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Debunking Atheism and Agnosticism

KingJ

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Atheism - disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Agnosticism - the view or belief that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable. Human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist.

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A while back I use to think being an agnostic and even to some extent an atheist, was a honest, correct and logical position to hold if you were a rational person not indoctrinated into any religion. But, today, I am truly just dumbfounded that any person on the planet with a working brain can believe this.

I once read an intelligent and honest atheist say ''Evolution and science cannot yet explain our origin. We could so easily have the big bang all wrong. But, an alternative belief of a god creator is clearly incredulous. A more unbelievable belief to hold''.

I suppose to many it is easier to imagine two atoms colliding and creating a big bang producing all life then it is to think on 'where God comes from'. I would say that both thoughts are equally mind blowing as both require one to imagine 'something coming from nothing'. Colliding atoms makes me chuckle because it seems that the smaller matter is and the further back in time we go, somehow there is a higher likely hood of 'something coming from nothing' in a realm that is clearly limited by the laws of physics.

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There is a truth so powerful and measurable that it completely and utterly debunks any type of atheistic thought. Namely, INTELLIGENT DESIGN.

Now many and I mean many believe they have debunked intelligent design and all the arguments used to support it. But if you interrogate any of these debunking myths, you will soon find yourself Rolling On The Floor Laughing Madly.

You can simply not debunk intelligent design if you have a working brain.

That we are a creation is a fact. Who the creator is and us caring to serve, is the only sensible question to ask.

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There are many arguments raised to support intelligent design.

- Scripture:

I start with this first as there is a verse from Paul that clearly states all are without excuse for not believing in God. Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

- The oldest arguments are:

1. Ontological - God is the all perfect Being. He can’t be non existent as He would then not be perfect.
2. Cosmological - Everything or almost everything in the world has a cause, an origin.
3. Teleological - The smart design of the world leads us to think of a sentient and powerful Being who created this world or set it in motion.

- Thomas Aquinas is popular for these arguments: Thomas Aquinas - Wikipedia

The First Way: Motion - All bodies are either potentially in motion or actually in motion.
The Second Way: Efficient Cause - Nothing is the efficient cause of itself.
The Third Way: Possibility and Necessity - Everything is either necessary or contingent.
The Fourth Way: Gradation - There is a gradation to be found in things: some are better (hotter, colder, etc.) than others.
The Fifth Way: Design - We observe that natural bodies act toward ends.

- Isaac Newton is popular for this quote:

In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence.

So simple and so true. Makes me think of the odds of having a working thumb. If we think of the lotto odds on getting 6 winning numbers from 49. It is 1 in 13,983,816. Now, the thumb is a lot more then 6 winning numbers from a pool of 49 of, lets say molecules. Let's for argument sake say it is only 9 from a pool of 49. Nail, skin, hair, metacarpal connection to the trapezium, bone, muscle tissue, radial veins, blood, princeps pollicis arteries.

That would mean, the odds of you having a successful working thumb are 1 in 2 054 455 634. Now we need to add compounding factors like, 1. beauty, 2. location, 3. twin brother on other hand, 4. usability. You have a brain that knows 1. the thumb does not look gross. It is covered by pretty skin. 2. It is perfectly located on the hand. It does not disrupt the movement of any other finger 3. By some miracle there is another one on the other hand 4. Having it enables you to make a fist or hold a bottle, it is so practical. All these factors add so many zero's onto the end of the already large 2 billion number. Now you can see why Isaac Newton said the 'thumb alone'. If anyone interrogated him, he need only say 'the arm' to shut them up. Or imagine, he said the 'brain'. The odds of having a winning brain....imagine that.

Conclusion:

There is literally zero doubt that we are all products of intelligent design. Let's call out atheistic and agnostic thought for what it is. A stall tactic in dealing with reality. Dealing with our Creator. Dealing with our conscience and choice to love or hate what is evil. IE Repentance of sins and judgement day!!
 
Atheism is a serious social problem. It should not be necessary for an otherwise normal citizen to either be slandered as an atheist by strange extremist cults to which he simply does not subscribe, or to have to spiritually defend himself against invasive gossips who ask too many subliminal questions or hide other agendas behind ostensibly religious chat by taking refuge in philosophical atheism. Unfortunately, religious pluralism in mainstream America has led some otherwise sober people to take the Candidie/Rubyyat approach with confrontational people, manic street preachers, and overly political Bible types.

