Casting out demons

[KingJ]

I believe that there is a lot to consider on this topic and it deserves a thorough discussion and review.

Many have demons in their house. Many are harassed by demons and don't know it. Many are harassed by demons and do know it. Many think they can cast out demons and can't. Many think they are spiritual warfare experts if they can cast out demons. Do they cast out demons? Why do demons need to be cast out? What are demons? Why are demons around me in the first place? Must a walk around looking to almost have a physical fight with demons?

I believe most peoples thinking and teaching on this topic is erroneous and terrible. I am by no means an expert, but I know enough to call 'nonsense' on a lot of 'nonsense'. I do not believe we should be going around casting demons out of everyone as some do.

1. What is a demon.

A demon is a fallen angel. Angels in heaven had free will and many chose to pull the middle finger to God and were removed from His presence. Think of it as sinners whose sin 'became' full measure. Or extremely grievous. If you are a Catholic, they would all be guilty of 'mortal sin'. We see in scripture that God only gives up on sinners when this happens Gen 15:16 'Sin of Amorites was not full measure', Gen 18:20 'Sins of Sodom were grievous'. As such there is no 'nice' demon. They are all 'sold out' to a love of what is evil. At various levels as with all sinners. Sin is sin but it also has degrees. Some demons are currently locked up Jude 1:6 then we know there are many roaming from various scriptures like Mark 5:15.

2. How many demons are there?

If you calculate according to Heb 12:22 you will arrive at 100 million. If you take a third of them being 'fallen stars', you arrive at 33 million. If you assume 10% are locked up, you arrive at a potential 30 million on earth right now. That is 3.75 to each person.

3. What are they busy doing?

Those locked up, probably not much other then what you would expect someone in a prison to do. Those roaming, well this get's interesting. We know that the devil is roaming, but heavily restricted from verse 1 Pet 5:8 as scripture is clear he is looking for 'whom' he can devour. He can't just 'devour' anyone. We also know from 2 Thess 2:6-8 that the Holy Spirit / God restrains him. The other roaming demons? Well, before anyone gets scared, know that we each have a guardian angel who watched over us 24/7 Psalm 34:7, Psalm 91:11, Matt 18:10. So, what are they doing? I believe scripture tells us a lot.

A. They interact with evil society.

During Noah's day they presented themselves as Nephilim Gen 6. Now I personally believe demons made bodies for themselves that they possessed. But many disagree with me and believe demons has relations with woman and their offspring were giants. Either way, the only point I want to make is that demons interacted with mankind when society at large was...evil.

B. They possess people.

We know this from many scriptures. Matt 8:16 for example says 'many' were brought Jesus. Possessions were a real problem in His day. Our body seems to be some kind of vehicle that can offer a ride to them. They clearly want to take part in what we are doing. Now this makes sense with point A above. The two tie up. When we are doing evil things, these fallen angels probably have a chat with our guardian angel and say ''hey, let me past, this guy is doing something I would do''. I do believe it is as simple as that.

They do a lot more, I will post further later. For now, these two are important to grasp as they relate to an exorcism.

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So now, exorcism....

We need to consider a few things.

1. We are not living in the days of Jesus or prior.

At the time of Jesus, there was no 'restrainer' 2 Thess 2:6-8. There was no 'Christianity at large'. There was no 'Jesus in us' 1 Cor 6:19. Demons today have a much harder time then they did before Jesus. Fact. I would argue that in a first world Christian country, there are not many instances where you would need to perform an exorcism (if any).

2. God does not hate demons.

We know that God loves animals, yet Jesus cast demons into swine Mark 5:12. We see that by doing this He clearly favored honoring their request over the livelihood of the swine. This says a lot. We must remember this.

3. Wicked people open the door to demons.

You are foolish if you try cast demons out of a wicked person Matt 12:43-45. If the said individual does not want Jesus, they 'want' the demons. They are not possessed because they love Jesus.

4. A Christian has overwhelming authority in Jesus.

As a Christian you have complete power over demons. They know every Christian by name. You are their enemy. What happened in Acts 19:16 will never happen to you. Knowing this, you can become out of order as a Christian where you go around 'harassing demons'. As a Christian, you need to grasp that demons run and leave when someone accepts Jesus. There is hardly a need for an exorcism.

