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Christians told to renounce Jesus or be refused coronavirus aid - 'Let your God take care of your family'

Christ followers have sit on the bench to long and have been quiet.
Do we not know Him, yet?
Do you not know how He gave Joseph water out of a rock in the middle of the desert? and figs from a tree?
Do you not know God is able to supply all that we need?
To feed us, cloth us, and blaze the trail before us?
Yes He is able; but has the community became so reliant on the world that we can not believe?
Hang on, He is separating the wheat from the chaff.
One can not serve God and mammon...we have heard why; but...some continue to do it. Praising God, and run back to the world for their needs to be met.
Forsaking all, He said, pick up your cross and follow me.
God bless us all.
 
@ Dave M -- an interesting article for sure. Sounds like in those countries -- either renounce your faith in Christ Or be willing to take the vaccine and survive COVID or die of the COVID. But in this country we have Lots of people getting Over COVID. The lady who's the project manager for my property is having a mild case of COVID -- right Now. She's working from home. Her energy is Slow coming back -- but she's surviving it very well. And there are those who Are dying.

In lots of those countries -- their living conditions are not very good in the 1st place. So, unfortunately they Are dying

There are people like Bill Gates who've determined that the world population is way to big and needs some thinning out. And this COVID is being used to do exactly that.

But they don't Really know that the vaccine is Going to save their lives. Their governments are in control. Do we really want to end up like that?
 
But they don't Really know that the vaccine is Going to save their lives. Their governments are in control. Do we really want to end up like that?

well as a nation I dont think we will have much choice in the matter, GOnverment is invading every part of out life weather we like it or not. Been going on for a long time all around the world, we here in America are just now seeing the very start of this, it will get only worst from this point forward. BUt most believe once everyone takes the vaccine everything will go back to normal I do not believe that for one second

as a individual we know God is in control and trust in him and him alone, sometimes that means knowing trials that we face will only makes us better followers of Christ and that is the ultimate goal, TO be the best servant of the Lord as possible.
 
@Dave M. -- Yes, the government Is invading our lives -- but do we have to Let them continue doing that. We can Also look at what happens to those other countries. No real freedoms. Socialism / communism only seems to benefit the people in charge. Power corrupts and we see more and more of that in This country.

No vaccine is going to get life back to 'normal'. But maybe 'normal' Needs to be improved. But it needs to be the individual who makes their own choices. Families that make their own choices. No one bailing anyone out.

People look back at the polio vaccine and that polio has been irradicated. I looked up the history of polio -- no one really knows when or where it started. But that wasn't stopped 'over night'.

And, yes, to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. More and more Christ-like.
 
@Dave M -- well two heads have always been better than one. And you're already doing something positive. Maybe encouraging people to think for ourselves -- to use our common sense. The concept of 'pushing back' seems to be a new by-word. If there were Easy answers , 'it' probably wouldn't be a problem. Maybe as 'we' see our freedoms being infringed upon, we'll start taking action.

Sound reasonable?

And we Do need to realize that 'this' is not our 'forever' home. Eternity Is. God's Word IS Truth. And that Jesus Christ is The way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but through Him.
 
-- well two heads have always been better than one. And you're already doing something positive. Maybe encouraging people to think for ourselves -- to use our common sense. The concept of 'pushing back' seems to be a new by-word. If there were Easy answers , 'it' probably wouldn't be a problem. Maybe as 'we' see our freedoms being infringed upon, we'll start taking action.

Sound reasonable?

nope :) the only way I see for real pusing back is to take up arms, but as you say this is not my home so I am not about to do that, but if it was I would.


@Dave M

And we Do need to realize that 'this' is not our 'forever' home. Eternity Is. God's Word IS Truth. And that Jesus Christ is The way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but through Him.

Amen this is my blessed hope, and focus to try to live to the best of my ability to please God. ANd not worry about this world as it is not my home (easier said then done :))
 
NOt worring on this world has me conflicted at times, I mean the bible is clear its going to get worst and worst, so why bother at all with politics and trying to get justice. Focus on Jesus........But I get sucked into them politics pretty easily, especially when favorites pastors of mine are calling out the evil in this world, does it do any good????? I think for me its best to stay away from them politics all togeather Lord help me in Jesus name
 
What if the vaccines come from by-products of abortion? I don't know for sure but it would be a blessing to be kept from them if that's the case.
 
