BLM movement -----we shall know them by there fruit

[Dave M]

"Do you feel the latest protests have made race relations better? Do you feel the latest protests have brought peace, love, or kindness? Why not? here is a thought....What if the fruit of a tree cannot produce anything other than what is at the root?
What if Marxist seeds can only produce Marxist trees.
This is why the message of Rev Martin Luther King Jr., which was firmly rooted in the Bible, could ONLY ULTIMATELY bring love and BLM, which rejects the Bible and is rooted in Marxism, cannot. The seed matters. The roots matter. an apple tree can convince you that it only produces figs - but if you water it, nurture it, and give it time - it's fruit will reveal ONLY what is truly in it's roots. sorry fig lovers, but a tree can't produce what it doesn't have. So many amazing Christians have clung to BLM believing that it would produce loving fruit but harvest is here and now we know the truth - the fruit is none other than hate. Now that we know the fruit, let us no longer lie about the roots.
In this video from last Wednesday, hundreds of BLM protestors marched through the streets chanting "Death to America." why? because it is in the roots."

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Thanks for bringing up this topic. I think it is very important to talk about this topic.

As a Black Male who is a Christian (Identity in Christ), I would say that there are many layers to this.


First there is the name of the movement, which has many connotations.

Second, there is the method of the movement,

and Third there is the goal of the movement.



The name of the movement (Black Lives Matter).
So my understanding is that there are generally two categories ( a gross generalization), those who feel offended by the name and others that seem to empathize.

My understanding is that the issue of police brutality combined with the history of racism in the United States (Slavery, Jim Crow laws, KKK, etc) leaves many African Americans to feel that their lives don't matter. This seems supported by the history including the Dredd Scott Case which ruled that Blacks were 3/5 of a human person. As a result of the history and the many cases of police brutality the Black community feels as if their experience of the law enforcement system is much different from Whites, thus their rallying call is "Black Lives Matter", because their perception is that their current treatment and history shows that their lives don't matter.

There is another category which I observe which feel offended when they hear the term Black Lives Matter, and the response is to say "All Lives Matter" or "Blue Lives Matter". My thoughts is that their perception is that the name "Black Lives Matter" is divisive or is about Black Pride, when in essence we are all one human race.

However when I reflect on the response All Lives Matter or Blue Lives Matter I think such a response is misguided. First, yes we are all one human race but whenever you persecute a people it will lead them to group together for protection. Secondly, the phrase All Lives Matter seems to be a response that seeks to silence discussion rather than dialogue about racism. Normally when one says "All Lives Matter" that is all they say end of discussion. They don't ask, what do you mean by that, or tell me why are you hurting. Thirdly, the response Blue lives matter seems to communicate as if Black are saying lets kill police. In the Black community (Mainstream) the discussion that we have among ourselves is not about killing the police but about being treated as humans by them. We too love the police. No one (Mainstream Black community) Is against the police. We are against police brutality (we all should be). It just so happens that police brutality mostly happens to Blacks so those who don't experience it think it does not exist. During the [HASH=5427]#Me2[/HASH] movement which raised awareness to sexual harassment, if the slogan was "Women's privacy matter" and men were to respond "Everyone's privacy matter" I would think, why are you so threatened by women acknowledging their mistreatment, and I would think, wow you really don't get it do you.

Concerning the method of the movement, the method is mostly protesting and there are also boycotts that are happening. There is a facebook group of 1 +million Black people on facebook, and they have planned various economic boycotts to show economic solitary. For now I think we are talking about the protest. I think protesting is obviously the message of those who don't feel that they are being heard. America has a history of protesting. There was the Boston Tea party for example in which property was destroyed by the citizens but it is celebrated in US history books because the reason for the struggle seemed to condone the method in the eyes of those writing the textbooks.