There are an educated minority who believe something akin to Christianity privately who are forced to present rigid fronts to snoopy political operators who themselves are only using religion as a segue to politics, money, or sex talks, but by far the majority of atheists are actual fools.
 
Atheism - disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Agnosticism - the view or belief that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable. Human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist.

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A while back I use to think being an agnostic and even to some extent an atheist, was a honest, correct and logical position to hold if you were a rational person not indoctrinated into any religion. But, today, I am truly just dumbfounded that any person on the planet with a working brain can believe this.

I once read an intelligent and honest atheist say ''Evolution and science cannot yet explain our origin. We could so easily have the big bang all wrong. But, an alternative belief of a god creator is clearly incredulous. A more unbelievable belief to hold''.

I suppose to many it is easier to imagine two atoms colliding and creating a big bang producing all life then it is to think on 'where God comes from'. I would say that both thoughts are equally mind blowing as both require one to imagine 'something coming from nothing'. Colliding atoms makes me chuckle because it seems that the smaller matter is and the further back in time we go, somehow there is a higher likely hood of 'something coming from nothing' in a realm that is clearly limited by the laws of physics.

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There is a truth so powerful and measurable that it completely and utterly debunks any type of atheistic thought. Namely, INTELLIGENT DESIGN.

Now many and I mean many believe they have debunked intelligent design and all the arguments used to support it. But if you interrogate any of these debunking myths, you will soon find yourself Rolling On The Floor Laughing Madly.

You can simply not debunk intelligent design if you have a working brain.

That we are a creation is a fact. Who the creator is and us caring to serve, is the only sensible question to ask.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

There are many arguments raised to support intelligent design.

- Scripture:

I start with this first as there is a verse from Paul that clearly states all are without excuse for not believing in God. Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

- The oldest arguments are:

1. Ontological - God is the all perfect Being. He can’t be non existent as He would then not be perfect.
2. Cosmological - Everything or almost everything in the world has a cause, an origin.
3. Teleological - The smart design of the world leads us to think of a sentient and powerful Being who created this world or set it in motion.

- Thomas Aquinas is popular for these arguments: Thomas Aquinas - Wikipedia

The First Way: Motion - All bodies are either potentially in motion or actually in motion.
The Second Way: Efficient Cause - Nothing is the efficient cause of itself.
The Third Way: Possibility and Necessity - Everything is either necessary or contingent.
The Fourth Way: Gradation - There is a gradation to be found in things: some are better (hotter, colder, etc.) than others.
The Fifth Way: Design - We observe that natural bodies act toward ends.

- Isaac Newton is popular for this quote:

In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence.

So simple and so true. Makes me think of the odds of having a working thumb. If we think of the lotto odds on getting 6 winning numbers from 49. It is 1 in 13,983,816. Now, the thumb is a lot more then 6 winning numbers from a pool of 49 of, lets say molecules. Let's for argument sake say it is only 9 from a pool of 49. Nail, skin, hair, metacarpal connection to the trapezium, bone, muscle tissue, radial veins, blood, princeps pollicis arteries.

That would mean, the odds of you having a successful working thumb are 1 in 2 054 455 634. Now we need to add compounding factors like, 1. beauty, 2. location, 3. twin brother on other hand, 4. usability. You have a brain that knows 1. the thumb does not look gross. It is covered by pretty skin. 2. It is perfectly located on the hand. It does not disrupt the movement of any other finger 3. By some miracle there is another one on the other hand 4. Having it enables you to make a fist or hold a bottle, it is so practical. All these factors add so many zero's onto the end of the already large 2 billion number. Now you can see why Isaac Newton said the 'thumb alone'. If anyone interrogated him, he need only say 'the arm' to shut them up. Or imagine, he said the 'brain'. The odds of having a winning brain....imagine that.

Conclusion:

There is literally zero doubt that we are all products of intelligent design. Let's call out atheistic and agnostic thought for what it is. A stall tactic in dealing with reality. Dealing with our Creator. Dealing with our conscience and choice to love or hate what is evil. IE Repentance of sins and judgement day!!