Conclusion:

I do not want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Many times exorcism are necessary and needed. I propose that in all those instances where you think one is necessary you find a very mature Christian to share Jesus with the possessed person. You can do more damage then good if you lay hands on just anyone and harass demons.

We are created just beneath the angels Heb 2:7. There is a lot we have in common with each other. Let's not be 'mad' and 'power trip' if we are good at harassing them. We achieve nothing if we cast demons out of a person. We only have victory if someone accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jesus will then chase the demons.

Demons possess and harass because said individuals open the door to them. It is possible to think you are in spiritual warfare but not actually be in it.

Let's not be Matt 7:22 type Christians! Matt 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

 

[joestue]

I've been on the internet since around 2000, and I've not found any new information on demons after about 2006 at this point. With a few exceptions: the former moderator of r/demons told me she aborted her hybrid human-demon entity that she and a demon had "created" somehow. She told me sometimes Jesus gives her peace about what happened. I had been wondering for a decade if such a thing is possible, because i've heard all the alien abduction fake pregnancy testimonies. maybe there is something to them.

A second possible exception, is in 2013 i found a video of a tour guide who brought a group of people to a stargate in peru. He didn't video tape the experienced they had while using it, but he did video tape their testimony of their experience, and, it was pretty wacky stuff. One person who I personally felt like he was a christian, he saw what i could only describe as an extremely long hall way of dead idols, statues of stone. What I found interesting about that testimony is one person claimed he was glowing red while using the stargate, another claimed he appeared to be glowing white. This is pretty normal for demonic stuff... the witnesses never report seeing the same thing!!

Anyhow i've been to a Jon ramirez spiritual warfare conference in sep 2019.. 2 full days long. Didn't learn anything new. Lots of claiming authority while making blind prayers. Hardly once did he actually encourage people to ask Jesus what to pray about. Lots of "ask Jesus for more authority type grandstanding" but not from a humble perspective. Lots of "take charge over your household" etc. Claiming biblical promises to the israelites, that probably don't apply to us today type of prayers.

Also why is all the interesting information always from former satanists, former occult, former wicca, former.. prostitutes to evil. where are the books written by men who have not had a lifestyle of sin? Well they do exist, and they aren't super popular. selling millions, not tens of millions of books.

 

[joestue]

I've had a wide variety of experiences myself and I suppose if I was more mature, I would never speak to anyone about them again.

In my former friends house, an unexpected exorcism occured. Its not clear if I cast the demon out, or if he did, or if she did, but it later became evident she won the war against these evil entities that were in her. (She shuddered at even attempting to describe them later.)
When she found some faith to fight back, during the exorcism/manifestation of them, she was able to kick them out, and that's when the chaos ended.

My former friend did express some anger at the situation later, saying "you can't cast a demon out when you're being harassed by your own sin" but i don't know if he had supernatural knowledge of what was hindering me, or if he was talking about himself.

again this was an unexpected exorcism, we didn't really suspect she was demonized (very traumatized though).. and this was the first time for them. i had only cast demons out of 2 other people, behind their back before, so it was completely unexpected.

 

[KingJ]

Thanks for sharing @joestue

My former friend did express some anger at the situation later, saying "you can't cast a demon out when you're being harassed by your own sin" but i don't know if he had supernatural knowledge of what was hindering me, or if he was talking about himself.

I find this line interesting. I am pretty sure you can. We all sin. In my experience / limited knowledge on the topic one would need to be in a gross / mortal type of sin to be unable to remove them.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I believe that there is a lot to consider on this topic and it deserves a thorough discussion and review.

Many have demons in their house. Many are harassed by demons and don't know it. Many are harassed by demons and do know it. Many think they can cast out demons and can't. Many think they are spiritual warfare experts if they can cast out demons. Do they cast out demons? Why do demons need to be cast out? What are demons? Why are demons around me in the first place? Must a walk around looking to almost have a physical fight with demons?

I believe most peoples thinking and teaching on this topic is erroneous and terrible. I am by no means an expert, but I know enough to call 'nonsense' on a lot of 'nonsense'. I do not believe we should be going around casting demons out of everyone as some do.

