find it.:pensive:

For you sir, For Those of The Whole World thinks exactly like you! and Out NUMBER us In GREAT Numbers, For the WORLD is Your People and not ours!:pensive:


"A highway will be there, a roadway, And it will be called the Highway of Holiness. The unclean will not travel on it, But it will be for him who walks that way, And fools will not wander on it."


Luke 13:24
"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able.

"Enter through then narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, And Only A Few Find It.…"

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, Because They Did Not Receive The Love Of The Truth, That They Might Be Saved. And For This Reason God Will Send Them Strong Delusion, That They Should Believe The Lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

PloughBoy, "Search The Scripture, for in Them You Think you have Eternal life"
 
Some babies are natural-born liars.

Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go
astray from birth.
_
 
Some babies are natural-born liars.

Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go
astray from birth.
_

You are cherry picking that scripture and logic is nowhere to be found.

That babies cannot sin is a fact. One that a Christian will only embarrass themselves to disagree with. If your mind cannot deduce what is logical, better then the unsaved, Paul has a pretty harsh rebuke for you in 1 Cor 6:1-7.

The context of Psalm 58:3 is that babies of the wicked grow up in wickedness. From day one they see their parents continue in evil. The children of Christians by contrast would not grow up the same way. They would attend church and year the gospel from day one.

Consider these scriptures for context.

Deut 1:39 Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

Matt 18:3-4 and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Rom 9:11 for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls,
 
FAQ: Why did Jesus say it's a "must" to be born again? (John 3:7)

REPLY: Because some folks were born wrong the first time.

For example: David believed he was a sinner even before he was a baby; right at
the moment of his conception.

Ps 51:5 . . Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived
me.

Apparently it isn't necessary to commit a sin in order to be classified as a sinner.
It's the nature of our species. For example a lion need not eat meat to be classified
as a carnivore because it's the nature of his species.

Rom 3:23 . . all have sinned.

In order for the past-tense grammar of that verse to be true of "all" then everyone
from the first to last, is classified as a sinner: even folks who have yet to be born in
the future. They too "have sinned" because God can see things about them that we
cannot see.

Now again, in order for the past-tense grammar of that verse to be true of "all"
then it has to include every baby; even those not yet born.
_
 
FAQ: Why did Jesus say it's a "must" to be born again? (John 3:7)

REPLY: Because some folks were born wrong the first time.

For example: David believed he was a sinner even before he was a baby; right at
the moment of his conception.

Ps 51:5 . . Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived
me.

Apparently it isn't necessary to commit a sin in order to be classified as a sinner.
It's the nature of our species. For example a lion need not eat meat to be classified
as a carnivore because it's the nature of his species.

Rom 3:23 . . all have sinned.

In order for the past-tense grammar of that verse to be true of "all" then everyone
from the first to last, is classified as a sinner: even folks who have yet to be born in
the future. They too "have sinned" because God can see things about them that we
cannot see.

Now again, in order for the past-tense grammar of that verse to be true of "all"
then it has to include every baby; even those not yet born.
_

Your quote
FAQ: Why did Jesus say it's a "must" to be born again? (John 3:7)

My reply: It does not matter! For we who are 'The Sons of The LIVING GOD" Born of GOD, It does NOT matter, we Know who we are!

And to you "Nicodemus" The LORD SAID:

[Don't even think about it Nicodemus, what I have said; about being "born form above"]
[Do not Nicodemus even wonder about it, The words I speak about being "Born from Above"]
Don't even think about it! Nicodemus!:pensive:



King James Bible
Marvel not :pensive:that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

New King James Version

DO NOT MARVEL :pensive: that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

But you have the Audacity to do so. and to Compel others to do so, in following you!

Sad, sad, and sad. by doing this, you
think you are Honoring "GOD":pensive:
Sir you have "Miss The MARK":pensive:
 
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