It seems that some of the protest have turned violent unfortunately but not most. There are thousands of protest that have not turned violent. For example in my town, here there was a BLM protest that was not violent. Actually in our state I think there were over 100 protest in Maryland and I'm only aware of 1 which was violent (In Baltimore City). So I think that the negative ones are over shadowing the many peaceful ones which have no violence at all. As a Christian I don't condone violence however I can understand why people who feel oppressed act that way. Obviously as Christians violence is not our method. The State Massachusetts has on its license plate, "give me liberty of give me death" and people understand. The death connotes (in my opinion) the use of violence to get liberty. However I imagine if the BLM slogan was "give me liberty of give me death" many would be speaking of how it was a terrible slogan. So once again. As Christians violence is not the way, however it seems that society has a difference narrative when different groups use violence.


The goal of the movement is to be treated as humans. To be treated fairly. How can you argue with someone who wants to be treated like a human being? You may argue with their methods or their slogans, but we dare not
as Christians argue with their request to be seen as equal, no matter how misguided we may think their methods are. As a Black man I will say that there are some situations in which the Black Male that was killed
by police was in the wrong. For example, if you are fighting the police, or running away, or reaching for a weapon, or not responding to commands, than you will put your life at risk. Being a police is a dangerous job and society is getting worst. Police officers experience much trauma and often times are quick to shot, and there are many incidences where it is questionable if the Black male was in the right. However, with that said, the statistics seem to show
that even in situations where a white male is running from the Police, they are way least likely to lose their lives. I see news reports where a White man has a gun and shoots 11 people and kills them and the police arrest Him and take him to burger Mcdonalds because he is hungry, than I see a black man, kills no one, is running away and gets shot 20 times; While the White man with the gun who killed 11 people is taken alive. WOW. In the Black community this is what we say, when we hear on the news there is a suspect taken into custody who was shooting, we say, "Ooh He must be White" because if he was Black the police would have killed him. I'm by far one of the less threatening Black Men you'll ever meet but I've had my own incidents of racial profiling and abuse by police ( I won't share now). The news is also very biased. For example when a crime happens if the person is black the headline will say "Black male kill women" but if the criminal is white the race is not mentions but it will say "Man kills women". What I"m trying to get at as I ramble to an end is that though there are some situations where it is questionable what the Black male was doing, however there is a history of police shooting and planting guns. This is why we even had to need to have body cameras because police have been lying so much about what actually happened. This is why so many police departments are under Federal Consent decrees due to their history of police brutality.


In Summary, Black Lives Matter is a movement from my perspective out of a system of racial injustice in America going all the way back to slavery. Laws have changed to make the country less racist but the hearts of many have not changed at the same pace. With Black Lives Matter, The methods are not always the best but let us seek to empathize with our Black brothers who are hurting. Form relationships, love your neighbor, yes the Samaritain. Yes the Black one. Because His life matters to God and it should matter to you also.

 

[Brad Huber]

Thanks for bringing up this topic. I think it is very important to talk about this topic.

As a Black Male who is a Christian (Identity in Christ), I would say that there are many layers to this.


First there is the name of the movement, which has many connotations.

Second, there is the method of the movement,

and Third there is the goal of the movement.



The name of the movement (Black Lives Matter).
So my understanding is that there are generally two categories ( a gross generalization), those who feel offended by the name and others that seem to empathize.

My understanding is that the issue of police brutality combined with the history of racism in the United States (Slavery, Jim Crow laws, KKK, etc) leaves many African Americans to feel that their lives don't matter. This seems supported by the history including the Dredd Scott Case which ruled that Blacks were 3/5 of a human person. As a result of the history and the many cases of police brutality the Black community feels as if their experience of the law enforcement system is much different from Whites, thus their rallying call is "Black Lives Matter", because their perception is that their current treatment and history shows that their lives don't matter.

There is another category which I observe which feel offended when they hear the term Black Lives Matter, and the response is to say "All Lives Matter" or "Blue Lives Matter". My thoughts is that their perception is that the name "Black Lives Matter" is divisive or is about Black Pride, when in essence we are all one human race.

