Declining Churches

[lentz]

I have been to 5 churches lately.
The members in each of them were my age or older.
Maybe 1 had a couple under 30.
None had infants or small children.

 

[Brad Huber]

Younger people have seen the un Christlike behavior in people who claim to be christians, and it turns them off to christianity. They look to the fallen and assume all churches are filled with fallen people who are not genuine in their faith.

Its why more ppl are interested in Islam, now those people are serious about faith, even if it is wrong.

 

[lentz]

I have been to 5 churches lately.
The members in each of them were my age or older.
Maybe 1 had a couple under 30.
None had infants or small children.

The attendance was very low at each one.
1 had only 8 people,the others,under 50.
But a couple had big buildings like they were really something back in their day.

 

[Twistie]

Younger people have seen the un Christlike behavior in people who claim to be christians, and it turns them off to christianity. They look to the fallen and assume all churches are filled with fallen people who are not genuine in their faith.

Its why more ppl are interested in Islam, now those people are serious about faith, even if it is wrong.

They are confused by the words Temple and Church only one Church.. many temples of satan that gather once a week

Twistie

 

[Brad Huber]

They are confused by the words Temple and Church only one Church.. many temples of satan that gather once a week

Twistie

I wouldnt call them temples of satan, usually, they put too much emphasis on the outward actions of a man, and on scripture alone, sort of like the pharisees. They certainly wouldnt see themselves as children of satan, they just avoid the leading of the Holy Spirit to change the inside man. I think this is the reason that "Jesus wept."

 

[Twistie]

I wouldnt call them temples of satan, usually, they put too much emphasis on the outward actions of a man, and on scripture alone, sort of like the pharisees. They certainly wouldnt see themselves as children of satan, they just avoid the leading of the Holy Spirit to change the inside man. I think this is the reason that "Jesus wept."

You will know them by their fruits.. they are of satan or of YH or satan no grey area.. why so many r lost..
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

The people are the church them buildings are a temple.. one can fo to a temple n act like they r church but they only fool themselves..

YHs church is a Family not of flesh n blood but by spirit.. to go to a temple once a week n then have Nothing to do with those u gather outside of that temple is not of YH

Twistie

 

[Brad Huber]

You will know them by their fruits.. they are of satan or of YH or satan no grey area.. why so many r lost..
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

The people are the church them buildings are a temple.. one can fo to a temple n act like they r church but they only fool themselves..

YHs church is a Family not of flesh n blood but by spirit.. to go to a temple once a week n then have Nothing to do with those u gather outside of that temple is not of YH

Twistie

But by your logic, you were a child of satan when you used to hate people more so, and assume the worst of them. You need to have the heart of Abraham that didnt want the righteous to suffer with the wicked in the cities of Sodom and Gamora. We are all works in progress, and they are not beyond the Lord's help just yet. Please dont think too ill of them.

 

[watertolive]

Greetings in the Lord

I had a preacher at a church I visited that said to me. "I don't know if a person ever really knows if they are saved or not...?"
Now this man claims he is saved and has the Holy Ghost.
Umm, yes you do, I said, we are sealed by the Spirit of promise, the Spirit of truth....and more; called the seven Spirits of God.
Then I heard him try to preach. Sigh ...
The blind leading the blind.

Yes, I have prayed Abt it.

All praise glory and honor be unto God Amen

 

[MedicBravo]

There are "false Christians" and you can tell by their thoughts and actions.
Taylor Swift "claims" to be one yet she pushes many sins especially the Alphabet people. What she wears on stage and for recent years is NOT what a good Christian woman would wear.
In these, she is either a "false Christian" who didn't sincerely ask God into her life OR she's a fallen Christian. She's been ruined by Pedoland.

 

[Twistie]

But by your logic, you were a child of satan when you used to hate people more so, and assume the worst of them. You need to have the heart of Abraham that didnt want the righteous to suffer with the wicked in the cities of Sodom and Gamora. We are all works in progress, and they are not beyond the Lord's help just yet. Please dont think too ill of them.

I dont hate no one.. I know what the Word says n I believe and walk In Him.. the temple is the building the church is the people n if the fruit they produce is wordly its of satan ya can twist n wiggle the words if you want but imma stick with the Lord

Twistie

 

[Brad Huber]

I dont hate no one.. I know what the Word says n I believe and walk In Him.. the temple is the building the church is the people n if the fruit they produce is wordly its of satan ya can twist n wiggle the words if you want but imma stick with the Lord

Twistie

Love the Lord with all your heart, strength and mind, and love your "neighbor" as yourself.