The scriptures say that, A fool in his heart says there is no God. Fool in this instance means insane.
So there you go……
 
The scriptures say that, A fool in his heart says there is no God. Fool in this instance means insane.
So there you go……
Atheists are fools. The Bible tells me so. :):):):):):) The issue in modern big city life is that although it is traditionally accepted that parents should teach their children just to believe in the Holy Scripture (also by far the majority of American parents do exactly that), it is normal for people to seek religious fellowship as well as everyday social culture. Leaving aside social life for now (and in the age of AIDS, Coronavirus, BLM riots and raging crime waves, who needs one of those anyway)? Religious fellowship sometimes becomes hostile for people still in the first 12 to 16 years of educational life. People are both expected to be able to logically present normal secular thoughts (resume items, explanations of school diplomas and degrees, political beliefs any and normal newspaper level civic engagement with a rationality, and you don't have that mastered before the end of twelfth grade.

The free market completion between religious denominations with nominal publishing houses who (face it) also keep accounting journals, sell books, have elementary schools, and own property in which they meet and to which they retreat, and play are partially at fault. It's a matter in private life of the citizen's piety. Do you at home when no one is watching pray and read the gospel? Then you are not a fool, and not an atheist. If some pushy colporteur from a different church on the road wants to chat to you about his booklet series on the Bible, and you don't accept, that doesn't make you an atheist. I know what I'm saying is civically complicated, you all hate lawyers here because common thought has "lawyer" politicized and spelled "liberal" which doesn't mean what those Clinton and Biden fools think it means anyway, but I'm posting a serious thread.
 
Speaking of the atheists speculator of the nature of the Universe, I must tell that the minuscule ANIMAL man even scientist being like brute beasts, they can not understand the things of a superior Being and Creator of all things, neither can they know them because they are understood only by a superior wisdom that belongs exclusively to the superior Being and Creator. Furthermore, wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he has no heart to it?
Only those that were made by the Supreme Being Creator receives from His wisdom and only they understand and discern all things because these beings are also as superior beings made by the Supreme Being, He is from everlasting to everlasting, He has not beginning, nor ending. And they that were made by Him they live in a select and special environment that the Superior Being made for them specially for the home of them. By the way, without Him was not any thing made that was made, understand?

I don't think that the speculator atheists, even scientists, have wisdom to understand the creation and nature of the Universe, By the way, when they speak of the age of the Earth or Universe I find it ridiculous, extremely.
 
You know what I see in an atheist, a control freak who can't tell a lawyer from a sociologist. A liberal has learned Grammar, Rhetoric, Logic, Arithmetic, Geometry, Solar System Astronomy and Harmonic Scales. You have to be a liberal to practice law religiously, but if the sociologists can change the definition of the law to "do whatever the cop with the gun says", educational standards will plumet and no one will learn the law.
 
Atheism - disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Agnosticism - the view or belief that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable. Human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

A while back I use to think being an agnostic and even to some extent an atheist, was a honest, correct and logical position to hold if you were a rational person not indoctrinated into any religion. But, today, I am truly just dumbfounded that any person on the planet with a working brain can believe this.

I once read an intelligent and honest atheist say ''Evolution and science cannot yet explain our origin. We could so easily have the big bang all wrong. But, an alternative belief of a god creator is clearly incredulous. A more unbelievable belief to hold''.

I suppose to many it is easier to imagine two atoms colliding and creating a big bang producing all life then it is to think on 'where God comes from'. I would say that both thoughts are equally mind blowing as both require one to imagine 'something coming from nothing'. Colliding atoms makes me chuckle because it seems that the smaller matter is and the further back in time we go, somehow there is a higher likely hood of 'something coming from nothing' in a realm that is clearly limited by the laws of physics.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

There is a truth so powerful and measurable that it completely and utterly debunks any type of atheistic thought. Namely, INTELLIGENT DESIGN.

Now many and I mean many believe they have debunked intelligent design and all the arguments used to support it. But if you interrogate any of these debunking myths, you will soon find yourself Rolling On The Floor Laughing Madly.

You can simply not debunk intelligent design if you have a working brain.

