Confused

[Word of Life]

Please someone, can you please help me because I am scared. I keep having these thoughts that I am not saved and it's really frightening me. I keep going to prayer and I am speaking to our Father regularly. But I sometimes gets this feeling after I have prayed that He is not there, not listening to me and I get these horrible thoughts that I am not saved afterwards, it's really getting me down now. Its really upsetting me and I am crying and feel troubled in my heart.

When I pray, I feel as if a deep breath is going inside me and this is strange because I have only started experiencing that recently, in the last day or so. I do spend a lot of time my Bible.

I have just been though a huge battle, an emotional one. My emotions really fail me sometimes and I feel so weak in this area and stupid.

 

[jiggyfly]

Sounds like God is working in you, seems that is is time for you to grow to the next level. God desires us to relate to Him spiritually. Remember Jesus said that the Father is seeking those who will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. When we first experience God, He manifests Himself to reach us in our carnal state and when we respond to His drawing properly we become born spiritually from above. His desire is for us to grow spiritually so that we can relate to Him in this way.

A.W. Tozer would spend hours at a time laying face down on a rug and not utter one word, but relate to Father in spirit.

Allow the HolySpirit to help you with this, He is a great teacher. Growing spiritually comes at a cost to our carnal beings though. In order for us to mature spiritually self must decrease. There is a lot more can be said and if you will ask the HolySpirit I'm sure He will answer. If you need help we're here. God Bless

 

[DunkedinFire]

Hi Word of Life,

I believe there are potentially a number of reasons for what you are going through. Whatever it is you are going through is very important and any advice you recieve should be soundly Scripurally based.

Your current experience is not unique and I have always found in such cases as yours it would greatly help in advising you if you could publish your testimony of how you came to accept Jesus as your personal Saviour and what 'emotions' you experienced at that time and the time immediately following your conversion.

I am also wondering if you have previously experienced any demonic activity in your life which needs to be dealt with.

 

[Word of Life]

Thanks for your replies to my post jiggyfly and DunkedinFire . When you don't understand these things it does become very frightening and I still am a bit. Also, these last few days I have been feeling extremely tired and that's not like me either, as I can normally stay up late I feel completely drained. So I think I will have an early night tonight and just read a few Psalms before going to bed. I will come back tomorrow, coz I am not at my best right now. If I don't feel any better by Friday, I will go and see a priest.

 

[lindadc]

These words become alive !

Sounds like God is working in you, seems that is is time for you to grow to the next level. God desires us to relate to Him spiritually. Remember Jesus said that the Father is seeking those who will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. When we first experience God, He manifests Himself to reach us in our carnal state and when we respond to His drawing properly we become born spiritually from above. His desire is for us to grow spiritually so that we can relate to Him in this way.

A.W. Tozer would spend hours at a time laying face down on a rug and not utter one word, but relate to Father in spirit.

Allow the HolySpirit to help you with this, He is a great teacher. Growing spiritually comes at a cost to our carnal beings though. In order for us to mature spiritually self must decrease. There is a lot more can be said and if you will ask the HolySpirit I'm sure He will answer. If you need help we're here. God Bless

These words are food for my spiritual life . They have cheered me up . ( feeling down and disappointed in a few close friends who don't realise love and forgiveness is the core of a Christian life ) Am sad .... very sad .
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son , that whosever believeth in HIM should not perish but shall have everlasting life .John 3:16

Thank you and GOD bless

 

[DunkedinFire]

Thanks for your replies to my post jiggyfly and DunkedinFire . When you don't understand these things it does become very frightening and I still am a bit. Also, these last few days I have been feeling extremely tired and that's not like me either, as I can normally stay up late I feel completely drained. So I think I will have an early night tonight and just read a few Psalms before going to bed. I will come back tomorrow, coz I am not at my best right now. If I don't feel any better by Friday, I will go and see a priest.