1. What is a demon.

A demon is a fallen angel. Angels in heaven had free will and many chose to pull the middle finger to God and were removed from His presence. Think of it as sinners whose sin 'became' full measure. Or extremely grievous. If you are a Catholic, they would all be guilty of 'mortal sin'. We see in scripture that God only gives up on sinners when this happens Gen 15:16 'Sin of Amorites was not full measure', Gen 18:20 'Sins of Sodom were grievous'. As such there is no 'nice' demon. They are all 'sold out' to a love of what is evil. At various levels as with all sinners. Sin is sin but it also has degrees. Some demons are currently locked up Jude 1:6 then we know there are many roaming from various scriptures like Mark 5:15.

2. How many demons are there?

If you calculate according to Heb 12:22 you will arrive at 100 million. If you take a third of them being 'fallen stars', you arrive at 33 million. If you assume 10% are locked up, you arrive at a potential 30 million on earth right now. That is 3.75 to each person.

3. What are they busy doing?

Those locked up, probably not much other then what you would expect someone in a prison to do. Those roaming, well this get's interesting. We know that the devil is roaming, but heavily restricted from verse 1 Pet 5:8 as scripture is clear he is looking for 'whom' he can devour. He can't just 'devour' anyone. We also know from 2 Thess 2:6-8 that the Holy Spirit / God restrains him. The other roaming demons? Well, before anyone gets scared, know that we each have a guardian angel who watched over us 24/7 Psalm 34:7, Psalm 91:11, Matt 18:10. So, what are they doing? I believe scripture tells us a lot.

A. They interact with evil society.

During Noah's day they presented themselves as Nephilim Gen 6. Now I personally believe demons made bodies for themselves that they possessed. But many disagree with me and believe demons has relations with woman and their offspring were giants. Either way, the only point I want to make is that demons interacted with mankind when society at large was...evil.

B. They possess people.

We know this from many scriptures. Matt 8:16 for example says 'many' were brought Jesus. Possessions were a real problem in His day. Our body seems to be some kind of vehicle that can offer a ride to them. They clearly want to take part in what we are doing. Now this makes sense with point A above. The two tie up. When we are doing evil things, these fallen angels probably have a chat with our guardian angel and say ''hey, let me past, this guy is doing something I would do''. I do believe it is as simple as that.

They do a lot more, I will post further later. For now, these two are important to grasp as they relate to an exorcism.

-----------------------------------

So now, exorcism....

We need to consider a few things.

1. We are not living in the days of Jesus or prior.

At the time of Jesus, there was no 'restrainer' 2 Thess 2:6-8. There was no 'Christianity at large'. There was no 'Jesus in us' 1 Cor 6:19. Demons today have a much harder time then they did before Jesus. Fact. I would argue that in a first world Christian country, there are not many instances where you would need to perform an exorcism (if any).

2. God does not hate demons.

We know that God loves animals, yet Jesus cast demons into swine Mark 5:12. We see that by doing this He clearly favored honoring their request over the livelihood of the swine. This says a lot. We must remember this.

3. Wicked people open the door to demons.

You are foolish if you try cast demons out of a wicked person Matt 12:43-45. If the said individual does not want Jesus, they 'want' the demons. They are not possessed because they love Jesus.

4. A Christian has overwhelming authority in Jesus.

As a Christian you have complete power over demons. They know every Christian by name. You are their enemy. What happened in Acts 19:16 will never happen to you. Knowing this, you can become out of order as a Christian where you go around 'harassing demons'. As a Christian, you need to grasp that demons run and leave when someone accepts Jesus. There is hardly a need for an exorcism.

Conclusion:

I do not want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Many times exorcism are necessary and needed. I propose that in all those instances where you think one is necessary you find a very mature Christian to share Jesus with the possessed person. You can do more damage then good if you lay hands on just anyone and harass demons.

We are created just beneath the angels Heb 2:7. There is a lot we have in common with each other. Let's not be 'mad' and 'power trip' if we are good at harassing them. We achieve nothing if we cast demons out of a person. We only have victory if someone accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jesus will then chase the demons.

