Camilla and Charles

[Christina2000]

Is it just me but this pair seem to think we have all forgotten about their behaviour towards that beautiful girl, Diana.
Their adulteries, terrible betrayals and callous actions destroyed her. She was so young, she loved Charles. But he never loved her back and Camilla never let them alone.
I know I should forgive and forget but I do not want Camilla beside Charles when he is crowned. I cannot stomach it.

Will it happen?

 

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Is it just me but this pair seem to think we have all forgotten about their behaviour towards that beautiful girl, Diana.
Their adulteries, terrible betrayals and callous actions destroyed her. She was so young, she loved Charles. But he never loved her back and Camilla never let them alone.
I know I should forgive and forget but I do not want Camilla beside Charles when he is crowned. I cannot stomach it.

Will it happen?

Hello @Christina2000,

There are so many sides to that story, it is tragic in so many ways, that apportioning blame is something I now find hard to do. Only God knows the heart, and only He knows the truth of the various pressures placed upon all concerned. Charles has toiled long and hard in his role as a leading member of the Royal family, and deserves the opportunity to take his place on the throne, and William and Kate still have a young family to nurture.

Another consideration:-

The Queen was once, 'The Defender of THE Faith': but now the title is, 'The Defender of ... Faith,' it seems, (regardless of what that 'faith' consists); which although making peaceful co-existence possible, diminishes the role of 'Defender', for it categorizes Christianity as just one of many 'faiths'; instead of being the one True Faith in the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which the Queen was initially commissioned to defend. Thus, it seems, denying that the the Lord Jesus Christ is the only True and living way to the Father, and that there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.

These are my thoughts, May I be forgiven if I am speaking ill advisedly, out of ignorance of the true situation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Christina2000]

Hello @Christina2000,

There are so many sides to that story, it is tragic in so many ways, that apportioning blame is something I now find hard to do. Only God knows the heart, and only He knows the truth of the various pressures placed upon all concerned. Charles has toiled long and hard in his role as a leading member of the Royal family, and deserves the opportunity to take his place on the throne, and William and Kate still have a young family to nurture.

Another consideration:-

The Queen was once, 'The Defender of THE Faith': but now the title is, 'The Defender of ... Faith,' it seems, (regardless of what that 'faith' consists); which although making peaceful co-existence possible, diminishes the role of 'Defender', for it categorizes Christianity as just one of many 'faiths'; instead of being the one True Faith in the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which the Queen was initially commissioned to defend. Thus, it seems, denying that the the Lord Jesus Christ is the only True and living way to the Father, and that there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.

These are my thoughts, May I be forgiven if I am speaking ill advisedly, out of ignorance of the true situation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris
I understand what you say.
Yet was adultery right on the part of both Camilla and Charles? They both made a mockery of marriage and behaved selfishly and without honour. Diana had a fairytale start but it was completely ruined.

Now they continue to live a good privileged life and she died after a life if disappointment and grief at not being able to find live from her own husband.

 

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Hi Chris
I understand what you say.
Yet was adultery right on the part of both Camilla and Charles? They both made a mockery of marriage and behaved selfishly and without honour. Diana had a fairytale start but it was completely ruined.

Now they continue to live a good privileged life and she died after a life if disappointment and grief at not being able to find live from her own husband.

Hello @Christina2000,

No, adultery is not right. I do not know the whole story about Charles and Camilla, only what I read in the papers at the time, so cannot comment a great deal. The marriage between Charles and Diana would not have taken place at all though I believe, if Charles and Camilla had been able to naturally form a relationship when they first met, which was prior to either of their marriages I think. They, and Diana were the victims of circumstances beyond their control. That does not absolve them from blame though I agree. Diana and Charles' marriage was built on a very unsound foundation, and neither was equal to the task of maintaining it. The pressures were immense, and I for one am not going to 'cast the first stone'.

Yet, sin has it's consequences, and the Royal Family are not immune, they will be suffering the consequences in some form or another, beyond our sight maybe, but before the eyes of Him who searches the heart, and tries the reigns.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.