However when I reflect on the response All Lives Matter or Blue Lives Matter I think such a response is misguided. First, yes we are all one human race but whenever you persecute a people it will lead them to group together for protection. Secondly, the phrase All Lives Matter seems to be a response that seeks to silence discussion rather than dialogue about racism. Normally when one says "All Lives Matter" that is all they say end of discussion. They don't ask, what do you mean by that, or tell me why are you hurting. Thirdly, the response Blue lives matter seems to communicate as if Black are saying lets kill police. In the Black community (Mainstream) the discussion that we have among ourselves is not about killing the police but about being treated as humans by them. We too love the police. No one (Mainstream Black community) Is against the police. We are against police brutality (we all should be). It just so happens that police brutality mostly happens to Blacks so those who don't experience it think it does not exist. During the [HASH=5427]#Me2[/HASH] movement which raised awareness to sexual harassment, if the slogan was "Women's privacy matter" and men were to respond "Everyone's privacy matter" I would think, why are you so threatened by women acknowledging their mistreatment, and I would think, wow you really don't get it do you.

Concerning the method of the movement, the method is mostly protesting and there are also boycotts that are happening. There is a facebook group of 1 +million Black people on facebook, and they have planned various economic boycotts to show economic solitary. For now I think we are talking about the protest. I think protesting is obviously the message of those who don't feel that they are being heard. America has a history of protesting. There was the Boston Tea party for example in which property was destroyed by the citizens but it is celebrated in US history books because the reason for the struggle seemed to condone the method in the eyes of those writing the textbooks.

It seems that some of the protest have turned violent unfortunately but not most. There are thousands of protest that have not turned violent. For example in my town, here there was a BLM protest that was not violent. Actually in our state I think there were over 100 protest in Maryland and I'm only aware of 1 which was violent (In Baltimore City). So I think that the negative ones are over shadowing the many peaceful ones which have no violence at all. As a Christian I don't condone violence however I can understand why people who feel oppressed act that way. Obviously as Christians violence is not our method. The State Massachusetts has on its license plate, "give me liberty of give me death" and people understand. The death connotes (in my opinion) the use of violence to get liberty. However I imagine if the BLM slogan was "give me liberty of give me death" many would be speaking of how it was a terrible slogan. So once again. As Christians violence is not the way, however it seems that society has a difference narrative when different groups use violence.


The goal of the movement is to be treated as humans. To be treated fairly. How can you argue with someone who wants to be treated like a human being? You may argue with their methods or their slogans, but we dare not
as Christians argue with their request to be seen as equal, no matter how misguided we may think their methods are. As a Black man I will say that there are some situations in which the Black Male that was killed
by police was in the wrong. For example, if you are fighting the police, or running away, or reaching for a weapon, or not responding to commands, than you will put your life at risk. Being a police is a dangerous job and society is getting worst. Police officers experience much trauma and often times are quick to shot, and there are many incidences where it is questionable if the Black male was in the right. However, with that said, the statistics seem to show
that even in situations where a white male is running from the Police, they are way least likely to lose their lives. I see news reports where a White man has a gun and shoots 11 people and kills them and the police arrest Him and take him to burger Mcdonalds because he is hungry, than I see a black man, kills no one, is running away and gets shot 20 times; While the White man with the gun who killed 11 people is taken alive. WOW. In the Black community this is what we say, when we hear on the news there is a suspect taken into custody who was shooting, we say, "Ooh He must be White" because if he was Black the police would have killed him. I'm by far one of the less threatening Black Men you'll ever meet but I've had my own incidents of racial profiling and abuse by police ( I won't share now). The news is also very biased. For example when a crime happens if the person is black the headline will say "Black male kill women" but if the criminal is white the race is not mentions but it will say "Man kills women". What I"m trying to get at as I ramble to an end is that though there are some situations where it is questionable what the Black male was doing, however there is a history of police shooting and planting guns. This is why we even had to need to have body cameras because police have been lying so much about what actually happened. This is why so many police departments are under Federal Consent decrees due to their history of police brutality.


In Summary, Black Lives Matter is a movement from my perspective out of a system of racial injustice in America going all the way back to slavery. Laws have changed to make the country less racist but the hearts of many have not changed at the same pace. With Black Lives Matter, The methods are not always the best but let us seek to empathize with our Black brothers who are hurting. Form relationships, love your neighbor, yes the Samaritain. Yes the Black one. Because His life matters to God and it should matter to you also.