Demons possess and harass because said individuals open the door to them. It is possible to think you are in spiritual warfare but not actually be in it.

Let's not be Matt 7:22 type Christians! Matt 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

With all due respect, my friend, you do not know what you're talking about. When one does not know, one should keep quiet on the subject

 

[KingJ]

With all due respect, my friend, you do not know what you're talking about. When one does not know, one should keep quiet on the subject

This post is so cringe.

 

[MadHermit]

Wben my younger brother was 16, we were watching a hockey game on Canadian TV, when he suddenly got up, announcing that he had just been told that God wanted him to perform an exorcism at a specified location. He is now a retired doctor and had never done anything remotely like that before or since. So at first it didn't compute with me, but after he left for the bus, I began to worry about what he was getting into. God had directed him to a distant Christian coffee house. When he arrived, at first he felt silly because nothing was happening. Then a stranger shouted, "Wow, the last time I was in a Christian coffee house, there was an exorcism!!" My brother took this as a sign that he should wait a little longer. Then a group of teenagers arrived and were challenging youth to a fight if they tried to enter the coffee house, God told my brother which teen was possessed and he courageously walked outside and confronted the guy, addressing him by name and telling him he was possessed and needed an exorcism. Tbe guy scoffed, laughing, and shouted, "OK, bring it on!" My brother gently touched him on the forehead and the guy fell prostrate as jf were electricuted, frothing at the mouth. After a minute or so, he just lay still and said quietly said, "Thank you." The other gang members were so scared they talked about getting right with God, but I don't know how far they took this. His mission completed, my brother returned home with great fear after having contronted pure evil in this way. His fear blocked him from ever discussing the matter again when I later asked for more information.

 

[KingJ]

Thanks for sharing @MadHermit

 

[backNforth]

Spotted your OP this afternoon. I am involved in a ministry of deliverance. Was there something specific you wanted to discuss?

 

[KingJ]

Spotted your OP this afternoon. I am involved in a ministry of deliverance. Was there something specific you wanted to discuss?

Yes, sure. Perhaps you can cast some insight into when an exorcism is required.

I am of the opinion that it is seldom if ever. Those I have experienced were individuals looking for attention.

But as I stated in my OP, I will not throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[backNforth]

Perhaps you can cast some insight into when an exorcism is required.

Unfortunately, it's a lot more often than most would think. And it's not "exorcism," but deliverance. Exorcism is what, for example, the RCC calls it.

You and I had an exchange in a thread back here, where we covered some of this. Exorcism is not the same as deliverance. Exorcists are "clouds without rain." Virtually the whole lot of them do not (cannot) appropriate the power of the blood because THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. They simply can't afford to believe in it because that worldly credentialed "pastor" is afraid of losing both his place and his nation (his status and his stuff) - John 11:48. The King is gonna come down hard on the supposed house of God for sins like that.

But getting back to the need, well, it is huge. Ppl have been brainwashed by mainstream evangelical Christianity into believing that they don't have any unclean spirits residing within, so it's not on their radar. They leave deliverance to the so-called "church experts" and the witch doctors and ignorantly carry on in their satanically oppressed double-mindedness.

Those I have experienced were individuals looking for attention.

Yes, that pride thing comes into it from both parties - from the oppressed, and from the "exorcists." Pride absolutely kills a deliverance, but that won't stop one demon from throwing another demon under the bus, to fake you out into thinking your "exorcism" attempt was successful.

I do not believe we should be going around casting demons out of everyone as some do.

This is some of that prideful showboating we've been intimating. The reality is that Jesus spent a major portion of his ministry doing deliverance. And we should be like him. Just because the mainstream "church" is asleep on this, doesn't mean believers should be asleep, as well. The need for genuine deliverance is far greater than anyone could imagine.

At the time of Jesus, there was no 'restrainer'

Many would say that the restrainer has recently been removed.

3. Wicked people open the door to demons.

True. Sin opens the door.

You are foolish if you try cast demons out of a wicked person

Rather, you are foolish if you cast demons out of an unbeliever, as that demon will eventually return with six of his buddies.

4. A Christian has overwhelming authority in Jesus. As a Christian you have complete power over demons.

True, but he doesn't use it - doesn't know how, wasn't taught how.

