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There is no “Exegesis” teaching concerning sucide in the Bible.
So nothing explicit.
But “Eisegesis” implicitly is among those would lead us.
“My Advice; When in Doubt “Don’t “!
Especially when “ETERNAL LIFE” is at hand. Or “Eternal Torment” Go for The Prize. “ETERNAL LIFE”! Go for The Prize.
How?
Tell him to keep you, because “LORD” I Cannot keep Myself”
If you don’t, I Won’t make it! I TRUST You, to keep me.
While The Dagger Tip, lies at my heart. I Trust You, Keep me. Lord
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But I don't wanna b kept here no more it's all to much to sad to everything just toto much idk why He ain't taking me home idk what else I need to go not good enough for the world n not for YH cause if I was He would bring me home PloughThere is no “Exegesis” teaching concerning sucide in the Bible.
So nothing explicit.
But “Eisegesis” implicitly is among those would lead us.
“My Advice; When in Doubt “Don’t “!
Especially when “ETERNAL LIFE” is at hand. Or “Eternal Torment” Go for The Prize. “ETERNAL LIFE”! Go for The Prize.
How?
Tell him to keep you, because “LORD” I Cannot keep Myself”
If you don’t, I Won’t make it! I TRUST You, to keep me.
While The Dagger Tip, lies at my heart. I Trust You, Keep me. Lord
Greetings,
once dead, can't repent.
Recommended listening: Jesus
give no place to the devil and he will flee from you
Give thanks to the LORD, for He is good... His merciful lovingkindness endureth for ever... even now.
who are you listening to?
Bless you ....><>
once dead, can't repent.
Recommended listening: Jesus
give no place to the devil and he will flee from you
Give thanks to the LORD, for He is good... His merciful lovingkindness endureth for ever... even now.
who are you listening to?
Bless you ....><>
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That is why you tell him to keep you, even you do not want to stay here.
Not only do Jesus save us From The Devil.
He save us From The World all that is in it.
An He also must save us From ourselves!
We are our biggest enemy. Even if we do not know it.
So we must find the simplest words;
“LORD” Save me from Myself” and go on as you usually do.
No long drawer out prayers, or Talks. Tell him and that’s it!
Let us try that. And we are praying for you! And asking for nothing in return.
Just suppose, he is coming next week. Think about there is something far Greater than Heaven! Which it is.
Some of the Greatest Theologians of the World, suffered from sicknesses and Great Depression.
“Martin Luther”
“Charles Spurgeon”
“Jonathan Edwards”
“John Wesley ”
“John Bunyan” Pilgrim Progress
“King David”
“king Solomon”
“Apostle Paul”
Even me “Ploughboy”. But Thise who went before me have given me courage.
I been Through “The Dark Night of The Soul”.
That place I do not wish on my worst of enemies.
But The Finishing results your “Faith” dies a slow death until all hope is gone and nothing left not even a prayer, And That is When “TRUST” is Born, nothing else is left but TrUST, no hope no faith, no victory, no prayer life, and No LIGHT
I am here today!
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'Then said Saul to his armourbearer,
Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith;
lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me.
But his armourbearer would not;
for he was sore afraid.
So Saul took a sword,
and fell upon it.
And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead,
he fell likewise on the sword, and died.'
(1 Chronicles 10:4-5) see also (1 Samuel 31:3-6)
'So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD,
even against the word of the LORD,
which he kept not,
and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit,
to enquire of it;
And enquired not of the LORD:
therefore He slew him,
and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.'
(1 Chronicles 10:13-14)
Hi @Twistie,
* Looking in the margin of my Bible in regard to 1 Chronicles 10:14, and the words, 'therefore He slew him' (underlined above) I read the following:-
* So although Saul took the decision, at a moment of severe physical and psychological stress, to throw himself upon his sword, 1 Chronicles says that God slew him, and gives the cause. Saul's injuries were such that he would have died anyway: but he sought to avoid the terrible treatment that the Philistines would have inflicted upon him, had they found him before his death. So he hastened his own end.
* As far as I am aware this is the only example in Scripture that we have anything of this nature.
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* Paul while in prison himself, said to the brethren at Philippi who were suffering persecution of the very worst kind:-
'Be careful for nothing;
.. but in every thing
.... by prayer and supplication
...... with thanksgiving
........ let your requests be made known unto God.