Black lives matter as an organization, is anti-christian.
Black lives matter as an organization, believes in reparations from both the government, and individual white people, in the form of money and possesions (to include lands, houses, etc)
Black lives matter promote violence to a much greater degree than officers have ever done unwarrented violence (above that which is needed-against those violent people resisting arrest or using weapons with the intent for violence)
Black lives matter monies collected from the public to their online site, directs those monies to the democratic party.
(the democratic party have been behind most of the suppression of black people in the past)
Black lives matter movement has more white activists involved in the violence than those black people that are showing up at protests.
(which shows blacks are less interested in the movement and most of those white activists are bused in and paid protestors)
Guess who is paying for the release or defense of those arrested for violence, the democratic party.
Many involved in the violence dont care about black people, they are acting out of being high or the desire for anarchy.
If black people want to help black people, they need to go to Chicago, where the most black deaths are regularly reported. But that doesnt fit the narrative of white on black violence thats promoted, most black deaths from violence are black on black violence. Black men need to man up and tackle the problem of black on black violence and promoting being a good father, instead of leaving the women they impregnate to grow up angry due to having no good father figure. I could go on, but perhaps you could address these points?

 

[B-A-C]

The methods are not always the best but let us seek to empathize with our Black brothers who are hurting. Form relationships, love your neighbor, yes the Samaritain. Yes the Black one. Because His life matters to God and it should matter to you also.

BLM aside. I sincerely ask you... why do you feel ... how do I phrase this? Disrespected, or somehow less than you should feel?
What are Caucasians or others doing to blacks to make them angry or sad, or whatever the case may be?
I do, and will continue to.. empathize with Black Americans, but what can we do to make things right? What would you consider... right?
I agree Black people matter to God as much as anyone matters. No more, no less. But I feel that saying that is not enough.

There is still racism in America, I can't deny it. But we have affirmative action, racial diversity classes where I work several times a year.
If you don't follow these rules you will be fired. I have several black friends, the worship Pastor at my last church is Black. I never saw him as Black,
I simply see him as a Christian brother, maybe that isn't enough... but then.. what IS enough? Will anything ever be enough?
Up until the last year or so... I don't recall anyone mentioning racial problem between blacks and whites. Suddenly everything is about racism.
Not just blacks, but Native Americans, Orientals, Hispanics, etc... we have to change the names of food packaging, school mascots, and even
even professional sports teams because someone is offended.

I live in Portland OR. It seems we are the center of the BLM movement, at least on the west coast. There has been quite a bit of violence and vandalism
associated with this. Do you feel this is helping their cause? In all humility and seriousness.... what could really be done to help the cause?
Where does the offence end? Does it ever end?

 

[PloughBoy]

Thanks for bringing up this topic. I think it is very important to talk about this topic.

As a Black Male who is a Christian (Identity in Christ), I would say that there are many layers to this.


First there is the name of the movement, which has many connotations.

Second, there is the method of the movement,

and Third there is the goal of the movement.



The name of the movement (Black Lives Matter).
So my understanding is that there are generally two categories ( a gross generalization), those who feel offended by the name and others that seem to empathize.

My understanding is that the issue of police brutality combined with the history of racism in the United States (Slavery, Jim Crow laws, KKK, etc) leaves many African Americans to feel that their lives don't matter. This seems supported by the history including the Dredd Scott Case which ruled that Blacks were 3/5 of a human person. As a result of the history and the many cases of police brutality the Black community feels as if their experience of the law enforcement system is much different from Whites, thus their rallying call is "Black Lives Matter", because their perception is that their current treatment and history shows that their lives don't matter.

There is another category which I observe which feel offended when they hear the term Black Lives Matter, and the response is to say "All Lives Matter" or "Blue Lives Matter". My thoughts is that their perception is that the name "Black Lives Matter" is divisive or is about Black Pride, when in essence we are all one human race.