 

[joestue]

I don't think God is bothered too much if you do end up casting a demon out of a wicked person. If they let it back in, that is their problem and their short time of being free from such matters is a testimony against them. Maybe it will inspire them to repent later, maybe it will wake them up to the reality that they are demonized.

I do not believe we have blanket authority over demons. We only have authority over them in situational case by case basis. If the person actually comes to you for deliverance, then that's all it takes, their desire to get rid of the demon, or to get help is enough for you cast it out, behind their back, or pray for them in other ways that get them the help they need. (i've done this with 3 people)

Sometimes a demonized person will be delivered out of your presence another way. As in, the cops get called and they go to jail, or they move on with their life on their own. Whether or not they stay demonized isn't your problem. its theirs.

 

[backNforth]

I don't think God is bothered too much if you do end up casting a demon out of a wicked person. If they let it back in, that is their problem and their short time of being free from such matters is a testimony against them.

On the face of it, that would be selfish. However, there might be a situation where time is of the essence and God would honor an attempted deliverance involving an unbeliever. In my experience, I have had unbelievers (as well as believers) manifest demons at the mere mention of the name of Jesus.

Maybe it will inspire them to repent later, maybe it will wake them up to the reality that they are demonized.

Well, check out the Gadarene madman @Mark 5:6-10, who had 100's if not 1000's of demons within him:

But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

Say what??? When this poor fella saw Jesus, he ran and worshipped him. When is the last time you heard of any demons running toward Jesus? IOW, it was the man, and not the demon(s), who exercised his free will (what little he may have had) in making the decision to run to Jesus. The number of demons didn't figure here; the man ran to Jesus for help. This man was submitting to Jesus' authority. THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR EFFECTIVE DELIVERANCE.

"...whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered" (Joel 2:32).

I do not believe we have blanket authority over demons. We only have authority over them in situational case by case basis.

Of course. "Deliverance minister" is not a title, it's not a blanket, it's a calling. Thus, it requires wisdom and discernment, among other things, to wield effectively. "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." But if you're operating in pride or hidden sin, for instance, you can forget about appropriating any of the Holy Spirit's authority.

If the person actually comes to you for deliverance, then that's all it takes, their desire to get rid of the demon...

...like the Gadarene madman.

...or to get help is enough for you cast it out, behind their back, or pray for them in other ways that get them the help they need. (i've done this with 3 people)

Again, there is more than one way to skin that cat. However, the bottom line is that there is no "blanket authority" with man. All authority comes from God and is always on his terms, not ours. And yes, prayer matters! It's our main line of communication to the Holy Spirit. We are even told how to pray, just in case we don't get it: After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven... (Mat. 6:9).

Sometimes a demonized person will be delivered out of your presence another way. As in, the cops get called and they go to jail, or they move on with their life on their own. Whether or not they stay demonized isn't your problem. its theirs.

However, there is a responsibility that one shoulders when one decides to step into the ring re: a deliverance session. For example, if you cast out a demon from an unbeliever, and leave it there, you've not done the poor guy any favor because we know that more demons will return to that unbeliever soon enough and that man will be set further back into bondage than he was initially. This is why counselling the man first is so important, so integral, to any subsequent deliverance. This is also where many showboaters fail the test of a true minister of deliverance because they can't be bothered with a gospel witness or with any follow-up or are not skilled in witnessing.

 

[th1bill]

I believe that there is a lot to consider on this topic and it deserves a thorough discussion and review.

Many have demons in their house. Many are harassed by demons and don't know it. Many are harassed by demons and do know it. Many think they can cast out demons and can't. Many think they are spiritual warfare experts if they can cast out demons. Do they cast out demons? Why do demons need to be cast out? What are demons? Why are demons around me in the first place? Must a walk around looking to almost have a physical fight with demons?

I believe most peoples thinking and teaching on this topic is erroneous and terrible. I am by no means an expert, but I know enough to call 'nonsense' on a lot of 'nonsense'. I do not believe we should be going around casting demons out of everyone as some do.

