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CAN WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?????

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Ladies and Gentlemen, we are called by our Lord Jesus to love one another. But we do not get to choose what loving one another means. God has defined what love means, and love means believing in Jesus, loving Jesus, obeying Jesus, serving Jesus. Jesus has commanded us to "be perfect, even as our Father in Heaven is perfect". That includes avoiding sin, pursuing holiness, doing good deeds, and.. yes, at times, when necessary rebuking each other, disagreeing with each other, correcting each other, and even at times it might even mean arguing with each other, using sarcasm towards one another, mocking one another. Yes, these things can be used at times, out of love, in order to make a point to help edify a brother or sister. However, i want to say something, and i am guilty of this as much as anyone (if not worse) when we correct, rebuke, argue, exhort, etc .. we are to do so out of LOVE, with gentleness, and kindness, and only when completely necessary. Now, I now i need to work on this. And I know you do too. So can we pray to God for His help, and try our best to act in love, even when we disagree? As brothers and sisters in Christ, we don't always have to get along, but we should at least always get along! Lets try to be eternally focused, realizing that we will spend forever together, and make sure to always behave as the salt of the earth.

For those of you who I have harbored resentments against, argued maliciously with, or just had generally negative feelings towards because of our disagreements; i apologize.
 
Great post Brother.
The point you make really needs to be applied when putting fingers to keyboard.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity. 1 Corinthians 13:13
Charity - Lexicon :: Strong's G26 - agapē - affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love

Once again great post.
YBIC
C4E
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, we are called by our Lord Jesus to love one another. But we do not get to choose what loving one another means. God has defined what love means, and love means believing in Jesus, loving Jesus, obeying Jesus, serving Jesus. Jesus has commanded us to "be perfect, even as our Father in Heaven is perfect". That includes avoiding sin, pursuing holiness, doing good deeds, and.. yes, at times, when necessary rebuking each other, disagreeing with each other, correcting each other, and even at times it might even mean arguing with each other, using sarcasm towards one another, mocking one another.

I was agreeing until I read the last part above.

The times we resort to sarcasm and mocking makes us less perfect. We, being human, are rarely if ever perfect, but my point is, dont try to defend being a mocker. Use the brain God gave you to think of a way to make your point without being a mocker.
 
@Brad Huber @TaylorDonBarret
Should have caught that on the "sarcasm and mocking". :(

I would add if I am the recipient of such i.e. sarcasm and mocking. The love I have for that person will continue. My love for them is not predicated upon their behavior. I just pray that I am not the giver of such. For it can be hurtful and demeaning, which are not attributes one associates with Love.
 
A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.
Proverbs 25:11


Yes amen @TaylorDonBarret thannkyou for posting this thought provoking message

And in agreement with your posts @Brad Huber @Christ4Ever

We have the word of God as our lamp and guide....


Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:29-32


He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Micah 6:8


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I appreciate all the support for my post. I love you guys. I would like to take a moment to defend sarcasm and mockery, however I would say that maybe I should have used to word "satire" instead of sarcasm.

The Bible is filled with examples of prophets using satire in order to show people the error of their ways. God even mocked and ridiculed Job.
Satire can be used, in love, when a person is not being receptive gentle exhortations, in order to show a person the error of their ways.

The Holy Spirit says:

"Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Or you will also be like him.
Answer a fool as his folly deserves,
That he not be wise in his own eyes."

(Proverbs 26:4-5)

To me, what that means it that we should not try to debate or argue with a person when they are being foolish, instead we just flip them on their backside by showing them how foolish they are being. And to me, the easiest and most direct way of doing that is just to use satire, to gently mock them, by turning their words around on them and showing them how foolish they are. I think this is what we see God doing to Job, and what we see the prophets doing throughout the bible.






Here is a good article on the subject=


"Sarcasm is the use of irony (saying one thing while meaning another) or other rhetorical devices in a biting, hurtful way. There is a difference between sarcasm and satire, although they are related. Satire is the use of irony or ridicule to expose foolishness, but without the “bite” of sarcasm. Satire is gentler; sarcasm is more derisive and sneering.

The question is, is satire or sarcasm ever appropriate? This would be easy enough to resolve if not for the fact that God uses satire in several places in Scripture. For example, Paul's words in this passage:

You are already filled, you have already become rich, you have become kings without us; and indeed, I wish that you had become kings so that we also might reign with you. For, I think, God has exhibited us apostles last of all, as men condemned to death; because we have become a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are prudent in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are distinguished, but we are without honor. To this present hour we are both hungry and thirsty, and are poorly clothed, and are roughly treated, and are homeless; and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; when we are slandered, we try to conciliate; we have become as the scum of the world, the dregs of all things, even until now. 1 Corinthians 4:8-13

Is Paul's language ironic here? Absolutely. Was it hurtful? Intentionally so. Yet, because his intent was to lead the stubborn Corinthians to the truth, it can still be considered loving. In fact, Paul followed this passage with, "I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children."

The Corinthians would not have considered Paul’s language intentionally cruel. Instead, they would have recognized Paul was using rhetoric to make a point. The Corinthians felt superior to Paul, casting judgment on him. So he calls them spiritual kings and says, ironically, that God considers His apostles “scum” and “dregs.”

The passage sounds sarcastic. It says one thing while meaning another in a way that makes the hearers look foolish. But Paul’s method was not meant as a personal insult. The goal was to grab the readers’ attention and correct a false way of thinking. In other words, Paul’s words are satirical, but not sarcastic. They are spoken in love to “beloved children.”