Are they not our neighbor? I have been here awhile, and one of my gifts from the Lord is sort of like empathy. I can tell if people are happy or sad or angry, etc. It works best in person, but it also works pretty good even in venues like this. You used to be a lot more angry a year or so ago, not sure the time frame, so I am guessing at a year. Being angry at anyone without "good" cause is a form of hatred, thats what my empathy tells me. But you are alot better now, not sure what changed between then and now, but I rejoice in it.

 

[MedicBravo]

Love the Lord with all your heart, strength and mind, and love your "neighbor" as yourself.

Are they not our neighbor? I have been here awhile, and one of my gifts from the Lord is sort of like empathy. I can tell if people are happy or sad or angry, etc. It works best in person, but it also works pretty good even in venues like this. You used to be a lot more angry a year or so ago, not sure the time frame, so I am guessing at a year. Being angry at anyone without "good" cause is a form of hatred, thats what my empathy tells me. But you are alot better now, not sure what changed between then and now, but I rejoice in it.

Hate is a very strong word and the Lord hates.
Without God, hate is EASY and that hate leads to anger, anger leads to suffering....- Wise Yoda.
With God, one must learn to hate LESS.
Realistically, many people are too far gone.
I can tell you from many years of studying Human Growth and Development that Core beliefs in a person rarely change.
When they do, and do so permanently it can be such a shock to the system. Why you have people who have emotional breaks who become a Christian vs those who are false Christians. Worse yet are those who are so bent on fighting and mocking God and us the odds of them every changing are almost nil.
"Love" by itself without action is useless.
You can pray for such evil people but try to "love" them is almost impossible. Hilary is responsible for the deaths of a lot of people. She will either die as a pagan or Jesus will come before she does and she will STILL refuse our Lord.

 

[Brad Huber]

Hate is a very strong word and the Lord hates.
Without God, hate is EASY and that hate leads to anger, anger leads to suffering....- Wise Yoda.
With God, one must learn to hate LESS.
Realistically, many people are too far gone.
I can tell you from many years of studying Human Growth and Development that Core beliefs in a person rarely change.
When they do, and do so permanently it can be such a shock to the system. Why you have people who have emotional breaks who become a Christian vs those who are false Christians. Worse yet are those who are so bent on fighting and mocking God and us the odds of them every changing are almost nil.
"Love" by itself without action is useless.
You can pray for such evil people but try to "love" them is almost impossible. Hilary is responsible for the deaths of a lot of people. She will either die as a pagan or Jesus will come before she does and she will STILL refuse our Lord.

We are made in the image of God, and as God hates some things, so do we. I tend to hate bullies and those who love evil, more easily than I should. Because the Lord still blesses and cares for them, so hence so should I. Its not easy, but I recognize I must try my best not to hate even those who love evil. Some of them may one day repent, and I refuse to judge anyone as beyond redemption other than those spoken of in scripture of being thrown in the lake of fire. I know in my heart that a lot of judgement thats not so fun will happen to a lot of souls. But I am just not worthy of judgement upon them, I leave that to the Lord who is perfect in His judgement.

 

[Twistie]

Love the Lord with all your heart, strength and mind, and love your "neighbor" as yourself.

Are they not our neighbor? I have been here awhile, and one of my gifts from the Lord is sort of like empathy. I can tell if people are happy or sad or angry, etc. It works best in person, but it also works pretty good even in venues like this. You used to be a lot more angry a year or so ago, not sure the time frame, so I am guessing at a year. Being angry at anyone without "good" cause is a form of hatred, thats what my empathy tells me. But you are alot better now, not sure what changed between then and now, but I rejoice in it.

What is u even talking about lol u trying to tell me I gotta go to a temple to what?? Follow mans ways?? The blind lead the blind.. why would I subject my ears to hear mans flattering words?? Why would I go against what my Lord says to please man by following their ways...

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.


Perhaps u r one who trys n draws YHs people astray or perhaps u r blind perhaps your just an immature tree trying to plants seeds which will Neva happen until we have matured.. idk what u r as of yet but eventually everything comes to light...

If u must keep pestering that one needs a temple to have church please go pester one who has more patiences then I cause I am low on them these days I'm dealing with a husband who is gravely ill and a few other storms..

You may need temples to worship and to have church I don't I know who I am in Him.. n just because I won't follow the blind doesn't mean I hate.. that's sounds like a very childish thinking and reasoning.. j.s.