Thank you for the couresy of your reply. I really feel you need intercessory prayer and with your permission I would like intercede in prayer for you. To help me - do you mind me asking if you are a Roman Catholic (going to the priest)? I really have recieved a burden for you.

 

[jculver]

Thanks for your replies to my post jiggyfly and DunkedinFire . When you don't understand these things it does become very frightening and I still am a bit. Also, these last few days I have been feeling extremely tired and that's not like me either, as I can normally stay up late I feel completely drained. So I think I will have an early night tonight and just read a few Psalms before going to bed. I will come back tomorrow, coz I am not at my best right now. If I don't feel any better by Friday, I will go and see a priest.

My advise for you my friend Word of Life:

I think you should stop focusing on physical feeling and etc. Your faith is above all those things. Start accepting scriptures promises for yourself! I have seen in many posts of yours proof constantly that you are saved. Being active in ministry, continually in prayer, and a hunger for the word of God.

If it is any consolation at all, I think that your struggle is more common than you might think. I think more often then not I am aiming for the easiest level of hell because I just can't be saved. I almost never feel like God receives my prayer, but when he does it makes them all the more valuable. I don't want to trivialize your situation by presenting one of my own, but I would like to show empathy toward you, and let you know you will eventually get passed it, and it is common struggle for Christians from time to time to feel like God has left you.

Psalm 6 is one I pray (or sing to myself hehe) when I feel like you do. So much of scripture is people feeling like God has forsaken them, but he always picks them up before they get too low.

I will pray for you my friend.

 

[Word of Life]

Originally Posted by: DunkedinFire
Thank you for the couresy of your reply. I really feel you need intercessory prayer and with your permission I would like intercede in prayer for you. To help me - do you mind me asking if you are a Roman Catholic (going to the priest)? I really have recieved a burden for you.

Thanks DunkedinFire and yes you can intercede in prayer for me, coz at the moment I am having trouble. No I am not a Roman Catholic, in fact I don't even go to any Church, it was only this week Tuesday, that I started going to a Cell group and I really enjoyed myself. I was frightened in the beginning in going, but they all made me feel welcome, talking and reading scriptures is what I love doing the most. I have basically been doing this alone, studying the Bible alone with God. I was saved last year June.

Originally Posted by: jculver
My advise for you my friend Word of Life:

I think you should stop focusing on physical feeling and etc. Your faith is above all those things. Start accepting scriptures promises for yourself! I have seen in many posts of yours proof constantly that you are saved. Being active in ministry, continually in prayer, and a hunger for the word of God.

If it is any consolation at all, I think that your struggle is more common than you might think. I think more often then not I am aiming for the easiest level of hell because I just can't be saved. I almost never feel like God receives my prayer, but when he does it makes them all the more valuable. I don't want to trivialize your situation by presenting one of my own, but I would like to show empathy toward you, and let you know you will eventually get passed it, and it is common struggle for Christians from time to time to feel like God has left you.

Psalm 6 is one I pray (or sing to myself hehe) when I feel like you do. So much of scripture is people feeling like God has forsaken them, but he always picks them up before they get too low.

I will pray for you my friend.

Thanks Jculver for your prayers and yes you are right, as I do tend to focus too much on the physical feeling and I should know better, because God is spirit and in your first reply in this thread, it made me sit up a bit and take note. I have even said in prayer that I wanted to worship Him only in Spirit and Truth and asked Him to lead me.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Of course the mind is a horrible place and with all those thoughts that I had going on around in my mind lately, it's been a struggle. This last week or so , I have been struggling with the Christians that I work with, they are not bad people don't get me wrong, they have a wonderful heart, but I just don't understand why, God's name is not mentioned in the work-place, to glorify and praise Him. This I am struggling with very much, even though I do put it a the back of my mind it still creeps in for time to time. Maybe I am wrong and shouldn't be praising Him at work in the first place. It seems, if I don't mention and glorify Him, His name won't get mentioned, but I am not going to be ashamed of Him.

Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

I do think God does things for a reason, to strengthen our belief in Him. Because yesterday after I posted and started this thread, not long afterwards, I received an email from a colleague about mocking God, now this is weird, coz I hardly ever get sent anything about God from others in the work place to me, but it's just happened yesterday, when I was feeling extremely low, rock-bottom low, this email came through. This email got me angry and very upset, because what was in it I didn't like. Anyway, it got me very upset and without me even thinking I cried out and said I didn't say that, said that a few times, I looked down at my cigarettes, picked them up and threw them in the bin. A few moments later the lighter followed. So something good happened yesterday, even though I felt low and down with those horrid thoughts. But I did ask God to change me to be more like Jesus and the cigs had to go.

Thank you both for your kind and thoughtful replies, I do feel much better this morning, I need to focus more on Gods goodness and promises and less on Satan's crap.

God Bless you both and thanks for your prayers.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[sunshine307]

Sounds like God is working in you, seems that is is time for you to grow to the next level. God desires us to relate to Him spiritually. Remember Jesus said that the Father is seeking those who will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. When we first experience God, He manifests Himself to reach us in our carnal state and when we respond to His drawing properly we become born spiritually from above. His desire is for us to grow spiritually so that we can relate to Him in this way.

A.W. Tozer would spend hours at a time laying face down on a rug and not utter one word, but relate to Father in spirit.

Allow the HolySpirit to help you with this, He is a great teacher. Growing spiritually comes at a cost to our carnal beings though. In order for us to mature spiritually self must decrease. There is a lot more can be said and if you will ask the HolySpirit I'm sure He will answer. If you need help we're here. God Bless

Well said brother jiggyfly.

Word of life - as jiggyfly says allow the Holy Spirit to work in you, believe what He is telling you, what it says in God's Word. Satan is not happy at all, and doesn't want you to move on in Christ, it's up to you who you choose to believe, Jesus Christ - the truth, or satans lies.

I note you said about reading the Psalms - I personally find great comfort and strength in the Psalms. Have you tried reading them aloud to Father, praying with them, rejoicing in them as you read?

 

[Word of Life]

Hello sunshine307, thanks for you comments of encouragement and yes jiggyfly post was very well said. Tuesday night I felt so good and close to God, then Wednesday this started. But like you all have suggested, I will spend time with God and really get close to Him and ask questions. I will lie on my bed and totally relax.

Yes today, I printed off 3 chapters of Psalms and read them in my lunch break in the car.

I need to fight this, coz God won't be happy with me if I keep having these doubts.

Thanks again everyone and God bless.

A.W. Tozer would spend hours at a time laying face down on a rug and not utter one word, but relate to Father in spirit.

I am going to do another searcher on this guy, to get some more tips.

 

[Word of Life]

Just keeping you updated, as the things that are coming up when spending time with God, straight afterwards or during this, the word rebuke comes into my mind and this scripture.

Jam 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

So by the sound of it, there is something I am not letting go off, and this is why I am struggling.

 

[CrazyForChrist]

Unless i have missed it, i am surprised no one has mentioned one of the biggest reasons that you may be experiencing this. It is Satan. He does anything to break you away from God. You're only hurting from these thoughts and it only pushes you away from God. That is exactly Satans plan. Pray to God, just keep your thoughts on him, show him the pain you feel from these thoughts, and ask in His Son's name to repel Satan from you so you may be with Him at ease again in mind and soul. Praying has never let me down as long as what i prayed for is God's will.

P.S. Try not to pray with words for words are very week and cannot express what we truely mean. Pray with soul and mind and you will experience a who new view with the Lord. Hugs!!!!!:boy_hug::girl_hug:

 

[sunshine307]

Unless i have missed it, i am surprised no one has mentioned one of the biggest reasons that you may be experiencing this. It is Satan.