That we are a creation is a fact. Who the creator is and us caring to serve, is the only sensible question to ask.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

There are many arguments raised to support intelligent design.

- Scripture:

I start with this first as there is a verse from Paul that clearly states all are without excuse for not believing in God. Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

- The oldest arguments are:

1. Ontological - God is the all perfect Being. He can’t be non existent as He would then not be perfect.
2. Cosmological - Everything or almost everything in the world has a cause, an origin.
3. Teleological - The smart design of the world leads us to think of a sentient and powerful Being who created this world or set it in motion.

- Thomas Aquinas is popular for these arguments: Thomas Aquinas - Wikipedia

The First Way: Motion - All bodies are either potentially in motion or actually in motion.
The Second Way: Efficient Cause - Nothing is the efficient cause of itself.
The Third Way: Possibility and Necessity - Everything is either necessary or contingent.
The Fourth Way: Gradation - There is a gradation to be found in things: some are better (hotter, colder, etc.) than others.
The Fifth Way: Design - We observe that natural bodies act toward ends.

- Isaac Newton is popular for this quote:

In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence.

So simple and so true. Makes me think of the odds of having a working thumb. If we think of the lotto odds on getting 6 winning numbers from 49. It is 1 in 13,983,816. Now, the thumb is a lot more then 6 winning numbers from a pool of 49 of, lets say molecules. Let's for argument sake say it is only 9 from a pool of 49. Nail, skin, hair, metacarpal connection to the trapezium, bone, muscle tissue, radial veins, blood, princeps pollicis arteries.

That would mean, the odds of you having a successful working thumb are 1 in 2 054 455 634. Now we need to add compounding factors like, 1. beauty, 2. location, 3. twin brother on other hand, 4. usability. You have a brain that knows 1. the thumb does not look gross. It is covered by pretty skin. 2. It is perfectly located on the hand. It does not disrupt the movement of any other finger 3. By some miracle there is another one on the other hand 4. Having it enables you to make a fist or hold a bottle, it is so practical. All these factors add so many zero's onto the end of the already large 2 billion number. Now you can see why Isaac Newton said the 'thumb alone'. If anyone interrogated him, he need only say 'the arm' to shut them up. Or imagine, he said the 'brain'. The odds of having a winning brain....imagine that.

Conclusion:

There is literally zero doubt that we are all products of intelligent design. Let's call out atheistic and agnostic thought for what it is. A stall tactic in dealing with reality. Dealing with our Creator. Dealing with our conscience and choice to love or hate what is evil. IE Repentance of sins and judgement day!!
If you really want to mess people up that are in the scientific community, just get a hold of somebody that's into microbiology. I've talked to a couple of microbiologists professors on the subject of evolution. And they've both told me that based on what they understand as science, there's no such thing as evolution. I think this is why you find that microbiologists are not included in any of the evolutionary type paraphernalia that's out there. In fact microbiologists are not considered a science by the scientific community.

The primary understanding of evolution, is understanding that smaller organisms evolve into something that's more complex. Well there's a little problem with that, this has to do with microbiology and what microbiologists have discovered in the sense of atomic structure.

Basically there's nothing simple about it the smaller you go the more complex it gets, it is just the opposite of the thinking of the evolutionist. And what's really absolutely crazy is when looking under an electronic microscope some 10,000 times smaller you will see things like cell structure actually move towards objects of God. Simply put, anything of a religious nature even the name of Jesus written on a piece of cloth will cause cell structure to have structure, it will be all in uniform. However if you write the name Satan on a piece of paper near what you are looking at with your electron microscope you will see still structure in chaotic form.

When this first came out everybody thought it was a joke until it kept repeating there's even a book out about it with pictures of the cell structure and the words that caused the cell structure to be either chaotic or in order and uniform
 
book out about it with pictures of the cell structure and the words that caused the cell structure to be either chaotic or in order and uniform
Dear Brother,
If you can recall what the name of the book is, I'd appreciate it if you could let me know the name/author.
Thanks in advance.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Dear Brother,
If you can recall what the name of the book is, I'd appreciate it if you could let me know the name/author.
Thanks in advance.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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The priest that told me about it has passed away but I'm going to look it up on the internet
 
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