'Have mercy on me, O God, according to Your loving-kindness;
according to the multitude of Your tender mercies, blot out my transgressions.
Wash me completely from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
For I confess my transgressions; and my sin is ever before me.
Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done evil in Your sight;
that You might be justified when You speak, and be clear when You judge.
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts;
and in the hidden part You shall make me to know wisdom.
Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. '
(Psalm 51:1-7)

Hello again @Christina2000,

My mind goes to David, and the consequences in his life, following his sin in regard to Bathsheba and her husband (2 Samuel 11:2-27) , and his words to God in Psalm 51. His sin resulted in strife within his family, he had to endure tumult and discord within his own family circle, as God said:-

'And therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house,
because you have despised Me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.
So says Jehovah, Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house,
and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor.
And he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.
For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and before the sun.
And David said to Nathan, I have sinned against Jehovah.
And Nathan said to David, Jehovah also has put away your sin; you shall not die.
Only, because by this deed
you have given great occasion to the enemies of Jehovah to blaspheme,
this child born to you shall surely die.'
(2 Sam. 12:10-14)

* Yes, there were consequences for David: even though God forgave Him his sin, and spared his life. Prince Charles will also have experienced the outworking of the consequences of his sin, within his own life, of that we can be sure. We know, because we ourselves are not guiltless, and know what it is to suffer the consequences of our own sins, whatever they may be. For although forgiven, and life in Christ guaranteed, sin's consequences will still be experienced within our lifetime.

Praise God! For His mercy and His grace

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Christina2000]

A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.

'Have mercy on me, O God, according to Your loving-kindness;
according to the multitude of Your tender mercies, blot out my transgressions.
Wash me completely from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
For I confess my transgressions; and my sin is ever before me.
Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done evil in Your sight;
that You might be justified when You speak, and be clear when You judge.
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts;
and in the hidden part You shall make me to know wisdom.
Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. '
(Psalm 51:1-7)

Hello again @Christina2000,

My mind goes to David, and the consequences in his life, following his sin in regard to Bathsheba and her husband (2 Samuel 11:2-27) , and his words to God in Psalm 51. His sin resulted in strife within his family, he had to endure tumult and discord within his own family circle, as God said:-

'And therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house,
because you have despised Me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.
So says Jehovah, Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house,
and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor.
And he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.
For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and before the sun.
And David said to Nathan, I have sinned against Jehovah.
And Nathan said to David, Jehovah also has put away your sin; you shall not die.
Only, because by this deed
you have given great occasion to the enemies of Jehovah to blaspheme,
this child born to you shall surely die.'
(2 Sam. 12:10-14)

* Yes, there were consequences for David: even though God forgave Him his sin, and spared his life. Prince Charles will also have experienced the outworking of the consequences of his sin, within his own life, of that we can be sure. We know, because we ourselves are not guiltless, and know what it is to suffer the consequences of our own sins, whatever they may be. For although forgiven, and life in Christ guaranteed, sin's consequences will still be experienced within our lifetime.

Praise God! For His mercy and His grace

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Chris
I understand your words. However, adultery is ugly and wrong. If Charkes and Diana had sat down and decided things were not working out, then separated and divorced, fair enough. After all, they were the parents of heirs to the throne. But for Charles to continue his affair was plain wrong. Camilla cheated on her husband. It's sordid, it broke Diana's heart. Wrong in the eyes of God and society.

 

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Chris
I understand your words. However, adultery is ugly and wrong. If Charles and Diana had sat down and decided things were not working out, then separated and divorced, fair enough. After all, they were the parents of heirs to the throne. But for Charles to continue his affair was plain wrong. Camilla cheated on her husband. It's sordid, it broke Diana's heart. Wrong in the eyes of God and society.

Hello @Christina2000,

I am not in disagreement with you, Christina, but I think Charles and Camilla have been reaping what they have sown too, they have had consequences to live with, and much to repent of which we are not party to. Just having to witness the effect that their actions, and that of Diana, have had upon their children, is hard on it's own, apart from other consequences beyond our sight. This has all had to be lived out under the scrutiny of the public eye, which we as ordinary individuals will never have to endure.

Yes divorce is a damnable and injurious process, and adultery very wrong, I agree.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Christina2000]

Hello @Christina2000,

I am not in disagreement with you, Christina, but I think Charles and Camilla have been reaping what they have sown too, they have had consequences to live with, and much to repent of which we are not party to. Just having to witness the effect that their actions, and that of Diana, have had upon their children, is hard on it's own, apart from other consequences beyond our sight. This has all had to be lived out under the scrutiny of the public eye, which we as ordinary individuals will never have to endure.

Yes divorce is a damnable and injurious process, and adultery very wrong, I agree.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

Yes I agree. Sin has its own rewards in the rebound effect upon a person. Always there is a price for forbidden pleasures.

 

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Yes I agree. Sin has its own rewards in the rebound effect upon a person. Always there is a price for forbidden pleasures.

'Let no man say when he is tempted,
I am tempted of God:
for God cannot be tempted with evil,
neither tempteth He any man:
But every man is tempted,
when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived,
it bringeth forth sin:
and sin, when it is finished,
bringeth forth death.'
(Jas 1:13)


Hi @Christina2000,

I just remarked to my husband how much I have enjoyed our conversation, because it has been just that, a conversation and not a debate, between two people talking pleasantly to one another. So thank you for that.