Word of life - as jiggyfly says allow the Holy Spirit to work in you, believe what He is telling you, what it says in God's Word. Satan is not happy at all, and doesn't want you to move on in Christ, it's up to you who you choose to believe, Jesus Christ - the truth, or satans lies.

CrazyForChrist I did mention satan and that it is our choice to choose who to listen to.

Word of Life - Amen to James 4:7. I too have found personally that the closer to God I come, the more satan tries to put a stop to it. Keep on submitting to God and resisting the devil. He has to flee. Praise the Lord - Jesus is Lord.

 

[Word of Life]

thank you for your reply CrazyForChrist & sunshine307 and yest I know its satan and I am trying really hard to get him out of my head, but I am so weak. I really don't want him in my life, I want God there and Jesus not him. I just can't stop crying about it and it is really hurting me. But I will do my best to be strong.

I will try to pray more than ever this weekend, but at present the words are not even coming out of me.

 

[Popples]

god has more in store for you and its time for you to grow... Satan works hard in all of us but works especially harder in those that have a close relationship with God...and thats you. Keep close to god dont let this stop you reading and praying and you will soon see the answer to why you are feeling this.

 

[Word of Life]

Thank you Popples for those kind words. It's been tough but I will persevere and will continue to pray and study. I do talk to God a lot, He is in my thoughts all day, thanking Him and praising Him.

May God bless you

 

[Word of Life]

I would just like to thank all of you, for your help and guidance during this storm I went through.

God is there, I know He is, and he will not forsake any of us.

Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

He disciplined me and it was a hard lesson to learn. I love Him more than ever, I will continue to praise Him and spend more time in prayer (coz I wasn't doing enough of this) and give the glory to Him always.

I have been off the cigerettes now since Wednesday afternoon, it’s been a huge struggle and has been very tough, but God has been with me all the way, coz every time I felt the urge in having one, He said no.

I went to Church yesterday too, that was a big step for me, with God by my side I got through it and met up and spoke to a reverend there, I explained a few things, what I was going through and he prayed for me and blessed me. Afterwards I felt God's spirit work through me and I was at peace again.

I have put in a request for counseling with my local reverend, I have so much going on in my head and it needs sorting. With God at my side, I know it will work out.

Thank you all for being there for me, when I needed it.

God Bless you all.

 

[jculver]

I would just like to thank all of you, for your help and guidance during this storm I went through.

God is there, I know He is, and he will not forsake any of us.

Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

He disciplined me and it was a hard lesson to learn. I love Him more than ever, I will continue to praise Him and spend more time in prayer (coz I wasn't doing enough of this) and give the glory to Him always.

I have been off the cigerettes now since Wednesday afternoon, it’s been a huge struggle and has been very tough, but God has been with me all the way, coz every time I felt the urge in having one, He said no.

I went to Church yesterday too, that was a big step for me, with God by my side I got through it and met up and spoke to a reverend there, I explained a few things, what I was going through and he prayed for me and blessed me. Afterwards I felt God's spirit work through me and I was at peace again.

I have put in a request for counseling with my local reverend, I have so much going on in my head and it needs sorting. With God at my side, I know it will work out.

Thank you all for being there for me, when I needed it.

God Bless you all.

Good to hear! Congrats on beating those cigarettes! I know thats not easy I am sure God will continue to watch over you. God Bless.

 

[CrazyForChrist]

Now, as you both were talking about how God will never forsake thee, why then did Jesus on the cross cry out and say "why have you forsaken me"? :embarasse

 

[jculver]

Now, as you both were talking about how God will never forsake thee, why then did Jesus on the cross cry out and say "why have you forsaken me"? :embarasse

This is taken wildly out of context. God would never forsake his son, Jesus just felt like he did.

If God forsook Jesus, then why is he in Heaven right now by God's right hand?

This is a good illustration actually for Word of Life as opposed to somehow proving that God does indeed forsake us. He may have to turn his back on us for a time, or it may feel like he has, but as His children we can never be finally forsaken as is illustrated over and over again in the scripture.