Now if ya wanna insist that I hate cause I won't do what u do or follow the ways of the deceived ur very much mistaken and u need to remove that plank(judging me) out of your eye before ya can help anyone see correctly..
J.s.(j.s.=Just saying)

Surely hope the Truth enlightens ya and not blind ya


Twistie

 

[Brad Huber]

What is u even talking about lol u trying to tell me I gotta go to a temple to what?? Follow mans ways?? The blind lead the blind.. why would I subject my ears to hear mans flattering words?? Why would I go against what my Lord says to please man by following their ways...

Twistie

No, definately not follow mans ways, but see them as they are and try and love them despite all their faults. You dont even need to keep going to any church that the Lord tells you not to, I assume your connection to the Holy Spirit is strong enough to recognize when to leave any "temple". Yet this is a temple, simply an online temple and you attend here regularly, so you are certainly willing to fellowship with brothers and sisters, but somehow people at these real life temples are all evil in your eyes and you refuse to even try. Have you ever thought that perhaps you might be a good witness to others there?

 

[lentz]

No, definately not follow mans ways, but see them as they are and try and love them despite all their faults. You dont even need to keep going to any church that the Lord tells you not to, I assume your connection to the Holy Spirit is strong enough to recognize when to leave any "temple". Yet this is a temple, simply an online temple and you attend here regularly, so you are certainly willing to fellowship with brothers and sisters, but somehow people at these real life temples are all evil in your eyes and you refuse to even try. Have you ever thought that perhaps you might be a good witness to others there?

I have to say Amen. I never looked at it in this way,fellowshiping with people here that I can’t see,and being down on those I can.
You are right. This is no different from being in a building physically with someone.
Thank you. You have opened my eyes at least.

 

[watertolive]

No, definately not follow mans ways, but see them as they are and try and love them despite all their faults. You dont even need to keep going to any church that the Lord tells you not to, I assume your connection to the Holy Spirit is strong enough to recognize when to leave any "temple". Yet this is a temple, simply an online temple and you attend here regularly, so you are certainly willing to fellowship with brothers and sisters, but somehow people at these real life temples are all evil in your eyes and you refuse to even try. Have you ever thought that perhaps you might be a good witness to others there?

Greetings
Yes we come here because we get to fellowship, learn, love and grow.
I have been to a church the Lord sent to, to be a good witness, and the wolves tried to tear me apart. I should have known cause there was a giant bridle but across the doors and He told me they will not receive you because they have not received Him who sent me. Yep I had read it, but God made the letters come to life.

Glory be unto God

 

[Hekuran]

I'm surprised reading the thread above that posters have assumed these congregations are synagogues of Satan, teaching false doctrine, or Pharisees.

Nobody seems to have considered that they might be small groups of faithful sincere followers of Jesus committed to serving and worshipping together.

 

[Twistie]

No, definately not follow mans ways, but see them as they are and try and love them despite all their faults. You dont even need to keep going to any church that the Lord tells you not to, I assume your connection to the Holy Spirit is strong enough to recognize when to leave any "temple". Yet this is a temple, simply an online temple and you attend here regularly, so you are certainly willing to fellowship with brothers and sisters, but somehow people at these real life temples are all evil in your eyes and you refuse to even try. Have you ever thought that perhaps you might be a good witness to others there?

Lol no this is not a temple this is an online forum a temple has brick n mortar you sure are a words twister tho.. I don't have to listen to a false preacher on here so I? I can click right off.. I don't gotta drive here neither..we r told what we are to do.. n its not playing dressup once a week...

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Many follow mans ways been there done that.. didnt work out well at all to be honest

I don't or we'll I try not to throw my pearls to swine.. and not to pour into or drink from broken cisterns..

If YH tells me to go I go if He don't I stay.. we only get what we r given as it is written
John replied, 'A person can receive not even one thing unless it has been given to him from heaven.

Twistie

 

[watertolive]

Lol no this is not a temple this is an online forum a temple has brick n mortar you sure are a words twister tho.. I don't have to listen to a false preacher on here so I? I can click right off.. I don't gotta drive here neither..we r told what we are to do.. n its not playing dressup once a week...

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Many follow mans ways been there done that.. didnt work out well at all to be honest

I don't or we'll I try not to throw my pearls to swine.. and not to pour into or drink from broken cisterns..

If YH tells me to go I go if He don't I stay.. we only get what we r given as it is written
John replied, 'A person can receive not even one thing unless it has been given to him from heaven.

Twistie

Greetings in the Lord
No actually your body is the temple in which the Holy Ghost resides; that's the only true temple. He lives in you. Know ye not that the kingdom of God is in you. This right here is the reason that (house made with hands) are so lost. Most hasn't even got a teacher that knows Him; and have no good fruit to feed anyone else. Most have been taught by man, and continue in those traditions and think they do God honor.
Very very sad.
All praise glory and honor be unto God