Here's why I believe that I can't be forgiven. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is believing that the Holy Spirit is a demonic spirit. I think that I first started having these thoughts when I was a kid at 14 after hearing about the unforgivable sin. Then I actually believed one of the thoughts about when the pharisees said that Jesus had an demonic spirit but as I said, I tried to fight back and cancel it. At first, it was doubts of Jesus divinity but then it messed me up. I feel like it's too late. I prayed to God but he didn't answer. I am stuck in dead religion with no repentance and a heart change and I feel like my heart is so hardened against God's mercy and forgiveness. Any advice?
Can I still go to heaven or not?
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Whether you Are heaven Bound, or not whan you die physically, depends entirely on whether you've repented of your SIN IN FAITH the Jesus SIN OFFERING on Calvary iwas for you.
If you have concern for your Spiritual condition, that's PROOF POSITIVE that you have NOT COMMITTED ANY UNFORGIVABLE SIN!!!! (although the devil certainly wants you to believe that - but he's a LIAR, and the father of LIES).
I suggest a visit with a Baptist, or Assembly of God minister, who can give you a face to face answer, and provide ministry to you. And Tell the devil to takes his LIES, and stick 'em where the sun don't shine.
How?
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If you believe it then you can go. These thoughts you have, I doubt, are the ultimate blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The devil loves to trick people into feeling they have sinned, when it is really the devil sinning.
The measure of holiness you have now should be the measure you end with Revelation 22:11.
Some people have really blasphemed the holy spirit in this life. Is what you have done really that bad? Or is the devil trying to make you believe what you have done is worse than it is?
If you can move on from what you have thought and still believe, then you will be saved. It is done by having faith to continue. If you keep faith in God, then Proverbs 23:18 applies to you, " 18There is surely a future hope for you, and your hope will not be cut off."
Cain lost faith that God would show him favor. God told Cain before he killed his brother, that if he kept on trying then God would eventually show favor to Cain. Cain didn't believe it and killed Abel anyway. Don't be like Cain and let Satan deceive you into thinking all hope is lost Genesis 4:6-7.
Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:4
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
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The only sin that will never be forgiven is "unbelief". The Holy Spirit is the person who "convicts" the world of sin of not believing in Jesus.
Jesus speaks about the Holy Spirit.
Joh 16:8 And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.
Joh 16:9 The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me.
Jesus speaks about the Holy Spirit.
Joh 16:8 And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.
Joh 16:9 The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me.
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Explain why you at any point thought Jesus and his works were evil.
The Pharisee were the ones who were wrong and they didn't see Jesus for who he was. They are the ones who made the Unforgivable sin.
The Pharisee were the ones who were wrong and they didn't see Jesus for who he was. They are the ones who made the Unforgivable sin.
I had these thoughts for a brief moment at the time and I tried to not believe it and rebuke it but it was too late.
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Hi Zack,
Satan's telling you to panic. I'm telling you instead of panicking do a study on this but look at the context. Matthew 12:31-32. The Pharisees who were highly paid religious leaders who were themselves unbelieving but who were propagating falsehood after falsehood, pious, unfeeling and self righteous, piling on guilt and pointless traditions, putting people off of their faith and leading others astray were accusing Jesus of being demon possessed. Jesus warned them that they may stray into being unforgiveable. Read also Matthew 23:23. Jesus had the Pharisees in mind when He was talking about those who were better off never having been born and should be chucked in the sea with a millstone around their necks Matthew 18:6
Having done that; meditate. Do you feel that you can empathise and relate to the Pharisees? Can you see where they're coming from? Are you in agreement with them? Well if so, then maybe you should worry, but seriously, no. I'm absolutely sure that God's not going to tap you on the shoulder, asking for the return of His gift to you of salvation, eternal life ever more and His Holy Spirit just because you've had a few wonky thoughts over which you've no control.
Forget it; God has. Now move on and thank and praise Him for all His gifts, especially that precious salvation but not forgetting His Holy Spirit, His love, The Bible, your brothers and sisters, forgiveness and righteousness, His protection, His provision ... I'm running out of time here lol. Just know that God purchased you at a horrific cost that He was prepared to pay so there's no way He's going to let you go. Your place in Heaven is assured so sit back, luxuriate and bask in Jesus's promise of peace John 14:27 but you have to accept it in faith and allow Him to work in you.