However when I reflect on the response All Lives Matter or Blue Lives Matter I think such a response is misguided. First, yes we are all one human race but whenever you persecute a people it will lead them to group together for protection. Secondly, the phrase All Lives Matter seems to be a response that seeks to silence discussion rather than dialogue about racism. Normally when one says "All Lives Matter" that is all they say end of discussion. They don't ask, what do you mean by that, or tell me why are you hurting. Thirdly, the response Blue lives matter seems to communicate as if Black are saying lets kill police. In the Black community (Mainstream) the discussion that we have among ourselves is not about killing the police but about being treated as humans by them. We too love the police. No one (Mainstream Black community) Is against the police. We are against police brutality (we all should be). It just so happens that police brutality mostly happens to Blacks so those who don't experience it think it does not exist. During the [HASH=5427]#Me2[/HASH] movement which raised awareness to sexual harassment, if the slogan was "Women's privacy matter" and men were to respond "Everyone's privacy matter" I would think, why are you so threatened by women acknowledging their mistreatment, and I would think, wow you really don't get it do you.

Concerning the method of the movement, the method is mostly protesting and there are also boycotts that are happening. There is a facebook group of 1 +million Black people on facebook, and they have planned various economic boycotts to show economic solitary. For now I think we are talking about the protest. I think protesting is obviously the message of those who don't feel that they are being heard. America has a history of protesting. There was the Boston Tea party for example in which property was destroyed by the citizens but it is celebrated in US history books because the reason for the struggle seemed to condone the method in the eyes of those writing the textbooks.

It seems that some of the protest have turned violent unfortunately but not most. There are thousands of protest that have not turned violent. For example in my town, here there was a BLM protest that was not violent. Actually in our state I think there were over 100 protest in Maryland and I'm only aware of 1 which was violent (In Baltimore City). So I think that the negative ones are over shadowing the many peaceful ones which have no violence at all. As a Christian I don't condone violence however I can understand why people who feel oppressed act that way. Obviously as Christians violence is not our method. The State Massachusetts has on its license plate, "give me liberty of give me death" and people understand. The death connotes (in my opinion) the use of violence to get liberty. However I imagine if the BLM slogan was "give me liberty of give me death" many would be speaking of how it was a terrible slogan. So once again. As Christians violence is not the way, however it seems that society has a difference narrative when different groups use violence.


The goal of the movement is to be treated as humans. To be treated fairly. How can you argue with someone who wants to be treated like a human being? You may argue with their methods or their slogans, but we dare not
as Christians argue with their request to be seen as equal, no matter how misguided we may think their methods are. As a Black man I will say that there are some situations in which the Black Male that was killed
by police was in the wrong. For example, if you are fighting the police, or running away, or reaching for a weapon, or not responding to commands, than you will put your life at risk. Being a police is a dangerous job and society is getting worst. Police officers experience much trauma and often times are quick to shot, and there are many incidences where it is questionable if the Black male was in the right. However, with that said, the statistics seem to show
that even in situations where a white male is running from the Police, they are way least likely to lose their lives. I see news reports where a White man has a gun and shoots 11 people and kills them and the police arrest Him and take him to burger Mcdonalds because he is hungry, than I see a black man, kills no one, is running away and gets shot 20 times; While the White man with the gun who killed 11 people is taken alive. WOW. In the Black community this is what we say, when we hear on the news there is a suspect taken into custody who was shooting, we say, "Ooh He must be White" because if he was Black the police would have killed him. I'm by far one of the less threatening Black Men you'll ever meet but I've had my own incidents of racial profiling and abuse by police ( I won't share now). The news is also very biased. For example when a crime happens if the person is black the headline will say "Black male kill women" but if the criminal is white the race is not mentions but it will say "Man kills women". What I"m trying to get at as I ramble to an end is that though there are some situations where it is questionable what the Black male was doing, however there is a history of police shooting and planting guns. This is why we even had to need to have body cameras because police have been lying so much about what actually happened. This is why so many police departments are under Federal Consent decrees due to their history of police brutality.


