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Christians and Atheists Battle in London

Truehearts

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Christians and Atheists Battle in London Bus Wars
By William Lee Adams / London Sunday, Feb. 08, 2009


The word of God is on the move in London — literally. Beginning Feb. 9, three separate Christian groups will launch advertisements on more than 200 of London's buses to convince pedestrians of God's existence. "It may be unpopular and unpleasant," says David Larlham, assistant general secretary of London's Trinitarian Bible Society, a group that distributes Bibles worldwide. "But there is a whole lot of truth in the Bible that people need to get to grips with." His organization has paid $50,000 to display posters on 125 of London's red double-decker buses that quote Psalm 53: "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."

The move follows a monthlong campaign by atheists, agnostics and other nonbelievers that saw 800 London buses plastered with a less God-fearing slogan: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." Ariane Sherine, an atheist and London-based comedy writer, devised the scheme after seeing a Christian bus advertisement. "It basically said that unless you believe this, you're going to end up suffering," she says of a pro-Jesus poster that featured what she describes as a "fiery apocalyptic sunset." "Our campaign provides reassurance for people who might be agnostic and don't quite believe and worry what will happen to them if they don't." (See the Top 10 religious stories of 2008.)

Larlham dismisses the atheist's effort as futile: "As if people losing sleep over God will suddenly be fine. If you're worried about something, you need something more powerful than a phrase like that to stop it. You need a change of heart and a change of life that God's words can offer."

He has his supporters. The Christian Party, a right-wing political party whose policies focus mostly on moral issues, is joining the advert battle by displaying posters on at least 50 buses, though it is not working directly with Larlham's group. "There definitely is a God," its message reads. "So join the Christian Party and enjoy your life." Alexander Korobko, director of a Russian satellite-TV channel, says he is teaming up with the Russian Orthodox Church to place the message "There is God. Don't worry. Enjoy your life!" on at least 25 buses from March. "We're living in a difficult time, when crisis is being extensively promoted and people need some life-asserting message," he told London's Daily Telegraph.

Backers of the atheist bus campaign find the response flattering. "It just proves that we've had an impact," says Hanne Stinson, CEO of the British Humanist Association, which helped comedian Sherine raise money for the campaign. When Sherine approached the group with her idea last October, the initial aim was to raise $8,000 over several weeks. But $74,000 flooded in on the very first day, with more than $220,000 raised by the end of January. (See pictures of a charity campaign.)

Similar atheist campaigns have run in Barcelona, Madrid and Washington, D.C. But since its Jan. 6 launch, the London scheme has been credited with inspiring atheist bus campaigns in Australia, Brazil, Canada, Germany and Italy, where next month posters in Genoa will read, "The bad news is that God does not exist. The good news is that we do not need him." The Genoa campaign prompted Father Gianfranco Calabrese, a spokesman for the Archbishop of Genoa, to speak out against what many opponents of the campaign call blasphemy. "There are some methods which promote dialogue and others which feed intolerance," he said. "Head-on opposition always demonstrates intolerance." Marta Vincenzi, the city's mayor, told reporters that officials will not "act as censors."

And anyway, say the London atheists, it's actually the Christian adverts that may be offensive to some. While the Humanist Association defends the right of Christians to air their views, many of its members object to the Christians' choice of words. Richard Dawkins, the eminent Oxford biologist and author of the best-selling book The God Delusion, takes issue with a slogan that calls nonbelievers fools. "That's a particularly obnoxious quote from one of the Psalms," he says. "Ours was extremely gentle and respectful by comparison." The use of the word probably in the atheist slogan, he says, does not imply any sort of dogma but merely encourages freethinking.

Even so, the Advertising Standards Authority, the British advertising authority responsible for screening ads, received more than 150 complaints about the atheist campaign in January, and at least one bus driver walked off the job. "This is a public attack on people's faiths," said Ron Heather, a 62-year-old bus driver and Evangelical Christian. "I have a lot of passengers who are over 90 or are seriously ill, and to tell them there is no God seems a bit insensitive when God is probably all they have left in the world." Dawkins believes that's neither here nor there. "It's not the business of a driver to censor the advertisements that go on his bus. It's his job to drive his bus."

Although the atheist posters were taken down when the campaign ended on Feb. 1, this modern-day Crusade being waged on London's transport system isn't over yet. The atheist bus organizers say they are regrouping and will launch another campaign in April, knowing that Christian groups are likely to respond in turn. "I don't object at all to the Christian ads that are going up, especially if they make people think," Dawkins says. "If more people think for themselves, we'll have fewer religious people."


This was emailed to me by a Christian friend.
 
It is so sad, for very soon now, every knee will bow, and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, some to eternal punishment some to eternal life.

How I pray , eyes, and hearts will be opened, and the truth of Jesus Love be more powerful than all the hate this may ensue.

Lord, Help, forgive us for we know not, what we do.
 
Advertizing messages on buses, bus benches, and billboards are effective. People may claim that they aren't influenced by such ads, but, they don't understand subliminal messages - messages that register in the subconscious mind. Repetitive sightings of such messages does pique interest in the topic in a person.

SLE
 
Wow.

"If more people think for themselves, we'll have fewer religious people."

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"The bad news is that God does not exist. The good news is that we do not need him."

??????????????????????????????????????????

Are they serious?

I don't understand why it is such a goal for people to deny the existance of God, and to think that it is important to teach others to believe this.

Yeah, it's definately the work of the enemy. It's lonely. It's futile. It's pessimistic.