.......... And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding,
............ shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Finally, brethren,
.. whatsoever things are true,
.... whatsoever things are honest,
...... whatsoever things are just,
........ whatsoever things are pure,
.......... whatsoever things are lovely,
............ whatsoever things are of good report;
.............. if there be any virtue,
................ and if there be any praise,
.................. think on these things.
Those things, which ye have both learned, and received,
.. and heard, and seen in me, do:
.... and the God of peace shall be with you.'
(Php 4:6-9)
* So be strong and of a good courage, Twistie: for what you are experiencing is what so many are suffering in this present day. Keep your eyes stayed upon Christ: and remember God's promises, made to you, in Him; and rejoice and be thankful (regardless of feelings), and give glory to God: Who will never leave you nor forsake you.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our living Lord and Head.
Chris
Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith;
lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me.
But his armourbearer would not;
for he was sore afraid.
So Saul took a sword,
and fell upon it.
And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead,
he fell likewise on the sword, and died.'
(1 Chronicles 10:4-5) see also (1 Samuel 31:3-6)
'So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD,
even against the word of the LORD,
which he kept not,
and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit,
to enquire of it;
And enquired not of the LORD:
therefore He slew him,
and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.'
(1 Chronicles 10:13-14)
Hi @Twistie,
* Looking in the margin of my Bible in regard to 1 Chronicles 10:14, and the words, 'therefore He slew him' (underlined above) I read the following:-
* So although Saul took the decision, at a moment of severe physical and psychological stress, to throw himself upon his sword, 1 Chronicles says that God slew him, and gives the cause. Saul's injuries were such that he would have died anyway: but he sought to avoid the terrible treatment that the Philistines would have inflicted upon him, had they found him before his death. So he hastened his own end.
* As far as I am aware this is the only example in Scripture that we have anything of this nature.
--------------------
* Paul while in prison himself, said to the brethren at Philippi who were suffering persecution of the very worst kind:-
'Be careful for nothing;
.. but in every thing
.... by prayer and supplication
...... with thanksgiving
........ let your requests be made known unto God.
.......... And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding,
............ shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Finally, brethren,
.. whatsoever things are true,
.... whatsoever things are honest,
...... whatsoever things are just,
........ whatsoever things are pure,
.......... whatsoever things are lovely,
............ whatsoever things are of good report;
.............. if there be any virtue,
................ and if there be any praise,
.................. think on these things.
Those things, which ye have both learned, and received,
.. and heard, and seen in me, do:
.... and the God of peace shall be with you.'
(Php 4:6-9)
* So be strong and of a good courage, Twistie: for what you are experiencing is what so many are suffering in this present day. Keep your eyes stayed upon Christ: and remember God's promises, made to you, in Him; and rejoice and be thankful (regardless of feelings), and give glory to God: Who will never leave you nor forsake you.
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart,
In all thy ways acknowledge Him,
and He shall direct thy paths.'
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our living Lord and Head.
Chris
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Thank you so much His Word He lead you to for me has brought me to tears I'm in such a very dark place I thought these demons had fleed n would neva return
It seems they use the doctors to get to me each time with the power to abuse their patients every which way possible I stayed away from them so long n know stuck in their clutches again n so tired n soar n sad
So once again thank you apologies for laying my troubles on you
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Hi Twistie, if you're having suicidal thoughts then that's a pretty good indicator of mental health problems. You mentioned you don't trust the doctors that are treating you but that again could be another symptom. Please try to distinguish between wonky mental health thoughts and regular normal thoughts. Try to find a way of archiving the former. The doctors do want you to recover because they've sworn the hippocratic oath, breaking that can be disastrous for their career and curing you improves their fee rate. You and they are both on the same side.
Just remember that Jesus died to save you from death, He did that because He loves you dearly. All you need to do is to accept the peace of mind that comes with knowing that God is in complete control of every minute detail in your life and wants to bring you to a knowledge and experience that all things work together for good Romans 8:28 so if you accept and believe that you can relax and concentrate on finding that exquisite experience of the Holy Spirit giving you joy, peace and confidence that you're in God's care. He was quite prepared to pay the price of your salvation because He could couldn't bear the thought of losing you. He's with you, He knows you inner mind and the turmoil you're going through and He can see the bright and wonderful future He has in store for you. Just relax and wait upon the Lord.
May God bless and keep you. If you want to chat more I'm only an IM away.
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Dear Lord God, I pray for Twistie, I pray for healing of the mind, comfort, peace and joy so that he/she can bask in the experience of you revealing your wonder and power in his/her life and the transformation that follows our decision to follow your son Jesus and commit our lives to you. I pray for special blessing and total healing.