Open Doors International's Jan Vermeer has reported that the organisation has been "inundated with reports of Christians telling us their communities would only give them food if they re-converted back to their original faith."

... "People may die or convert back to Islam if they don't have the means to survive."

He said that without the support that Open Doors was providing in some regions "many Christians would certainly die of malnutrition and starvation, or decide that following Jesus is too hard."

"Many of these new believers only have a fragile faith and need to become stronger in the Lord"
"...we will use food aid to change behaviour...Yes, it's bribery. We don't apologize for that." -- Catherine Bertini, Executive Director of the UN World Food Programme, September 1995, Beijing, China

FOOD WILL CONTINUE TO BE USED TO CONTROL YOU. Why haven't you prepared???

well as a nation I dont think we will have much choice in the matter, GOnverment is invading every part of out life weather we like it or not.
Then do NOT let it. Stop submitting to that usurper, that purported authority. There is a form of obedience that leads to death (Romans), so STOP STRIKING HANDS WITH HEATHEN and come over to God's side, where the burden is easy and the yoke is light.

There are people like Bill Gates who've determined that the world population is way to big and needs some thinning out. And this COVID is being used to do exactly that.
Gates is simply a Judas goat for any "dissatisfaction" you may vent, a bought-and-paid-for frontman for the banking families, the rich men of the earth. Gates himself determines nothing.

Maybe as 'we' see our freedoms being infringed upon, we'll start taking action.
Oh my my, we're so much further down the track of tyranny. That bridge was crossed LONG ago.

the only way I see for real pusing back is to take up arms, but as you say this is not my home so I am not about to do that, but if it was I would.

...and...

Yes, the government Is invading our lives -- but do we have to Let them continue doing that.
Here is what America is full of: A bunch of losers who are watching a stolen election, doing NOTHING about the corrupted courts. Where are the dead judges that refused to even hear the case? They should all be DEAD. And they won't be dead, because the system is too corrupted to hang them as they should be hung. The system alone, if properly operating, should have killed them by now via court martial. They won't be dead, because IDIOTS are brainwashed by anti-violence rhetoric and they'll cower in their homes as their neighbors vanish one by one in the dead of night.

I am just going to say it like it is: If the average American gun owner sees a neighbor get taken away, they'll believe any lie about the neighbor the bad guys invent, and they'll accept it. Until there are no neighbors. They'll believe it, especially if it is always a cop car that comes to get them.

What lies will be told? THIS NEIGHBOR was a child molester. It does not have to be true, but when heard, the foolish gun owner will say YEAY, they got a bad guy!. When the next neighbor is taken, they'll make an excuse: Oh, he was wanted on murder charges and managed to keep it secret. And the stupid gun owner will believe it. And when the next neighbor is taken, they'll just say they removed him because of a loan default, and the stupid gun owner will say Oh, that sucks. And when the NEXT neighbor is taken, they'll say he robbed a bank, or did something else, whatever, whatever, whatever, until there are no neighbors. AND WHEN THE POLICE THEN KNOCK ON THE STUPID GUN OWNER'S DOOR, he'll still not figure it out, he'll say violence is wrong, and the headlines will say "Rejoice! We finally nailed the last zealot!" And everyone, right on down the line, will be too stupid to fire a single shot.

THAT is how TPTB get it done, they do the SAME THING EVERY TIME. The ol' "We got the bad guy" divide and conquer. And it absolutely WILL work again.
AMERICA IS SO FULL OF LOSERS, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE BAD GUYS GETTING TAKEN OUT AND PEOPLE TOLERATE IT. Oh gosh, it is too bad Bob lost his business because the corona cops shut him down. Gee, too bad. I think I'll surf porn. Correct response: If you can't figure out who is giving orders, YOU TAKE THE ENFORCERS OUT. This is so stupid and people are just letting it happen, STUPID IDIOTIC LOSERS.

Coronavirus enforcement is the most obvious and out-in-the-open action by the globalists in their takeover. An enforced rebellion against this would take the edge right off the sickle. They absolutely NEED the corona scam enforced to get away with destroying the country. And they will destroy the country because people are too stupid to properly react against even this.

...the bible is clear its going to get worst and worst, so why bother at all with politics and trying to get justice. Focus on Jesus........But I get sucked into them politics pretty easily, especially when favorites pastors of mine are calling out the evil in this world, does it do any good????? I think for me its best to stay away from them politics all togeather
Why are we obsessed with salvation through politics??? Compromising with temporal powers will never lead to redemption.