In Summary, Black Lives Matter is a movement from my perspective out of a system of racial injustice in America going all the way back to slavery. Laws have changed to make the country less racist but the hearts of many have not changed at the same pace. With Black Lives Matter, The methods are not always the best but let us seek to empathize with our Black brothers who are hurting. Form relationships, love your neighbor, yes the Samaritain. Yes the Black one. Because His life matters to God and it should matter to you also.

Jesus is Lord: remain silent on this one "would be wise" speaking as a fellow brother in "Christ Jesus our Lord"

 

[PloughBoy]

10For You, O God, have tested us;
You have refined us like silver.

11You led us into the net;
You laid burdens on our backs.

12You let men ride over our heads;
we went through fire and water,
but You brought us into the abundance. [ of eternal life].

There is always a "Remnant according to "Grace" and many have the scars to prove it.

 

[Hekuran]

In all humility and seriousness.... what could really be done to help the cause?

This is a good question. Earlier in the the when we were asking this in the UK, the consistent response from my black brothers and sisters was that the best starting point would be for us to practise listening. Hear the pain and fear of black people honestly and openly without seeing the need to reply.

@Jesus_is_LORD may well have more and better answers, but this seems tto me to be wise advice.

 

[Dave M]

there is only one thing that can be done, and that is to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ, Racism is sin and Jesus is the only cure for sin. the organiszation BLM is anti Christian.

 

[Hekuran]

there is only one thing that can be done, and that is to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ, Racism is sin and Jesus is the only cure for sin. the organiszation BLM is anti Christian.

Do you take the same line with other social evils: the only thing that can be done to stop fmurder, child abuse, tax evasion, pollution, credit card fraud, corruption, abortion, drink driving is to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Dave M]

Jesus is the only answer to a sin problem is what I beleive with all my heart might and soul. That is why he is my Lord and savior. He is the only hope, he is my only salvation, no man or gonverment can solve the evils in this world,,,, Jesus promised evil would get worst in end times,,,,,, its not ever going to get any better its only going to get worst. The leaders of the BLM organiszation only add fuel to the fire.

We are in end times and the bible says a lot about end times and it aint pretty, it does not get better, it only gets worst until his return, The only thing that can save people is Jesus. The only person that can change a heart of a evil person who hates on people because of the skin color is Jesus.

They had the same issues back in Jesus day, how did Jesus go about addressing the issue? the women at the well comes to mind, Peter not eating with certain people come to mind, Romans looking down on everyone comes to mind.

This is a age old issue and it is sin, and Jesus is the only cure for sin.

We better take personal responsibilty for our actions, because we will all give an account to Jesus for them one day.

 

[Hekuran]

You sure? The only way to deal with drink driving is to spread the gospel?

 

[Dave M]

You sure? The only way to deal with drink driving is to spread the gospel?

the only way to deal with sin is Jesus, if you dont agree that is fine

 

[Hekuran]

But there are many ways to promote good behaviour and to minimise bad. To curb drink driving there are education campaigns, legal penalties, law enforcement trained to identify and deal with the issue, penalties for businesses the sell alcohol to people they know to be driving, influencing the culture through peer pressure. Together these interventions save lives.

Likewise there is plenty that can be done to tackle racial injustice besides sharing the gospel.

 

[Dave M]

racial tension is sin, when a person hates another person because the color there skin, they have heart problem, only Jesus can give you a new heart.

If you dont think Jesus is the answer to every sin problem in the world, I really dont know what else to say,,

 

[Hekuran]

Jesus is the ultimate answer. But there are always practical and social answers too. For example in Acts 6 we read of the first issue to create division and strife in the church. Racism, specifically Hebrews treating Greeks unfairly.

The Apostles responded not by simply saying 'believe in Jesus', but by putting practical measures in place. They appointed seven men to oversee the distribution of food.

Racism is sin, which can only be addressed at the foot of the cross. Racism is injustice which can be addressed in many, many practical and social ways. This can be at an individual level, community level and national level.

 

[Dave M]

Jesus is the ultimate answer. But there are always practical and social answers too. For example in Acts 6 we read of the first issue to create division and strife in the church. Racism, specifically Hebrews treating Greeks unfairly.