In advance, thank you dear God: I love you.
Amen
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I have a severe issue with doctors there r more money hungry out here then those who have a calling for over 10 yrs they had me in. A hospital more then out over 22 pills a day plus shots n liquid then in 2017 I dropped out of the docs grips n went off all medications I don't suggest anyone does that but I did I was sick n tired of being sick n tired n them pills not only consumed my mind but brought much evil my way from people stealing from me from the care team to the social workers that would visit me then in 2019 Hubby n I relocated to Oklahoma only because YH had ked us here with the doors that only He alone could open I'd figure well mayb I need a check up because of the over medicated way they did me my nervous system had been damaged my pancreases liver n kidneys all damaged the doc did not check my levels for the last five yrs that I had her three months ago I had a trip n fall I tripped over my pup broke my arm four places shattered my left shoulder joint the surgeon did emergency surgery n put 9 pins four plates n idk how many screws he then released me with 5 pain pills imagine the horrific pain my spirit felt as tho it was gonna jump out of my body like the time they had me in surgery n the epidural didn't take n nor did them docs care they just kept on cutting I found out yesterday morning I went to get the results of my x-ray my primary doc says I got some bad good news n I looked at him he said well we know why it in so much pain the bones don't seem to b healing it looks as tho they r to thin for all that hard ware know that Ortho do who didn't help me with pain didn't help me with my recovery was denying me to get therapy which I fought n won went the cheapest way to fix me up n get me out of his hair so me n you definitely don't see eye to eye about docs wanting to help me not that Ortho
But anywho thank you very much for replying n fact I wanna thank all that did I'm in a very dark spot right now
Appreciate ya
TwistieThank you very much for ur response in one of my deep dark moments I truly appreciate ya
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I have a severe issue with doctors there r more money hungry out here then those who have a calling for over 10 yrs they had me in. A hospital more then out over 22 pills a day plus shots n liquid then in 2017 I dropped out of the docs grips n went off all medications I don't suggest anyone does that but I did I was sick n tired of being sick n tired n them pills not only consumed my mind but brought much evil my way from people stealing from me from the care team to the social workers that would visit me then in 2019 Hubby n I relocated to Oklahoma only because YH had ked us here with the doors that only He alone could open I'd figure well mayb I need a check up because of the over medicated way they did me my nervous system had been damaged my pancreases liver n kidneys all damaged the doc did not check my levels for the last five yrs that I had her three months ago I had a trip n fall I tripped over my pup broke my arm four places shattered my left shoulder joint the surgeon did emergency surgery n put 9 pins four plates n idk how many screws he then released me with 5 pain pills imagine the horrific pain my spirit felt as tho it was gonna jump out of my body like the time they had me in surgery n the epidural didn't take n nor did them docs care they just kept on cutting I found out yesterday morning I went to get the results of my x-ray my primary doc says I got some bad good news n I looked at him he said well we know why it in so much pain the bones don't seem to b healing it looks as tho they r to thin for all that hard ware know that Ortho do who didn't help me with pain didn't help me with my recovery was denying me to get therapy which I fought n won went the cheapest way to fix me up n get me out of his hair so me n you definitely don't see eye to eye about docs wanting to help me not that Ortho
But anywho thank you very much for replying n fact I wanna thank all that did I'm in a very dark spot right now
Appreciate ya
Thank you very much for ur response in one of my deep dark moments I truly appreciate ya
Hi Twistie,
Awwwww .. .... poor you. As I read your posts, I just want to reach out and give you a massive hug and cuddle and reassure you that everything's going to be fine. I quote again that verse in Romans -
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Romans 8:28-32 NKJV
That passage was written with you in mind but note that Paul didn't say everything is good, rather he says they are working towards good. Earlier in verse 18 Paul reassures you-
I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.
Meantime James is reassuring you-
My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. James 1:2-8 NKJV
He's saying, you may not understand what is happening in your life or why but in faith get rid of any doubtt and cling to God, He's in control and will ultimately bring you through all your mental health issues.
This is what Isaiah says -
When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; And through the rivers, they shall not overflow you. When you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned, Nor shall the flame scorch you. Isaiah 43:2 NKJV You may think you're drowning, you may think you're on fire but so long as you trust in and cling to Him, girl, you're indestructible!