Lord help me in Jesus name
AMEN!

What if the vaccines come from by-products of abortion? I don't know for sure but it would be a blessing to be kept from them if that's the case.
It is witchcraft, spellcasting, being performed before your very eyes. Talk about someone killing their sacred cow!! How about "Bull's eye!" or "Holy cow!" ??? What did they worship in the desert? Do you even know the Latin word for "cow"?? it is vacca.
 
NOt worring on this world has me conflicted at times, I mean the bible is clear its going to get worst and worst, so why bother at all with politics and trying to get justice. Focus on Jesus........But I get sucked into them politics pretty easily, especially when favorites pastors of mine are calling out the evil in this world, does it do any good????? I think for me its best to stay away from them politics all togeather Lord help me in Jesus name


Well -- the politics are all around us. Who our next president will be -- that affects how we live -- and the people you minister to -- the homeless -- a lot is because Of the politics. Decisions made By politicians. This is getting to be a messier messier world. And this Is the world we live in Now. I don't think we'll find ourselves in a position to Have to bear arms to protect our property. But if someone were to enter an eating establishment and threaten those inside -- someone with a licence for a conceiled weapon Could be able to stop a mass shooting. Of course, that we Before the powers that be chose to close down everything. But the point is that there Was a time when indiscriminate shootings Were taking place. There were times when a person wouldn't know if the person with the gun was a good guy or the Bad guy.

But there Are churches who Do have those with conceiled licence permits and feel led to -- To be ready to protect their congregation from those who'd want to cause problems within the church. And those men would be making rounds of the church parking lots looking for anyone who looked out of place or were just sitting in a car.

We've had suspecious men around our small church simply because we are across the road from the city park. Homeless people are looking for handouts when they see people at the church.

So -- we Do need to be carefull for our own safety as well as the spiritual well-being of people.
 
Well -- the politics are all around us. Who our next president will be -- that affects how we live -- and the people you minister to -- the homeless -- a lot is because Of the politics. Decisions made By politicians. This is getting to be a messier messier world. And this Is the world we live in
Compromising with temporal powers can never lead to redemption. Most "Christians" have accepted the unrighteous code of the State, instead of insisting that the State follow the Laws of Almighty God. Let's examine the difference between the two. Between Law and force. The kingdoms of this world use force, for there is no love in what they do. Whereas the kingdom of God uses Law, for love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8).

There is only one lawgiver (James 4:12). This one lawgiver is the Lord (Isaiah 33:22). Man does not have authority to make laws, but only the authority to make ‘ordinances’ which enforce Laws already in existence, which are the Laws of God. To obey the so-called ‘laws’ conjured up by the worldly governing authorities is to set aside the gospel of our Lord, and place oneself under a separate government, other than His.

Bondmen of Christ are not citizens of any country on this earth, our citizenship is in heaven, and so our first loyalty is to God, not "our" country (Ephesians 2:19, Philippians 3:20). Ours is a better, heavenly country (Hebrews 11:16).

Throughout the scripture, governments have always been the leader in bringing people to sin (Daniel 3:4-6, 1 Kings 12:25:33; 14:21-24, 2 Kings 13:2; 17:21; 21:11,16, 2 Chronicles 21:6,11-13, Isaiah 9:16). God condemned Israel for wanting to be ruled like other nations, by a human king (1 Samuel 8:4-5,20). When they chose to be ruled by a human leader, our Father considered that to be a rejection of Himself because He would not then reign over them (1 Samuel 8:7; 10:19). The people later realized their sin against God when they asked to be ruled by a human government (1 Samuel 12:19). Notice their kings never had any power to make new laws; nor did their best and wisest of kings make any, as in the cases of David and Solomon. And when a return to the ways of the Lord was made among them, as by Hezekiah and Josiah, it was not by making any new regulations, but by putting the original Law into execution; and by directing and requiring of the judges, and other officers, to act according to that Law.

