curses

[slimsavery]

Hi There
I have a question about curses. I have a good source from got questions and some other views from Wikpedia. I feel the source from my questions is the most likely as God is soverign - any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Curses - got questions
Answer: The Bible tell us that “an undeserved curse does not come to rest” (Proverbs 26:2b). This means that foolish curses have no effect. What you must remember is that God is sovereign. No one has the power to speak true curses over you because God is the only One able to pronounce judgment.

If you have been born again as a new person in Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17), you are in the constant presence of the Holy Spirit, under His protection (Romans 8:11). You do not need to worry about anyone casting any sort of pagan spell on you. Voodoo, witchcraft, hexes and curses have no power over you because you have been freed to worship God (John 8:36). “...The Lord is my light and my salvation; Whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; Of whom shall I be afraid” (Psalm 27:1)?
wikpedia
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Some passages in the Tanakh treat curses as being effective techniques; they see a curse as an objective reality with real power. However, most sections of the Bible conceive a curse to be merely a wish, to be fulfilled by God only when just and deserved.
According to the Book of Proverbs, an undeserved curse has no effect (Proverbs 26:2), but may fall back upon the head of him who utters it (Genesis] 12:3; Sirach 21:27), or may be turned by God into a blessing (Deuteronomy 23:5).
The declaration of punishments (Gen. 3:14, 17; 4:11), the utterance of threats (Jeremiah 11:3, 17:5; Malachi i. 14), and the proclamation of laws (Deut. 11:26-28, 27:15 et seq.) received added solemnity and force when conditioned by a curse.
In the Bible, cursing is generally characteristic of the godless (Ps. 10:7), but may serve as a weapon in the mouth of the wronged, the oppressed, and those who are zealous for God and righteousness (Judges 9:57; Prov. 11"26, 30:10).
A righteous curse, especially when uttered by persons in authority, was believed to be unfailing in its effect (Gen. 9:25, 27:12; II Kings 2:24; Ecclus. Sirach 3:11). One who had received exemplary punishment at the hands of God was frequently held up, in cursing, as a terrifying object-lesson (Jer. 23: 22), and such a person was said to be, or to have become, a curse (II Kings 22:19; Jer. 24:9, 25: 18; Zechariah 8:13). An elaborate trial by ordeal for a woman suspected by her husband of adultery is set forth in Numbers 5:11-30; this involved drinking a "bitter water that brings a curse"; if the woman were guilty, she would suffer miscarriage and infertility.
It is especially forbidden to curse God (Exodus 22:28), parents (Ex. 21:17; Leviticus 20:9; Prov. 20:20, 30: 11), the authorities (Ex. 22:28; Eccl. 10

 

[Faithful Son]

You failed to mention your question slimsavery hehehe

 

[slimsavery]

Heh heh

forgot to actually write my Question. Basically it was judging by what i had found in regards to curses that i was leaning to the qot questions view and i wondered what everones on the boards view was

 

[slimsavery]

I guess to clarify what i mean it is the excerpt " most sections of the Bible conceive a curse to be merely a wish, to be fulfilled by God only when just and deserved" . What concerns me is the word "most" wnat do the other sections say?! im leaning to the got questions view as it basically says i would have nothing to worry about as curses have no effect as god is soverign and that hexex, curses etc have no power because i have been freed to worship god?

Thanks for reeading

 

[Faithful Son]

I think it's better if you lean towards the gotquestions view about this issue. One thing to remember is that wikipedia is made and run by worldly people, anybody can have their say on wikipedia, so I wouldn't take their advice. I must say reading through the wikipedia sources that there is good information to be found, but generally it leans toward what people think, and not what God thinks.

I'd say make a study about it, read all the chapters (yes chapters, hehe) that deal about this issue, take the gotquestions references and read your Bible. The main thing is not to worry that a curse will fall upon you, or live in fear that God has wrath He wants to sow upon you.

Medidate on those verses, you may even read the wikipedia Bible references if you like, but read it in your own Bible. Pray when reading, think about what you read, medidate on what you read and live what you read.

God bless
teraside

 

[Faithful Son]

Lol, you are making me double post here slimsavery! Yes, I totally agree with your last post. Remember that you are set free from everything when you start serving Jesus. Nothing has power over you. You are God's son.

 

[On the Path]

I have always thought of curses as being in the same boat as "superstitions".

Superstitious people believe the curses have power.

Throw away your superstitions, walk under a ladder, pick up a black cat and give it a hug, spill salt, etc.

Celebrate because we do not have the spirit of fear!!!


