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Can Liberal Christianity Be Saved?

stephen

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The Berean Call.



CAN LIBERAL CHRISTIANITY BE SAVED?

IN 1998, John Shelby Spong, then the reliably controversial Episcopal bishop of Newark, published a book entitled "Why Christianity Must Change or Die." Spong was a uniquely radical figure -- during his career, he dismissed almost every element of traditional Christian faith as so much superstition -- but most recent leaders of the Episcopal Church have shared his premise. Thus their church has spent the last several decades changing and then changing some more, from a sedate pillar of the WASP establishment into one of the most self-consciously progressive Christian bodies in the United States.

Yet instead of attracting a younger, more open-minded demographic with these changes, the Episcopal Church's dying has proceeded apace. Last week, while the church's House of Bishops was approving a rite to bless same-sex unions, Episcopalian church attendance figures for 2000-10 circulated in the religion blogosphere. They showed something between a decline and a collapse: In the last decade, average Sunday attendance dropped 23 percent, and not a single Episcopal diocese in the country saw churchgoing increase.

This decline is the latest chapter in a story dating to the 1960s. The trends unleashed in that era -- not only the sexual revolution, but also consumerism and materialism, multiculturalism and relativism -- threw all of American Christianity into crisis, and ushered in decades of debate over how to keep the nation's churches relevant and vital.

Both religious and secular liberals have been loath to recognize this crisis. Leaders of liberal churches have alternated between a Monty Python-esque "it's just a flesh wound!" bravado and a weird self-righteousness about their looming extinction. (In a 2006 interview, the Episcopal Church's presiding bishop explained that her communion's members valued "the stewardship of the earth" too highly to reproduce themselves.)

What should be wished for, instead, is that liberal Christianity recovers a religious reason for its own existence. As the liberal Protestant scholar Gary Dorrien has pointed out, the Christianity that animated causes such as the Social Gospel and the civil rights movement was much more dogmatic than present-day liberal faith. Its leaders had a "deep grounding in Bible study, family devotions, personal prayer and worship." They argued for progressive reform in the context of "a personal transcendent God ... the divinity of Christ, the need of personal redemption and the importance of Christian missions."

Today, by contrast, the leaders of the Episcopal Church and similar bodies often don't seem to be offering anything you can't already get from a purely secular liberalism. Which suggests that perhaps they should pause, amid their frantic renovations, and consider not just what they would change about historic Christianity, but what they would defend and offer uncompromisingly to the world.



(Douthat, "Can Liberal Christianity Be Saved?" New York Times Online, 7/14/12).
 
The Berean Call.

Which suggests that perhaps they should pause, amid their frantic renovations, and consider not just what they would change about historic Christianity, but what they would defend and offer uncompromisingly to the world.

(Douthat, "Can Liberal Christianity Be Saved?" New York Times Online, 7/14/12).

The last sentence pretty much sums it all up.

If you choose to accommodate worldly beliefs, in place of the veracity of the Word of God when it comes to establishing or changing doctrine, you cannot help but fail
in the purpose set before you by our Lord and Savior Jesus.

I've always been curious what the clergy of contemporary churches would tell those who established these churches on why they've changed as they have. Even more, what will they answer the Lord when asked; you knew the truth, why didn't you teach it?

Thanks for sharing Stephen.
YBIC
C4E

Psalm 119:160 Thy word [is] true [from] the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments [endureth] for ever.
 
CAN LIBERAL CHRISTIANITY BE SAVED?

IN 1998, John Shelby Spong, then the reliably controversial Episcopal bishop of Newark, published a book entitled "Why Christianity Must Change or Die."


Oh, the irony:

John 12
24 Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 If anyone serves me, he mustfollow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.
 
Jesus died even for the sins of the Pharisees. They are indeed in a lot of trouble scripturally speaking but not beyond the reach of God's grace. Save them Lord and bring them back to the truth of Your Word.
 
This problem is not in just one denomination of 'Christianity', there are false churches and false leaders everywhere leading many astray;some are failing, some are flourishing, some so obvious, and some you just can't tell. These are the last days. The enemy's getting desperate. I pray for the mercy and grace of God upon us all to walk in His Life, Truth and Light and Holy Spirit enduring until the end. Jesus Christ IS the Word of God made flesh. One can only try to change the Word of God, one will never succeed - He is the same yesterday, today and forever. I pray for repentance and mercy upon those who do try. Do not be deceived, God is not mocked.