Have yourself an amazing Spirit filled day.
God bless. Love
Andy
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Anton Levey was the leader of the Satanic church. During his deathbed confession he said he knew he was going to hell and there was nothing he could do about it.
IMO, the very idea that Jesus and his works = evil is totally absurd. It's moronic.
Where in the Bible does anything He does or says equate to evil?
The Bible is a historical and religious text. There is plenty of evidence to back it.
People say it b/c of some of the stupid things that are in it. Slavery. There was two kinds: The kind of one person owning another which God hates. There is chatel slavery which is started by the soon-to-be servant. There was a contract.
The OT punishments were harsh. Thing is...God is the Creator, Judge, and Authority in all things so when He punishes someone it is just. Human way of thinking is highly flawed so no matter how you feel on it, He is always right.
Too many people blindly believe what someone else tells them without thinking or asking someone else.
Look at who God is throughout the Bible. He has every right to make the rules and punishments and your, mine, and everyone else's opinion is irrelevant.
The demons in the herd of pigs knew who He was. Stubborn people like the Pharisee are more concerned with watching people and making sure they follow the rules and traditions rather than our two greatest commandments.
The first great one is the first 4 are with regards to God.
The last 6 are how we are to treat each other.
That alone sums up the minimum of how we are to treat Him and others. People who say He's evil are lying and only repeating lies.
As I said, I tried to rebuke it quickly but it was too late. Be honest, is this my fault?
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@zack1900
I think a lot of people go through this. The scripture is set up so that Satan can accuse it everytime. It's like a logical conclusion that everyone reaches while reading it.
It's up to you to overbear the accusation and see things clearly. If you love the Holy Ghost, then you haven't blasphemed it. This is obviously one of Satan's favorite tricks to play on the newly converted because:
1. It is easy
2. It is the only unforgivable sin and is therefore highly feared
3. If Satan succeeds he may turn them away from the faith early.
4. Even if he doesn't succeed he can waste a lot of time and energy making you worried.
I think a lot of people go through this. The scripture is set up so that Satan can accuse it everytime. It's like a logical conclusion that everyone reaches while reading it.
It's up to you to overbear the accusation and see things clearly. If you love the Holy Ghost, then you haven't blasphemed it. This is obviously one of Satan's favorite tricks to play on the newly converted because:
1. It is easy
2. It is the only unforgivable sin and is therefore highly feared
3. If Satan succeeds he may turn them away from the faith early.
4. Even if he doesn't succeed he can waste a lot of time and energy making you worried.
First off, let us address the unforgiveable sin that the Holy Spirit will convict any one of.
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
So the unforgiveable sin is not believing in Jesus Christ.
So now we have to go to your reference in question.
Matthew 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Jesus said "Wherefore" at the beginning of verse 31 because of verse 30 in defining the actions and words of those seeking to scatter believers away from Him in spite of the miracles by saying He has a demon.
So the unforgiveable sin is the unbelieving among the Pharisees wishing to scatter potential believers away from Jesus for the miracles that were happening by Him.
That sin of not believing in Jesus Christ is the sin the Holy Spirit will convict an unbeliever of.
However, that sin is only unforgiven if the Pharisees and the sinner remain as unbelievers. If they repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead, then they are saved for His words to be true below.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Believe Him that all that the Father has given Him that believe in Him, He shall lose nothing which is the Father's will.
So the devil may put evil thoughts in your head, but all you need to do is say I believe in Jesus Christ & therefore I am saved and trust the Lord to help you think on good things as well as rest in your hope in Him for all things.
A Christian girl had posted at one time, not sure if it was this forum or not, that she had sinned against the Holy Ghost in the manner you described before she was saved and worried that she could not be saved. I pointed out to her that if she really did commit the unpardonable sin, why would God the Father bother to draw her unto the Son to reveal His Son to her so she can believe in Him if she really did commit the unpardonable sin to not be saved? So she is saved.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
And so are you when you had first believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead and therefore you are saved and have been saved ever since.