Other passages in the Bible that use satire include Isaiah’s ridicule of idol-makers (Isaiah 40:19-20), God’s taunting of Egypt (Jeremiah 46:11), and Elijah’s gibes directed at the prophets of Baal (1 Kings 18:27). Jesus Himself used satire in the form of hyperbole when He told His hearers to “take the plank out of your own eye” (Matthew 7:5).

Therefore, we can say that irony is fine; irony is a figure of speech that can bring attention and clarity to a situation. Sometimes, irony can be painful because the truth it reveals is convicting. Satire, which uses irony to gently deride and prompt needful change, can be appropriate on occasion; we have examples of satire in Scripture.

Sarcasm, on the other hand, is not appropriate. Sarcasm has at its core the intent to insult or to be hurtful with no corresponding love or wish for well-being. Instead, the goal of sarcasm is to belittle the victim and elevate the speaker. Jesus warned against such harsh, unloving words in Matthew 5:22. Our words should be helpful and edifying, even if they are uncomfortable to the hearer.

We should speak the truth with loving intent (Ephesians 4:15), avoiding “foolish talk or coarse joking” (Ephesians 5:4). We should speak in such a way that the hearer will understand our motivation. And we should never be malicious or cruel. Carefully worded irony may be fitting, but malicious sarcasm is not."
 
I appreciate all the support for my post. I love you guys. I would like to take a moment to defend sarcasm and mockery, however I would say that maybe I should have used to word "satire" instead of sarcasm.

The Bible is filled with examples of prophets using satire in order to show people the error of their ways. God even mocked and ridiculed Job.
Satire can be used, in love, when a person is not being receptive gentle exhortations, in order to show a person the error of their ways.

The Holy Spirit says:

"Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Or you will also be like him.
Answer a fool as his folly deserves,
That he not be wise in his own eyes."

(Proverbs 26:4-5)

To me, what that means it that we should not try to debate or argue with a person when they are being foolish, instead we just flip them on their backside by showing them how foolish they are being. And to me, the easiest and most direct way of doing that is just to use satire, to gently mock them, by turning their words around on them and showing them how foolish they are. I think this is what we see God doing to Job, and what we see the prophets doing throughout the bible.






Here is a good article on the subject=


"Sarcasm is the use of irony (saying one thing while meaning another) or other rhetorical devices in a biting, hurtful way. There is a difference between sarcasm and satire, although they are related. Satire is the use of irony or ridicule to expose foolishness, but without the “bite” of sarcasm. Satire is gentler; sarcasm is more derisive and sneering.

The question is, is satire or sarcasm ever appropriate? This would be easy enough to resolve if not for the fact that God uses satire in several places in Scripture. For example, Paul's words in this passage:

You are already filled, you have already become rich, you have become kings without us; and indeed, I wish that you had become kings so that we also might reign with you. For, I think, God has exhibited us apostles last of all, as men condemned to death; because we have become a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are prudent in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are distinguished, but we are without honor. To this present hour we are both hungry and thirsty, and are poorly clothed, and are roughly treated, and are homeless; and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; when we are slandered, we try to conciliate; we have become as the scum of the world, the dregs of all things, even until now. 1 Corinthians 4:8-13

Is Paul's language ironic here? Absolutely. Was it hurtful? Intentionally so. Yet, because his intent was to lead the stubborn Corinthians to the truth, it can still be considered loving. In fact, Paul followed this passage with, "I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children."

The Corinthians would not have considered Paul’s language intentionally cruel. Instead, they would have recognized Paul was using rhetoric to make a point. The Corinthians felt superior to Paul, casting judgment on him. So he calls them spiritual kings and says, ironically, that God considers His apostles “scum” and “dregs.”

The passage sounds sarcastic. It says one thing while meaning another in a way that makes the hearers look foolish. But Paul’s method was not meant as a personal insult. The goal was to grab the readers’ attention and correct a false way of thinking. In other words, Paul’s words are satirical, but not sarcastic. They are spoken in love to “beloved children.”

Other passages in the Bible that use satire include Isaiah’s ridicule of idol-makers (Isaiah 40:19-20), God’s taunting of Egypt (Jeremiah 46:11), and Elijah’s gibes directed at the prophets of Baal (1 Kings 18:27). Jesus Himself used satire in the form of hyperbole when He told His hearers to “take the plank out of your own eye” (Matthew 7:5).

Therefore, we can say that irony is fine; irony is a figure of speech that can bring attention and clarity to a situation. Sometimes, irony can be painful because the truth it reveals is convicting. Satire, which uses irony to gently deride and prompt needful change, can be appropriate on occasion; we have examples of satire in Scripture.

Sarcasm, on the other hand, is not appropriate. Sarcasm has at its core the intent to insult or to be hurtful with no corresponding love or wish for well-being. Instead, the goal of sarcasm is to belittle the victim and elevate the speaker. Jesus warned against such harsh, unloving words in Matthew 5:22. Our words should be helpful and edifying, even if they are uncomfortable to the hearer.

We should speak the truth with loving intent (Ephesians 4:15), avoiding “foolish talk or coarse joking” (Ephesians 5:4). We should speak in such a way that the hearer will understand our motivation. And we should never be malicious or cruel. Carefully worded irony may be fitting, but malicious sarcasm is not."
Yes, I believe that satire and sarcasm are definitively too close to mess with. Maybe it was appropriate for Paul in some situations, but I just as soon avoid being sarcastic or satirical. For me the risk doesn't out-way the reward.:)
 
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