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[slimsavery]

Thanks for all your replies. I have just remebered what triggered me looking into curses in the first place and it was this again from wikpedia - dont worry i will be taking all your advice in the future in that realising wikpedia could be written by anyone. anyway heres what i found originally;

Curses in Rabbinic Litreature;

Cursing may be permissible when prompted by religious motives. For instance, a curse is uttered against those who mislead the people by calculating, on the basis of Biblical passages, when the Messiah will come (Sanhedrin 97b). Cursed are those who are guilty of actions which, though not forbidden, are considered reprehensible.

what does this bold bit mean? Im thinking it does not apply to us christians as jesus died on the cross for all our sins? I guess in all honesty im a little worried by the text above! i mean why would god curse you if you come in repentance and are forgiven? thanks for any help

David

 

[Chad]

Curses mentioned in the Bible

And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;

Genesis 3:14-17

And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment [is] greater than I can bear.

Genesis 4:11-13

And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed [be] Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed [be] the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Genesis 9:24-26

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

Exodus 20:4-5

He sent messengers therefore unto Balaam the son of Beor to Pethor, which [is] by the river of the land of the children of his people, to call him, saying, Behold, there is a people come out from Egypt: behold, they cover the face of the earth, and they abide over against me: Come now therefore, I pray thee, curse me this people; for they [are] too mighty for me: peradventure I shall prevail, [that] we may smite them, and [that] I may drive them out of the land: for I wot that he whom thou blessest [is] blessed, and he whom thou cursest is cursed.

Numbers 22:5-6

A ******* shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord for ever: Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee.

Deuteronomy 23:2-4

Cursed [be] the man that maketh [any] graven or molten image, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth [it] in [a] secret [place]. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that setteth light by his father or his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that smiteth his neighbour secretly. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that confirmeth not [all] the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Deuteronomy 27:15-26

But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Cursed [shalt] thou [be] in the city, and cursed [shalt] thou [be] in the field. Cursed [shall be] thy basket and thy store. Cursed [shall be] the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed [shalt] thou [be] when thou comest in, and cursed [shalt] thou [be] when thou goest out.

Deuteronomy 28:15-19

Curse ye Meroz, said the angel of the Lord, curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof; because they came not to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty.

Judges 5:23

Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself! And David said unto Michal, [It was] before the Lord, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel: therefore will I play before the Lord. And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2 Samuel 6:20-23

But Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, Behold, my master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving at his hands that which he brought: but, [as] the Lord liveth, I will run after him, and take somewhat of him. So Gehazi followed after Naaman. And when Naaman saw [him] running after him, he lighted down from the chariot to meet him, and said, [Is] all well? And he said, All [is] well. My master hath sent me, saying, Behold, even now there be come to me from mount Ephraim two young men of the sons of the prophets: give them, I pray thee, a talent of silver, and two changes of garments. And Naaman said, Be content, take two talents. And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and laid [them] upon two of his servants; and they bare [them] before him. And when he came to the tower, he took [them] from their hand, and bestowed [them] in the house: and he let the men go, and they departed. But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence [comest thou], Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither. And he said unto him, Went not mine heart [with thee], when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? [Is it] a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper [as white] as snow.

2 Kings 5:20-27

Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? [They] all say unto him, Let him be crucified. And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but [that] rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed [his] hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye [to it]. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children.

Matthew 27:22-25

And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

Mark 11:20-21

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Romans 8:20-22

 

[slimsavery]

Aha, thanks chad

So i see that God will curse those who do sins that are reprehensible. Even if they repent? What happens then? I have to say from a personal point of view this worries me, as when i suffered with OCD i used to promise God that i wouldnt do things again, or for instance someone i love would come to harm. Sometimes this didnt stop me and unfortuantly i would repeat my ritual. Do you think i will be cursed? I have come in full repentance to God so im hoping not. Any help again would be great. I have stopped making these promises now. I hope God knows i was ill and didnt mean any of this.

David

 

[slimsavery]

Im praying im not cursedmg:

 

[Dreamer]

Proverbs 26:2b, "an undeserved curse does not come to rest". I learned this verse is true.

Unfortunately, curses are all-too-real to people in Wicca. They regularly do spells and curses. You're right, though, the curses cannot get through the blood of Jesus!!!

This may sound strange, but I was hard-nosed person 16 years ago, and I wouldn't have been caught dead in a church. I had grown up in the Baptist church and I'd had enough of it! I was not involved with Wicca, but I was extremely curious about other religions, and "knowledge". An acquaintance of mine (a Wiccan) began to put ritual curses on me. And they worked. But you know what????? When I realized what was going on and how great God was, and that He loved me.....I fell to my knees for the first time in years.

 

[Dreamer]

So these "curses" that fell upon me (they were deserved, because I was NOT following Jesus), actually did me great good! It caused me to recall the goodness and the grace of Jesus, which I had once known as a child. I repented and returned to church, and took my hubby and son with me. I have served Jesus ever since that day---Feb. 17, 1991

 

[slimsavery]

Hi Dreamer

Thanks for your reply, Im so pleased you found the truth. Im just hoping God hasnt cursed me. Im doing my best to get better but to tell you the truth tonight im a little worried. I so dont want to be cursed and I have repented. I was in a bad way back then and i since finding jesus things have got a lot,lot better. im just so worried about being cursed ( from god as it might be rephersable what i did - ie promising i wouldnt do something or someone i loved would get harmed. I know God will forgive me but will he curse me)

 

[slimsavery]

can I just add that after looking through the forums I can see that my questions are probably not in the right place. I apolgise for this im just feeling pretty anxious. My heart tells me God would not curse me for being ill with OCD. I just really need some advice from you guys this evening.