Blessings.
 
The Berean Call.



CAN LIBERAL CHRISTIANITY BE SAVED?

IN 1998, John Shelby Spong, then the reliably controversial Episcopal bishop of Newark, published a book entitled "Why Christianity Must Change or Die." Spong was a uniquely radical figure -- during his career, he dismissed almost every element of traditional Christian faith as so much superstition -- but most recent leaders of the Episcopal Church have shared his premise. Thus their church has spent the last several decades changing and then changing some more, from a sedate pillar of the WASP establishment into one of the most self-consciously progressive Christian bodies in the United States.

Yet instead of attracting a younger, more open-minded demographic with these changes, the Episcopal Church's dying has proceeded apace. Last week, while the church's House of Bishops was approving a rite to bless same-sex unions, Episcopalian church attendance figures for 2000-10 circulated in the religion blogosphere. They showed something between a decline and a collapse: In the last decade, average Sunday attendance dropped 23 percent, and not a single Episcopal diocese in the country saw churchgoing increase.

This decline is the latest chapter in a story dating to the 1960s. The trends unleashed in that era -- not only the sexual revolution, but also consumerism and materialism, multiculturalism and relativism -- threw all of American Christianity into crisis, and ushered in decades of debate over how to keep the nation's churches relevant and vital.

Both religious and secular liberals have been loath to recognize this crisis. Leaders of liberal churches have alternated between a Monty Python-esque "it's just a flesh wound!" bravado and a weird self-righteousness about their looming extinction. (In a 2006 interview, the Episcopal Church's presiding bishop explained that her communion's members valued "the stewardship of the earth" too highly to reproduce themselves.)

What should be wished for, instead, is that liberal Christianity recovers a religious reason for its own existence. As the liberal Protestant scholar Gary Dorrien has pointed out, the Christianity that animated causes such as the Social Gospel and the civil rights movement was much more dogmatic than present-day liberal faith. Its leaders had a "deep grounding in Bible study, family devotions, personal prayer and worship." They argued for progressive reform in the context of "a personal transcendent God ... the divinity of Christ, the need of personal redemption and the importance of Christian missions."

Today, by contrast, the leaders of the Episcopal Church and similar bodies often don't seem to be offering anything you can't already get from a purely secular liberalism. Which suggests that perhaps they should pause, amid their frantic renovations, and consider not just what they would change about historic Christianity, but what they would defend and offer uncompromisingly to the world.



(Douthat, "Can Liberal Christianity Be Saved?" New York Times Online, 7/14/12).


This is what happens, when you try to be all things to all men. Spong's education may have been stellar, but his liberal ideas are NOT Biblical in any way, shape or form. He has been a prodigious author and I have not read any of his tomes, but I'm sure I would have very little in common with his views, either of the world or Christianity and how it relates thereto.
Many men have tried to prove they are wiser then the bulk of their piers whether it be Liberal or Conservative Christians. The fact is when you try to show how wise or in-tune you think your are, is when God shows you just how little you really know. Psalm 111:10 says; The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.

Mr. Spong never really learned that, nor how to communicate the Good News to the world, so that it WOULD be relevant.
 
I agree with you Stan53, but seeing as Paul's strategy of the preaching was being all things to all men, and that it was successful, I would still aim to do the same. The flesh simply cannot receive the relevance of the Spirit. God's Spirit in power and mercy and love must break through in order to achieve repentance and salvation. The main point is our ministry should be Holy Spirit led, not fleshly. That's why this current church's efforts have so dismally failed. We must bear spiritual fruit for God. In this way, I don't think God looks at a church's spiritual growth in terms of number, though of course that's what He and all of us desire, but the sincerity of our belief in Him. If it were a choice of a million souls attending a 'worship' event and just walk away, or 1 single soul being given the Word of Knowledge or Wisdom from the Word of God that they would hear, believe and receive the salvation of the Lord Jesus Christ, I trust that God and Paul and other true believers would rejoice in that single soul every time. I'd like to be the one to choose that one person too. Back to the so-called worship event, if one, led by the Spirit, were to intervene and give that precious powerful Word from God to convict souls and therefore bring them to the full opportunity of repentance, how many of the leaders of said event would be in agreement, or positively indignant? The fleshly, pharisee-ical spirit is everywhere. But praise God, we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but are equipped by His Spirit to overcome.

Bless you guys.
 
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