1. What is a demon.

A demon is a fallen angel. Angels in heaven had free will and many chose to pull the middle finger to God and were removed from His presence. Think of it as sinners whose sin 'became' full measure. Or extremely grievous. If you are a Catholic, they would all be guilty of 'mortal sin'. We see in scripture that God only gives up on sinners when this happens Gen 15:16 'Sin of Amorites was not full measure', Gen 18:20 'Sins of Sodom were grievous'. As such there is no 'nice' demon. They are all 'sold out' to a love of what is evil. At various levels as with all sinners. Sin is sin but it also has degrees. Some demons are currently locked up Jude 1:6 then we know there are many roaming from various scriptures like Mark 5:15.

2. How many demons are there?

If you calculate according to Heb 12:22 you will arrive at 100 million. If you take a third of them being 'fallen stars', you arrive at 33 million. If you assume 10% are locked up, you arrive at a potential 30 million on earth right now. That is 3.75 to each person.

3. What are they busy doing?

Those locked up, probably not much other then what you would expect someone in a prison to do. Those roaming, well this get's interesting. We know that the devil is roaming, but heavily restricted from verse 1 Pet 5:8 as scripture is clear he is looking for 'whom' he can devour. He can't just 'devour' anyone. We also know from 2 Thess 2:6-8 that the Holy Spirit / God restrains him. The other roaming demons? Well, before anyone gets scared, know that we each have a guardian angel who watched over us 24/7 Psalm 34:7, Psalm 91:11, Matt 18:10. So, what are they doing? I believe scripture tells us a lot.

A. They interact with evil society.

During Noah's day they presented themselves as Nephilim Gen 6. Now I personally believe demons made bodies for themselves that they possessed. But many disagree with me and believe demons has relations with woman and their offspring were giants. Either way, the only point I want to make is that demons interacted with mankind when society at large was...evil.

B. They possess people.

We know this from many scriptures. Matt 8:16 for example says 'many' were brought Jesus. Possessions were a real problem in His day. Our body seems to be some kind of vehicle that can offer a ride to them. They clearly want to take part in what we are doing. Now this makes sense with point A above. The two tie up. When we are doing evil things, these fallen angels probably have a chat with our guardian angel and say ''hey, let me past, this guy is doing something I would do''. I do believe it is as simple as that.

They do a lot more, I will post further later. For now, these two are important to grasp as they relate to an exorcism.

-----------------------------------

So now, exorcism....

We need to consider a few things.

1. We are not living in the days of Jesus or prior.

At the time of Jesus, there was no 'restrainer' 2 Thess 2:6-8. There was no 'Christianity at large'. There was no 'Jesus in us' 1 Cor 6:19. Demons today have a much harder time then they did before Jesus. Fact. I would argue that in a first world Christian country, there are not many instances where you would need to perform an exorcism (if any).

2. God does not hate demons.

We know that God loves animals, yet Jesus cast demons into swine Mark 5:12. We see that by doing this He clearly favored honoring their request over the livelihood of the swine. This says a lot. We must remember this.

3. Wicked people open the door to demons.

You are foolish if you try cast demons out of a wicked person Matt 12:43-45. If the said individual does not want Jesus, they 'want' the demons. They are not possessed because they love Jesus.

4. A Christian has overwhelming authority in Jesus.

As a Christian you have complete power over demons. They know every Christian by name. You are their enemy. What happened in Acts 19:16 will never happen to you. Knowing this, you can become out of order as a Christian where you go around 'harassing demons'. As a Christian, you need to grasp that demons run and leave when someone accepts Jesus. There is hardly a need for an exorcism.

Conclusion:

I do not want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Many times exorcism are necessary and needed. I propose that in all those instances where you think one is necessary you find a very mature Christian to share Jesus with the possessed person. You can do more damage then good if you lay hands on just anyone and harass demons.

We are created just beneath the angels Heb 2:7. There is a lot we have in common with each other. Let's not be 'mad' and 'power trip' if we are good at harassing them. We achieve nothing if we cast demons out of a person. We only have victory if someone accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jesus will then chase the demons.

Demons possess and harass because said individuals open the door to them. It is possible to think you are in spiritual warfare but not actually be in it.