To serve an earthly king, or his government, is to serve other gods (1 Samuel 8:8-9), which is violating the First Commandment (Exodus 20:3). It is wickedness and a sin to ask to be ruled by a human government instead of God (1 Samuel 12:17-19). Our Father condemned Israel for following the statutes of their disobedient government (2 Kings 17:7-8). He rejected those who followed the statutes of governments instead of His Commandments (2 Kings 17:19-20). He specifically said not to follow the ordinances of earthly governments, but to follow his laws, ordinances, and statutes instead (Leviticus 18:1-5). Throughout the history of Israel, the majority of the kings of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord (1 Kings 11:4-9, 2 Kings 8:18), which shows that most rulers and governments are corrupt because of their carnal nature (Romans 8:7). The Jews eventually chose king Caesar over King Jesus (John 19:15). Those who do the same are just like them.

The whole duty of man is to live by God's commandments (Ecclesiastes 12:13), not man's commandments which turn from the Truth (Mark 7:7, Colossians 2:20-22, Titus 1:14). What duty is there to a servant of Christ except to fulfil God's Law (Romans 13:8)? When we pray, we pray to do our Father’s Will, not man’s will (Matthew 6:10, Luke 11:2). God rewards those who place His Laws above man-made laws (Exodus 1:17,20). We are even instructed to avoid going to courts of law before the unjust and unbelievers (1 Corinthians 6:1-8). How incredible that the just would go before the unjust for justice! Therein no blessings are found:

Psalms 1:1, "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly."

The kings and rulers of the earth are against the Lord, and against his anointed (Psalm 2:2). Governments frame mischief and sin through their laws:

Psalms 94:20, "Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?"

Isaiah 10:1-2, "Woe unto them that prescribe grievous laws and take away the right from the poor."

When a government is ungodly, and people trust in that government, then God will punish those who trust in that government and obey their laws (Jeremiah 15:4; 46:25, 2 Kings 21:11-12, Isaiah 9:16, Ezekiel 11:10-12, Micah 6:13,16). The people will be cursed for trusting in man (Jeremiah 17:5, Hosea 10:13). It is better to trust in the Lord, than to put confidence in man and governments (Psalm 118:8-9). We are told not to put our trust in human governments (Psalm 146:3). We are commanded to "turn away" from those with certain characteristics (2 Timothy 3:2-5), and governing authorities possess most of these said characteristics! Governing authorities are "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away" (2 Timothy 3:5). So we are to turn away from governing authorities with these characteristics. They proclaim their own power (force), which becomes a 'law' unto itself. The law is made for evil-doers, not for the righteous (1 Timothy 1:9-10). Therefore, we are to obey God's Law, and whatever laws that man creates are irrelevant to us.

Esther 3:8, "And Haman (the highest prince in the kingdom of the Medes and the Persians) said unto king Ahasuerus (the king of the Medes and the Persians who reigned from India to Ethiopia), There is a certain people (people who were obedient to God's Laws) scattered abroad and dispersed among the people in all the provinces of thy kingdom; and their laws are diverse from all people; neither keep they the king's laws..."

As we can see, God's children were following God's Law, which were diverse from the government's law, and His children did not keep the government's law! When one reads the book of Esther, one will see how God protected His children when they followed His law and disregarded the government's law. One cannot obey both laws, because one cannot serve two masters.
 
@backNforth -- take a look at Romans 13: 1-3 -- "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from ;God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. "

Our personal redemption is brought about when 'we' accept Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior.

In the Old Testament, the people wanted kings just like the nations around them. So they were granted that. We read all about all the various kinds of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms' some were very good and some very wicked.
The people fluxuated between worshiping the Ashterahs? and God. 1 Kings 15 -- and those chapters and 2 Chronicles gives more info about the various kings.

God did allow the people to experience life with earthly kings for many years. Some very Godly and some not.
 
@Dave M -- as well as the local and federal laws. Which are based on the Constitution and the Ten Commandments. And as a person decides to follow Not follow those laws -- there are going to be consequences. God uses the unusual circumstances to reach our governing officials. A person can be praising God and sharing Gospel unto salvation no matter Where they are.
 
Lets us agree that gay marriage is ok also...
And its ok for a cross dresser to use the same restroom your little girl is in...
These laws being made are not being made according to Gods law, but men... appeasing the community and for money.
These two laws alone should testify of itself how far away from God this world has fallen. When one little lady opposed, she was thrown into jail, and the media tied her to the whipping post. Where were her brothers and sisters to help her oppose? Busy making their dollars as well, serving mammon?
And the evils progress, because no God law abiding citizens are around to oppose them; least they be tied the the whipping post.
May God have mercy on us all
 
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