I'm all for the Christian messages.
 
Wow.

"If more people think for themselves, we'll have fewer religious people."

????????????????????????????????????

"The bad news is that God does not exist. The good news is that we do not need him."

??????????????????????????????????????????

Are they serious?

I don't understand why it is such a goal for people to deny the existance of God, and to think that it is important to teach others to believe this.

Yeah, it's definately the work of the enemy. It's lonely. It's futile. It's pessimistic.

I'm all for the Christian messages.


And how ironic is it that the same verse quoted falls into place here?

Psalm 53:1

Psalm 53:1

Also, one of the random quotes here in the forums said this:

How to trap an atheist: Serve him a fine meal,then ask him if he believes there is a cook. - Author Unknown
 
I live in London, and its more of a storm in a teacup than an all-out bus war. I haven't yet seen these ads on the buses (perhaps I should get out more).

Here's a piece from the Theos thinktank, which donated £50.00 to the campaign, saying that the atheists had scored a spectacular own-goal.

Theos donates to atheist bus campaign

Theos has, today, donated £50 to the atheist bus campaign that the Guardian newspaper has been publicising throughout 2008.

Despite being launched nearly six months ago, the campaign to put a pro-atheism advert on London bendy busses has nearly folded on a number of occasions through lack of interest. It has only now been rescued by the millionaire Richard Dawkins who has offered to match donations up to a maximum of £5,500.

The campaign is clearly intended to be anti-religious, but its message ('There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life') will, claims Theos, encourage people to think, like the Alpha posters it seeks to attack.

Paul Woolley, Director of Theos, said:

"We've donated the money because we think the campaign is a brilliant way to get people thinking about God.

"The poster is very weak - where does 'probably' come from? Richard Dawkins doesn't 'probably' believe there is no God! - and telling people to 'Stop worrying' is hardly going to comfort for those who are concerned about losing jobs or homes in the recession, but the posters will still prompt people to think about life's big questions.

"Campaigns like this demonstrate how active atheists are often great adverts for Christianity."​

The adverts will pass, and I doubt that they will have much of an effect on many. But it does demonstrate that atheism is becoming more strident and vocal. As Christians, we need to understand the values and motivations driving vocal atheism.
 
There is only one reason for someone to deny something - it's because it EXIST!.

take note:
"There's PROBABLY no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

poor atheists never sure of anything.

"Be Still, and Know that I Am God"

Matthew 24:35 (KJV)
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
 
I think it was Shakespeare who wrote: "There are none so blind as those who will not see".

SLE
 
CThe atheist bus organizers say they are regrouping and will launch another campaign in April, knowing that Christian groups are likely to respond in turn.


Although the atheist posters were taken down when the campaign ended on Feb. 1, this modern-day Crusade being waged on London's transport system isn't over yet....

I do pray 'God Bless You' ....in Jesus

To quote an Evangelist in my lifetime. "WE cannot go under for going over....we cannot go down for going up"....."for God is with us"


So be it.....Amen
 
Jesus is God

Einstein quote 'Genius and stupidity differ only in that genius has limits'

Have you noticed that Muslims and aetheists don't differ at all. Their religions are both based on negatives. God has no son and there is no God.

Religious deceptions all see that born-again Christians are the real threat to their religion and yet they all accuse us of having blind faith. The irony is that faith that God doesn't exist is really blind and a total failure to use one's intellect. How can anybody be stupid enough to say 'There is no God because I say so' when all around is undeniable evidence that He created all things. Romans ch 2 states that His creation shows His eternal power and Godhead and those that refuse the evidence for that are without excuse. Many Christians have big intellects. I know two that both came to Christ by logical thought processes in their closets over months and months of solitary and at the end of it were fully persuaded in their own minds that Jesus is the Christ and the only means by which we can be saved. They were also persuaded that everything He said is Truth and His Word is Truth.

It is reasonable to consider this as one of life's first big questions. Did Jesus exist? Answer - It is ludicrous to contemplate the thought that He didn't. For any person willing to use his intellect the answer must be as positive as if asked 'Did your mother exist?'

Second question. Was He who and what He claimed to be or was He a fraud? I will guarantee that if you sincerely seek the answer to this question you will come to a knowledge of the truth. One thing only is needed. A desire to know the Truth, not a desire to remain a non-Christian. God bless you
 
Second question. Was He who and what He claimed to be or was He a fraud? I will guarantee that if you sincerely seek the answer to this question you will come to a knowledge of the truth. One thing only is needed. A desire to know the Truth, not a desire to remain a non-Christian. God bless you

When World War II burst into flame, an adage was coined in the United States that is still in use today - "There are no atheists in foxholes." meaning that in times of crisis, spiritual attitudes change.

Most people born and raised in the world's prosperous nations are totally unprepared spiritually, emotionally, and financially for what has happened recently to the world economy and what is to come. Its almost as though the Great Depression of the 1930's, etc. are deemed fictional things that are impossible in today's advanced societies. They see not having an automobile as being insufferable. Having to put cardboard in one's shoes to keep water from coming through holes in the soles or standing in line for hours for free food and/or clothing is anathema.

The world's atheists and agnostics are lumped in with most of the rest of civilization in this situation. The only difference is that when they look around for a power greater than themselves to protect them, there will be none in sight. How will they respond? Sadly, many of them will go down shaking their fists at God and cursing Him. But, many others will cry out to the God they've hated or ignored and embrace Him. I grieve that these have to suffer so much to get to that point. But, I rejoice that they will get there and be saved.

SLE
 
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