Let's not be Matt 7:22 type Christians! Matt 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

Interestingly and obliquely, you touched on my chief concern. Scripture instructs us to understand that no man can serve two masters but all will serve one. We are further instructed that if the master is home He will not allow the presence of an interloper. A Christian is indwelt with Ruah, the Holy Spirit, and can be possessed by none other.

 

[backNforth]

A Christian is indwelt with Ruah, the Holy Spirit, and can be possessed by none other.

True, but we're not talking about possession in the sense you're referring to i.e. ownership. For example, I am in possession of my rental unit, but I am not the owner of it.

We're talking about a) believers who are oppressed by demons; and b) unbelievers who are oppressed and also possibly possessed by demons.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. (James 1:8)

double minded= dípsychos, dip'-soo-khos; from G1364 and G5590; two-spirited

 

[Bill]

May the Lord Jesus bless us and keep us safe from the darkness that wishes to destroy our souls.

There is a lot that could be said about the removal of the darkness from a human. But if this conversation goes into a issue about the RCC versus the Protestants then I will just not answer or talk about it because it's just not worth the argument.

I don't think the one who started this conversation wanted to go that route in the first place.

Before I get into talking about things , remember that anyone who wants to talk about things of the Darkness, you should always start the conversation with a blessing and end the conversation with a blessing.

Casting out demons is a real thing.
And don't think for one minute that just because it happened during the time of Jesus that that was the end of it, because demons are jumping into people left and right, right under your noses and most people don't even realize it.

Some of the most dangerous items out there, the Ouija board. That game invites a spirit into the person who is using the game. It is basically made to cause a person to become possessed.

Every time you choose to go see a psychic or get involved with the zodiac signs or anything New Age for any reason, you are choosing to place the ways of the devil before the ways of the Lord. And when this takes place you become subject to the will of the Darkness.

( why do I say Darkness, it is because I don't even want to give them the glory of being called demons or the devil )

The more you involve yourself with things of the New Age movement or zodiac signs or going to see a psychic for any reason. The more that the Darkness will draw you to itself. God gives us strength to resist, but if you choose to ignore God's hints to resist this Darkness then he will allow it to take place in your life.

No I don't care if you want to sit there and tell me, the Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I don't care if you want to sit there and scream from the House Top, that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior. If you do not Keep Christ in your heart, if you tempt yourself by watching pornography on your phone, or tempt yourself with all manner of evil saying to yourself I'm a follower of Jesus I can do all these things because I'm saved - you are only fooling yourself.

The Darkness knows your weaknesses and it will play on those things to draw you away from God to itself

There are telltale signs of a person if they are possessed or not . One is demons cannot stand anything to do with Mary the mother of Jesus, demons cannot stand laughter, I mean good hearty laughter. They can't stand it, they hate it. Another sign of possession has to do with Superior strength, beyond what is even normal where it takes five or six people just to hold the person down. And demons cannot stand the Eucharist ( see RCC ) . Often you will hear a person who is possessed speaking in a language that they should not know. Like a child from Michigan that lives in the country and has never known German and the demon speaks in the German language through the child . They will speak human languages but they will not speak languages like those who are filled with the Holy Spirit , demons will not speak the languages of Heaven.

If you encounter someone that you think is possessed, understand that there are possibilities of schizophrenia and other mental illnesses, all these things have to be ruled out before a person experiences the removal of a spirit.

I have friends of mine that work in the area of exorcism, and they go through all of the steps that are necessary to determine whether or not a person really is possessed versus someone who's either Faking It or has a mental illness Etc before they work on the spiritual side of things.

Obviously my friends pray for that person the whole time that they are working with them. And I don't mean they only pray when they are with that person but they pray at the beginning of their day they pray during their day they work with the person they pray with that person and then after they're done with that person then when they go back home they again pray some more yet again.

Removing a person who you absolutely know has a demon in them.

There are a few things that must be done even before you go deal with that person. The first thing is you need to have more than one person. You remember the scripture that says "Where two or more are gathered in my name I am there too" (Jesus)

Never never never, try delivering/exercising a spirit by yourself. If you are by yourself ask the Lord to be present with you. Ask the Lord to send his angels to be with you at least in this regard you will not be by yourself. But you must ask the Lord to be with you you must ask the angels to be with you. It's just more important that way and it makes the spirit aware of the presence of God and the angels.