Thanks for all your help

 

[slimsavery]

I belive i can take hope from
Rom.8

[1]
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.


Do you think this applies to my worries about God cursing me?

Thanks

 

[Chad]

I belive i can take hope from
Rom.8

[1]
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.


Do you think this applies to my worries about God cursing me?

Thanks

Amen! That came from GOD to you brother!

 

[slimsavery]

Amen! That came from GOD to you brother!

and it feels so good! Thanks everone for all your adviced/guidence and knowledge. Im off to bed now, its quite late in England. I think i will sleep well.

if anyone is going to add anything to this thread ill check in the morning

god bless

David

 

[Dreamer]

slimsavery.....how could you possibly be cursed....when you are so blessed?

You are conscientious of God and His Holy Spirit. You care about God and what He thinks and does.
Someone who is cursed....does not know it....does not even think about God. I never stopped to think about God until I came to my lowest point. Then I turned to Him. But you....you have already turned to him. How can you be cursed? Guilt is often from sin, and we need to confess it and give it to God. Sometimes guilt is just that, shame and guilt, when God has already forgiven us. Have you talked to the Lord Jesus about your feelings of being cursed? Yes, you have. And he gave you that awesome verse, "For there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" from Romans 8. Awesome!!!

 

[slimsavery]

And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;

Genesis 3:14-17

And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment [is] greater than I can bear.

Genesis 4:11-13

And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed [be] Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed [be] the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Genesis 9:24-26

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

Exodus 20:4-5

He sent messengers therefore unto Balaam the son of Beor to Pethor, which [is] by the river of the land of the children of his people, to call him, saying, Behold, there is a people come out from Egypt: behold, they cover the face of the earth, and they abide over against me: Come now therefore, I pray thee, curse me this people; for they [are] too mighty for me: peradventure I shall prevail, [that] we may smite them, and [that] I may drive them out of the land: for I wot that he whom thou blessest [is] blessed, and he whom thou cursest is cursed.

Numbers 22:5-6

A ******* shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord for ever: Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee.

Deuteronomy 23:2-4

Cursed [be] the man that maketh [any] graven or molten image, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth [it] in [a] secret [place]. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that setteth light by his father or his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that smiteth his neighbour secretly. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed [be] he that confirmeth not [all] the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Deuteronomy 27:15-26

But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Cursed [shalt] thou [be] in the city, and cursed [shalt] thou [be] in the field. Cursed [shall be] thy basket and thy store. Cursed [shall be] the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed [shalt] thou [be] when thou comest in, and cursed [shalt] thou [be] when thou goest out.

Deuteronomy 28:15-19

Curse ye Meroz, said the angel of the Lord, curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof; because they came not to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty.

Judges 5:23

Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself! And David said unto Michal, [It was] before the Lord, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel: therefore will I play before the Lord. And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2 Samuel 6:20-23

But Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, Behold, my master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving at his hands that which he brought: but, [as] the Lord liveth, I will run after him, and take somewhat of him. So Gehazi followed after Naaman. And when Naaman saw [him] running after him, he lighted down from the chariot to meet him, and said, [Is] all well? And he said, All [is] well. My master hath sent me, saying, Behold, even now there be come to me from mount Ephraim two young men of the sons of the prophets: give them, I pray thee, a talent of silver, and two changes of garments. And Naaman said, Be content, take two talents. And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and laid [them] upon two of his servants; and they bare [them] before him. And when he came to the tower, he took [them] from their hand, and bestowed [them] in the house: and he let the men go, and they departed. But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence [comest thou], Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither. And he said unto him, Went not mine heart [with thee], when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? [Is it] a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper [as white] as snow.

2 Kings 5:20-27

Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? [They] all say unto him, Let him be crucified. And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but [that] rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed [his] hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye [to it]. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children.

Matthew 27:22-25

And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

Mark 11:20-21

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Romans 8:20-22

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<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Chad</st1lace></st1:country-region> is I have found for myself that from Romans 8.1 that there is no condemnation in Jesus Christ. Therefore God wouldn’t curse me. This is also backed up from Got Questions
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“) How can a child of God still be under God’s curse (Romans 8:1)”
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My question is in all of the verses you have supplied above, were these incidents involving people not “ in Jesus Christ “ or if they were were they unrepentant hence that’s why they were cursed? I spoke with my church yesterday and a lot of my fears have gone but this questions is bugging me slightly! It’s a confusing subject!
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Thanks for your time
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God Bless
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David
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