Believe Him and His words to you. If you still have doubts, ask Him for help to believe Him & His words to you as this father did for his son to be delivered from his demons & He will help you cast down wicked thoughts daily if need be.
Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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Dear Zack,
Since you've never introduced yourself here to the Believer Community called Talk Jesus. I will welcome you now!
Welcome to Talk Jesus an online Community of Believers in Christ Jesus called Talk Jesus!!!
Since you've joined in July of this year, it appears that you've had this subject, "Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit" on your mind and spirit. It can't seem to let you go. Probably due to the sin in your life, that you are being convicted of. You sin, and it becomes too much, and the little knowledge you have concerning Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit comes to mind, and you are accused of those same actions as being why you have failed/fallen from a preconceived belief of what it means to be righteous/without sin.
Convinced that I am going to hell forever
So I have been having thoughts that are saying similar things to what the pharisees said in Matthew 12:24 when they called the Holy Spirit demonic. I have these thoughts and I don't want to believe them but I think I can't be forgiven. I don't want to believe it but I don't know if I am doomed...
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How can I believe that Jesus is God? Is salvation still a possibility or am I a lost cause?
In my years with God, I have backslide many times and fell into sexual sin. I lost the desire to find God and Jesus Christ again. I can't read my Bible and pray. Seeking God seems impossible for me as I just wait until I die and burn alive. I don't know if God even has a plan for my life...
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Above are the postings you have started but have failed to come back to. Why you haven't I can't say. Maybe, after reading some of the replies they have made you feel better and confirmed that you have not Blasphemed against the Holy Spirit, and so you've moved on to live your life, that all is well...at least until it/sin starts to rear its ugly head again in your life, and you start succumbing to the temptation and sin again! Then you start another thread, seeking help/guidance. I don't know if this is true or not, but it seems the most logical to me. Some will tell you that they've been there done that. We sin, ask God for forgiveness, feel the peace/joy that comes with forgiveness, and we move on with living our lives. Doing/Changing nothing that will help strengthen us, grow us either in God's Word, or even more important in our relationship with Jesus!
Until you start putting into practice behaviors that provide you the wherewithal for instilling habits that are conducive to righteous living, you'll probably continue to repeat the very sinful behavior that are taring at your mind and spirit and hopefully driving you to your knees in asking forgiveness. Which in turn is bringing you back here to Talk Jesus, to get the support/help that is available to your fingertips even as you read these words. Or, it could be the opposite, Talk Jesus, then knee time talking to the One who can and will forgive you if you were to just ask.
Gosh, so many things come to mind, because I can relate to what you are going through. Is there a limit to how much I sin, before our Loving Lord and Savior Jesus says, enough is enough, away from me you repeat offender??? Do, I really mean my asking for forgiveness, because I am a repeat offender??? Ahhhhhh it goes on and on. We read a little more, pray a little more, and the cycle that is happening in our lives never seems to change. Live life, forget, sin, remorse, beat ourselves up more, pray, talk about/seeking help, repent, live is good...repeat
I feel your pain. It seems as if there is no end to it. Each time, the thoughts of why I keep doing this or why do I have to and why not just say hell with it, I was never forgiven in the first place, I won't be forgiven now, I just know it!!!
You keep looking for the easiest path that will give you peace. Even though an itch that is telling you that it's this life of Believing in Jesus Christ as my Savior, my Redeemer, my God is what you need to let go off is the one that will give you peace. I'm here to tell you it will "NOT" give you peace, comfort or any other word you can come up with that the enemy is whispering to you that will happen. Why? Because you're a Believer in the One and only Jesus Christ!!!God will never leave you or forsake you! And even more importantly in the situation you find yourself in:
"I, [even] I, [am] He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins. Isaiah 43:25 NKJV
What you probably think that happens is that the minute you sin again, that God brings back every sin you've ever done, and just adds this new one to the ever-growing list you have in your mind of the sins you've committed in your life!!! I tell you again, this is not so!!!
As far as the east is from the west, [So] far has He removed our transgressions from us. Psalm 103:12 NKJV
Oh, if you think about the above verse, you know that East and West never meet!!!