If you are the one who's going to do the Deliverance or the casting out of the spirit make certain with those who are with you doing this make certain that you ask God to bless you and those who are with you to protect you from the spirit that's within the other person. Because if you forget certain things and the spirit gets out it's going to attack you or it'll attack your team members.

So things that you have to remember the spirit that's inside the person both wants to be there to harass the person that it's in, and also hates the person because it doesn't really want to be there in the first place. It likes its freedom. But if you choose to pull it out it's going to hate you even more.

So in the process of removing the darkness make certain that you say things like. I command you in the name of Jesus that your hands and your feet are bound and that your mouth is shut. What you want is you want the demon to hear what you're going to say but you really do not want to hear the demon yelling at you or screaming at you or swearing all manner of foul language at you. Because it's a deception from the demon who's going to try to make you think about things that's telling you or saying to you or swearing words at you you know the more that you comply to the spirit the more likely you're going to release it and let it get away.

So you want to bind it in the name of Jesus and you command it to release the person so that it doesn't leave anything behind. Demons are notorious about leaving something behind before they are removed from a person or a place. You want to cleanse that person completely you want to cleanse the house completely. Once you've completed everything else now you can say in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I command you to go to the Lord and to let him be your judge. Remember Jesus is the judge of all.

Even in the scripture Michael the Archangel did not tell Lucifer to go to hell, and nor should you do that as you are not the last or final judge of that spirit. Your judgment of that spirit will not end the reign of that spirit in this world and it knows it. But if you cast that demon to Jesus to judge it as he wishes then the reign of that demon is finished.

I hope these instructions help you in understanding how to deal with spirits of the darkness. Remember not to be afraid of them but you should have a serious respect for what they can do if you do not follow the instructions completely. Remember that demons are a heck of a lot smarter than any of us, and if you try to challenge them one-on-one with intelligence you're going to lose. They know the scripture inside out. And they will quote you scripture and mess you up. This is why I tell you to bind their limbs bind their mouth so that they cannot deceive you into trying to let them go without casting them to Jesus.

May the Lord bless us all always, in the name of Jesus Amen

 

[joestue]

Say what??? When this poor fella saw Jesus, he ran and worshipped him. When is the last time you heard of any demons running toward Jesus? IOW, it was the man, and not the demon(s), who exercised his free will (what little he may have had) in making the decision to run to Jesus. The number of demons didn't figure here; the man ran to Jesus for help. This man was submitting to Jesus' authority. THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR EFFECTIVE DELIVERANCE.

i've come close to this situation happening to me.

i just didn't recognize it at the time due to my own hinderances and problems.. and also it was a girl half my age. so i tried to run away. didn't really work. what i realized in 2020 was that.. the girl was witness to (behind my back) how much i had helped my wife (who wasn't my wife at the time) and she wanted the same, and her desire for that was not sin!

in 2022 I found the faith/opportunity to pray for her with authority and it seems to have been effective. but i still wish i could go back in time and not be afraid and deal with whatever was going on.. in 2018.

 

[joestue]

However, there is a responsibility that one shoulders when one decides to step into the ring re: a deliverance session. For example, if you cast out a demon from an unbeliever, and leave it there, you've not done the poor guy any favor because we know that more demons will return to that unbeliever soon enough and that man will be set further back into bondage than he was initially. This is why counselling the man first is so important, so integral, to any subsequent deliverance. This is also where many showboaters fail the test of a true minister of deliverance because they can't be bothered with a gospel witness or with any follow-up or are not skilled in witnessing.

i agree with you in general here but as always there are complicating matters.

for example what should my wife do when she gets on a bus and a homeless man starts complaining:
"someone is praying for me and they should stop!"

 

[backNforth]

...what should my wife do when...

Short answer: She should do whatever the Holy Spirit is telling her to do (the essence of faith). We'll chat that up later, as I'm out for awhile.

 

[B-A-C]

As a Christian you have complete power over demons.

Absolutely.

Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 10:8; "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
Mark 16:17; "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;

Luke 10:17; The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."