The Apostles responded not by simply saying 'believe in Jesus', but by putting practical measures in place. They appointed seven men to oversee the distribution of food.

Racism is sin, which can only be addressed at the foot of the cross. Racism is injustice which can be addressed in many, many practical and social ways. This can be at an individual level, community level and national level.

are you a supporter of the BLM organization

 

[PloughBoy]

I am wondering, mind you, just wondering, how many here discussing racial tension, have has had hands on experience or been involve, to alleviated such practices, thoughout the years? Or are we the group that are the critics that only have lip services. and in this dicussion how many are of the black race. But the only people, that has the solution is us. For this fight has been going on for years, for I only see, even here , a form of dress up racism covered up with the name "Jesus Christ". Noting but hate, dress up in garments of polite "words". No love whatsoever in your words and my view could be wrong, but God knows every last one of us! and His judgment is true. The world acts like the world, for it is the worlds nature. I see no love of God in those who call themselves "the sons of God" I only feel hate through discernment , and no expression of the "Fruit of the Holy Spirit" in this "Discussion" of "BLM movement". Like the Whole world are christains and are supposed to act like christains. This forum is supposed to be about "NEWS". it has turn into "hate speech" dress-up! "Discussion"!

and no one is speaking up. There is a lot more things happening in the world!. I think the topic should be move to "Discussion'. for room for other up coming "News".

 

[Dave M]

you know one of the best movies I have seen, and it is a true life story of real race tension in the south. The lady in the movie Ann Atwater is a hero of mine, and shows how us how the Love of Christ can change anyones heart. She went up against the head of the KKK in her home town, and guess what happened, she changed his heart by showing the love of Christ to him every time they met, even though he was ugly rude vile,,, and they togeather made huge progress in abloshing the racism, they are best of freinds to this day,, the man put his life on the line to stand up against what he promoted,, once he saw the love of Jesus in ANN...it all starts with Jesus Christ.

 

[Brad Huber]

Jesus is the ultimate answer. But there are always practical and social answers too. For example in Acts 6 we read of the first issue to create division and strife in the church. Racism, specifically Hebrews treating Greeks unfairly.

The Apostles responded not by simply saying 'believe in Jesus', but by putting practical measures in place. They appointed seven men to oversee the distribution of food.

Racism is sin, which can only be addressed at the foot of the cross. Racism is injustice which can be addressed in many, many practical and social ways. This can be at an individual level, community level and national level.

Acts 6:1-4 Now at this time while the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint arose on the part of the Hellenistic Jews against the native Hebrews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily serving of food. 2 So the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables. 3 Therefore, brethren, select from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this task. 4 But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”

With this, it was actually segregation of duties to allow certain people to focus on some tasks and others to focus on others. And they picked those FULL OF THE SPIRIT AND WISDOM. So it did point to those more filled with Jesus to solve the issue.

Acts 10:34-35 34.Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, 35 but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him

This from the vision from the Lord about the sheet with many animals, both clean and unclean and to not call unholy, that which is holy. So again, it was the Lord who "fixed" the social injustice. In both cases, the situation wasnt solved by a group of people using problem solving alone to fix the problem.

 

[Hekuran]

Acts 6:1-4 Now at this time while the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint arose on the part of the Hellenistic Jews against the native Hebrews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily serving of food. 2 So the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables. 3 Therefore, brethren, select from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this task. 4 But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”

With this, it was actually segregation of duties to allow certain people to focus on some tasks and others to focus on others. And they picked those FULL OF THE SPIRIT AND WISDOM. So it did point to those more filled with Jesus to solve the issue.

Acts 10:34-35 34.Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, 35 but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him

This from the vision from the Lord about the sheet with many animals, both clean and unclean and to not call unholy, that which is holy. So again, it was the Lord who "fixed" the social injustice. In both cases, the situation wasnt solved by a group of people using problem solving alone to fix the problem.

Completely agree with you about depending on spirit filled wisdom. Prayer, seeking God's guidance, thoughtful planning, searching the wisdom of the Bible, troubleshooting and committed work all belong together.