I actually share your mistrust of doctors but from a different perspective. Yes, they maybe money grabbing but that's to your advantage; if they get it wrong they leave themselves open to a claim and their professional indemnity premiums double. That said, they're under time pressure and are prone to giving you a prescription rather than spending time with you. Therefore I'd urge you to build a relationship with your doctor and insist that he gives you therapy over prescriptions but there will be times when prescriptions are necessary in which case ask the doctor what the benefits are and the side effects. If you're not convinced, take the prescription and do further research via your pharmacy or the net. If you're still unconvinced take it back to the doc and ask him to suggest an alternative. In summary, don't treat you're doctor as an enemy but all the same he's not infallible, you can't trust him implicitly like you can God.
Me, I prefer diet cure over pills. My mother had osteoporosis and so does my cousin. I could get bone density supplement pills but I prefer to drink a pint of skimmed milk a day. Same with cholesterol, I prefer a healthy diet and exercise over anti statins and so far it's working. But in the summer when it's hay-fever season I'm the first to reach out for antihistamines.
Most mental health problems stem from a hormone imbalance and so if the doctors can spend time with you they hopefully will be able to prescribe a supplement. Do some research.
Finally, you mentioned that you're married and that's wonderful. I'm guessing it's not easy being married to a girl with mental health issues and yet he's stuck with you. He's a treasure to behold. Love him back plenty so he knows you appreciate him and please please please, banish any ideas of devastating his life by doing the unthinkable. In God and your husband you have blessings beyond measure that others will never know.
I'm praying for you, that God through His Holy Spirit will keep and protect you and that through the fog of mental health, He will reveal Himself to you and deepen your experience of Him.
God bless you sis, I love you xxx
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Thank you thanks you for not beating me down with words n for building up
I hope all is well with you n your household.
May YHs peace surround u n yours
Twistie
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Back when I was suicidal, I was told that all the suicide does is SEAL YOU for eternity inescapably in the agony that caused you to off yourself in he beginning. I wouldn't try to prove that scripturally, BUT it did keep me alive until I was Born again of the Spirit in '63, and everything changed.
If you look at suicide, it's the ULTIMATE REJECTION of God's grace, and the absolute declaration that God and the Holy Spirit mean NOTHING, and can't be trusted to do anything about our situation. That's essentially the "Unforgivable sin" - i.e. the total rejection of the Holy Spirit.
It would be hard to believe that anyone who IS a Christian and indwelled by the Holy Spirit, could seriously consider suicide no matter how bad the apparent situation gets.
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Is mental health as real as any other physical sickness? What happens to a born-again believer who dies of cancer or any other disease will they go to hell? What about a mentally ill person who kills themselfs and who is also a believer? Are they afforded the same mercy and grace as the one who dies of cancer?
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I'm not a Christian He has separated us from all titles it surprises me when one trys to smite me that it's a Christian see it is written if your judge of the Laws then your not a doer n with title you claim its written
I dare not to exalt myself or another for my Maker would destroy me
Your words like mine convict us
But while you said it's a hell sentence so to say I'm wondering about the children that have been killing themselves cause they can't take it no more
I'm wondering how many are damned per the Christian theology
I will b pondering this more with YH I lean not on my own understanding
So please don't b exalting me with any title
Have an amazing day
Twistie
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That would be a given.
Essentially, everyone who HAS NOT been Born Again of the Holy Spirit by FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross. simple as that.
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Like I said I'm going to YH for this one I rather Here Him ya know?
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Mental health most r spirit not the nice ones either I use to hear many started as a child
That one was a nasty one he would come n go through the years but I didn't understand what was happening at the time
I haven't had a battle like the one i had the other night tho ill tell ya but YH is faithful n true n always brings one around to help me out of by just visiting n talking
I don't get many visits these day I'm lm blessed if a get a call ever other week we r private people we spend much time in the Word we don't drive as of it but we r going to get there one step at a time as they
I believe I'm also learning patients
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Yet is is written to tell the Righteous it will b well with them n it is written I am coming for two sheepfold on of which is not mine n I will make them one
N it is written see how the gentiles obey His law yet they know it not it is proof His laws are written on His children heart
Problem with ur judgment you could neva think Like YH you lack Mercy n compassion if I was you I'd stop setting judgment on peep cause that same mercy n forgiveness will b used upon you
Just saying
N it is written see how the gentiles obey His law yet they know it not it is proof His laws are written on His children heart
Problem with ur judgment you could neva think Like YH you lack Mercy n compassion if I was you I'd stop setting judgment on peep cause that same mercy n forgiveness will b used upon you
Just saying
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