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What are your thoughts?
I would like to have a rational and logical discussion on this topic. You can post scripture, but please don't cherry pick and troll the thread with blind postings of scripture.
First, properly explain your thoughts and beliefs, then, accompany them with scripture.
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I will start by saying that this is a very simple topic that more than half of Christians get wrong.
The answer to the thread title is a resounding NO! I am going to prove the correct answer with a sound scriptural mathematical equation.
A = Criminal next to Jesus on the cross. Repents of his sins and accepts Jesus as Lord. God sends him to eternal bliss.
B = David. Repents of his sins daily and accepts Jesus / God. God keeps him alive on earth to serve. He gives 55 years of faithful service. After this commits two mortal sins. One adultery and one murder. My addition for the example - He gets caught murdering and is slain in the process. He wakes up in hell and is advised that he will spend eternity there.
C = David. Repents of his sins daily and accepts Jesus / God. God keeps him alive on earth to serve. He gives 55 years of faithful service. After this commits two mortal sins. One adultery and one murder. My addition for the example - He gets caught murdering and is slain in the process. He wakes up in heaven and God says 'I know you would have repented as you accepted me and gave 55 years of service, here is your crown and plentiful rewards.
D = God is just Job 34:12.
Equation:
D = A and or C
D ≠ B and can never equal B.
In no universe and on no planet is a perversion of justice as highlighted in B, ever going to be evidence of a righteous judgement! and God is righteous Psalm 45:17 and just Job 34:12.
It is high time all Christians understand that it should be unthinkable that God pervert justice.
Job 34:12 It is unthinkable that God would do wrong, that the Almighty would pervert justice.
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Many will wonder what my intention is in posting this thread. Yet another potential OSAS vs non-OSAS discussion.
So, allow me to be crystal clear and perhaps focus the discussion away from our cliched discussions;
I am so TIRED of Christians WORRYING about their SALVATION and not FOCUSING on SERVING God!!!!!!
If God calls you to go and minister to sinners, falling into sin should be the LAST thing on your mind. Saving them and serving God, 'your intention', is all that matters to God. Your mistakes could have a severe impact on those who love you, but not with God. God will ALWAYS see you as a SERVANT who made a MISTAKE. Eager to greet you into heaven and wash all the dirt off you.
If you are a true Christian as explained here What is a Christian and how do you become one? and here So tired of Christians not knowing what a Christian is!, you are exactly like a 'David' in point C.
I would like to close with a verse that deserves to be read a couple of times:
Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
I would like to have a rational and logical discussion on this topic. You can post scripture, but please don't cherry pick and troll the thread with blind postings of scripture.
First, properly explain your thoughts and beliefs, then, accompany them with scripture.
-------------------------------
I will start by saying that this is a very simple topic that more than half of Christians get wrong.
The answer to the thread title is a resounding NO! I am going to prove the correct answer with a sound scriptural mathematical equation.
A = Criminal next to Jesus on the cross. Repents of his sins and accepts Jesus as Lord. God sends him to eternal bliss.
B = David. Repents of his sins daily and accepts Jesus / God. God keeps him alive on earth to serve. He gives 55 years of faithful service. After this commits two mortal sins. One adultery and one murder. My addition for the example - He gets caught murdering and is slain in the process. He wakes up in hell and is advised that he will spend eternity there.
C = David. Repents of his sins daily and accepts Jesus / God. God keeps him alive on earth to serve. He gives 55 years of faithful service. After this commits two mortal sins. One adultery and one murder. My addition for the example - He gets caught murdering and is slain in the process. He wakes up in heaven and God says 'I know you would have repented as you accepted me and gave 55 years of service, here is your crown and plentiful rewards.
D = God is just Job 34:12.
Equation:
D = A and or C
D ≠ B and can never equal B.
In no universe and on no planet is a perversion of justice as highlighted in B, ever going to be evidence of a righteous judgement! and God is righteous Psalm 45:17 and just Job 34:12.
It is high time all Christians understand that it should be unthinkable that God pervert justice.
Job 34:12 It is unthinkable that God would do wrong, that the Almighty would pervert justice.
------------------------------
Many will wonder what my intention is in posting this thread. Yet another potential OSAS vs non-OSAS discussion.
So, allow me to be crystal clear and perhaps focus the discussion away from our cliched discussions;
I am so TIRED of Christians WORRYING about their SALVATION and not FOCUSING on SERVING God!!!!!!
If God calls you to go and minister to sinners, falling into sin should be the LAST thing on your mind. Saving them and serving God, 'your intention', is all that matters to God. Your mistakes could have a severe impact on those who love you, but not with God. God will ALWAYS see you as a SERVANT who made a MISTAKE. Eager to greet you into heaven and wash all the dirt off you.
If you are a true Christian as explained here What is a Christian and how do you become one? and here So tired of Christians not knowing what a Christian is!, you are exactly like a 'David' in point C.
I would like to close with a verse that deserves to be read a couple of times:
Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