Following my past response to you, I have been thinking about adultery, and my mind went to 1Peter 2:11, ' Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;' Adultery is one of the sinful actions which proceed from falling foul of the fleshly lusts which war against the soul. It the whole person which suffers when these lusts are allowed to find access into our minds and heart., isn't it? and can be the harbinger of illness and death, by their very nature, and the stress that they cause to the body and mind.

They are called 'deceitful lusts' in Ephesians 4:22, and 'hurtful lusts' in 1 Timothy 6:9. Regarding the words, 'deceitful lusts' I think of drug and alcohol abuse, which convinces the body and mind of it's victims that they have to have the substances they have become addicted to, the mind is deceived by the body's cravings.

Looking up the word 'lusts' in the concordance and reading the verses within their context is quite revealing. There are also the more refined desires of the mind (Ephesians 2:3) which can be as destructive as the more obvious lusts which work out in the body.

Lets do this again some time, yes?

Thank you again, Christina.
Chris

 

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Is it just me but this pair seem to think we have all forgotten about their behaviour towards that beautiful girl, Diana.
Their adulteries, terrible betrayals and callous actions destroyed her. She was so young, she loved Charles. But he never loved her back and Camilla never let them alone.
I know I should forgive and forget but I do not want Camilla beside Charles when he is crowned. I cannot stomach it.

Will it happen?

Hi @Christina2000,

Coming back to your OP, and the words 'Will it happen?' I have wondered if, in fact, Charles will not ascend to the throne at all, whether he will stand down in favour of his son, William and his wife Kate. For he is now 74 (the same age as myself) and so would not, possibly, reign for long anyway.

Looking at Charles sometimes, he looks as though the events of his life have taken their toll upon him: he can look anguished and stressed when in repose, can't he? The loss of his younger son from the family has placed added burdens upon himself and the other members of the family, and Edward and Sophie have taken on more responsibility I think, but the stress of the rift must have caused great stress.

I think, though we may not like Camilla taking Diana's place and all that usurpation entailed: without her comfort, Charles would not have coped with the stresses of life as well as he has, for she was a friend and confidant way before Diana arrived on the scene, but unfortunately remained so, to the detriment of their marriage.

 

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' ... he that doeth wrong
shall receive for the wrong which he hath done:
and there is no respect of persons.'
(Col 3:25)

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Christina and Chris,

the day you began this thread, i entered my little office area from where i do what i do here, and upon my keyboard were two items pertaining to the couple you have been discussing. I lie not. When i saw the thread i wanted to jump in but it appears the Lord had other plans.
One is a book, entitled "Charles and Diana - A Royal Romance" with black and white photograph pictures
and the other, a Time Magazine, dated February 16, 1998 with the article "Death Of A Princess - An Exclusive Account of Diana's Final Days and Tragic End"

I had to give thanks to the Lord for His preparation and care in this, even though i have bot participated in the discussion here, but prayed for you both as you interacted, that the Lord would be glorified, no matter what.

For me, as tragic for the Princess it may have been, i think of the lads and how hard it would be growing up with media and gossip and the like, while trying to understand where and why Mummy has gone.
A double blow on lads who chose not, of both loss and the constant tales being told, and some not at all pretty,a ll the while, having to keep up appearances.

I would not want to be in their shoes.


Know this, however,

nothing has taken our Lord by surprise "and we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose" Romans 8:28

and in Revelation we read:
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:4


Bless you both ....><>

 

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Thank you, @Br. Bear,

For kindly giving place to us to have the conversation we have had. It has been both instructive and a blessing to me.

With love in Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Br. Bear]

Thank you, @Br. Bear,

For kindly giving place to us to have the conversation we have had. It has been both instructive and a blessing to me.

With love in Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

Greetings Chris,

have you ever read about the Lord preventing....
interesting that term. We tend to think of preventing as 'preventing something from happening' or similar. or as a daughter of mine suggested, "to try to stop something from happening".
However, it appears that what is meant is that He has gone before.
[other related words are advent and covenant]

If for example, we face a battle with a foe and the Lord goes before us, the outcome is according to the Lord, not either side of the battle.

That is the word that came to me when i read your thank you.... so in other words, let us give thanks to the Lord for going before us in this thread and al the goodness that has thus far come out of it, for He is good... always.

I am also reminded that where brethren dwell together in unity [fellowship in His love and Life, prepared for His children], the Lord commands a blessing.


Bless you Sister ....><>