How cool is that!!!! So, God is not the problem, but the solution. It's the Adversary that keeps reminding you, and your own guilt that keeps telling you, because after all you're not perfect, and that's because you can't forgive yourself, so how can God forgive me!!!You know just enough Scripture (The unpardonable sin) that you latch unto, and the enemy will push it at you as well for as long as you let him. However, this concept that is torturing you is not about the repeating sin in your life, but about something that is clearly answered in the rest of Scripture if you were to take the time to look at it. Others here and on your other two threads have shown you this to be true by God's Word. If you don't believe them, then believe in God Words, which are His Word that He wants you to know!!!
Dear Brother Zach, if I may. If the temptations you are experiencing, that are moving you to sin are of the moral kind. Then I suggest you open a thread in the men's forum to have this discussion. This way Lord willing, other Godly men can help you with it/them.
You are not alone ever, and your experiences are not as unique as you may think they are. In Christ Jesus
"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." John 16:33 NKJV
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 1 John 4:4 NKJV
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. 1 John 5:4 NKJV
I hope these words and those of others who care for you and who are your Brethren in Christ Jesus will provide you some comfort, guidance, and most especially help in holding onto the faith you have in Christ Jesus.
With the Love of Christ Jesus, again be Welcomed to Talk Jesus!
YBIC
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IDK.
No one knows the mind of our Creator and Father. The Bible states in some form that many will think they are in good standing when they didn't really believe in the first place.
From what I've read over many, many questions and responses then the fear of doing it is somewhat of an indicator that one didn't mean or said/thought it out of ignorance.
The scary thing about Blasphemy is God is the only one who truly knows even when others have done far worse.
- You don't bargain with God.
- You don't test God.
- You don't mock God and expect to get away with it.
Biased. Unbiased. Both.
No one can give you a 100% truthful answer not even the Pope.
What is the best thing that I should do next? Any advice?
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I really don't know.
The Pharisee and others were the ones who experienced Jesus in person. Despite being "believers" or not they weren't the only ones who did it.
If you ask this question in different places you're going to get people who "think" they know the mind of God and can give you a solid, 100% Yes/No answer.
Most who are against us say/do stupid things out of ignorance and stupidity. They care more of what this world thinks of them than what God knows.
If anything, someone with such a question should seek a good, wise Bible teacher/leader NOT online but in person.
Given our limited thinking meat compared to God's then we can only conclude (with evidence) or infer so much.
The Pharisee and others were the ones who experienced Jesus in person. Despite being "believers" or not they weren't the only ones who did it.
If you ask this question in different places you're going to get people who "think" they know the mind of God and can give you a solid, 100% Yes/No answer.
Most who are against us say/do stupid things out of ignorance and stupidity. They care more of what this world thinks of them than what God knows.
If anything, someone with such a question should seek a good, wise Bible teacher/leader NOT online but in person.
Given our limited thinking meat compared to God's then we can only conclude (with evidence) or infer so much.
Did I commit this sin or not? What do you mean that the Pharisees weren't the only ones who committed this sin? Can it happen today?
You did not commit this sin because you believe in Jesus Christ.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
For Jesus to keep His word, to lose nothing of all the Father has given Him, then you can not commit that unforgiveable sin.
The devil may put evil thoughts in your head, but all you need to do is say I believe in Jesus Christ & therefore I am saved and trust the Lord to help you think on good things.
A Christian girl had posted at one time, not sure if it was this forum or not, that she had sinned against the Holy Ghost in the manner you described but verbally before she was saved & worried that she could not be saved. I pointed out to her that if she really did commit the unpardonable sin before she was saved, why would God the Father bother to draw her unto the Son to reveal His Son to her so she can believe in Him if she really did commit the unpardonable sin to not be saved?
And so she is saved.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
So now we have to go to your reference in question.
Matthew 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Jesus said "Wherefore" at the beginning of verse 31 because of verse 30 in defining the actions and words of those seeking to scatter believers away from Him in spite of the miracles by saying He has a demon.
So the unforgiveable sin is the unbelieving among the Pharisees wishing to scatter potential believers away from Jesus for the miracles that were happening by Him.
That sin of not believing in Jesus Christ is the sin the Holy Spirit will convict an unbeliever of.
However, that sin is only unforgiven if the Pharisees and the sinner remain as unbelievers. If they repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead, then they are saved for His words to be true below.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
