Do not ask any thing from God which is either related..

[dattaswami]

Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future. When you ask some thing in present or some thing in the future, it clearly means that you are reminding Him about the corresponding reaction that is to be immediately implemented in the need. This indirectly means that God is not alert as you are. This is insulting God. Due to such sin the requirement is not answered. If you are asking to protect yourself or somebody else, it indirectly means that He is not aware of the things to be done due to the irresponsibility and this also indicates that He is not as kind as yourself.

It means that God has potency to help but not kind enough to render the help. On contrary, it also means that you lack unfortunately the potency. It means if you fortunately have the potency you could have immediately responded and helped. Therefore, when ever you ask for anything it clearly means indirectly that God has some type of defect, which does not exist in your case. When you ask Him to fulfill the desire it looks as if that your desire is constitutionally justified. But God is not positively reacting due to either lack of positive response immediately or due to lack of knowledge of the constitution or due to lack of kindness to help the needy. All these points are very very subtle. But God is the most subtle and therefore, the knowledge of this analysis will certainly restrict you from asking any fulfillment of your desire.

Never bring present and future before God. Confine to the past always before God. Look back at your past life. Hundreds of incidents are there where you were helped by God. Even if you dispose some incidents through the incidental probability of success or through the efficiency of your efforts, certainly there are plenty of instances in which the help from God is clearly evident. At least remember those few incidents and express your gratefulness along praise to God for His kind help that was already done. The word Krutajnata means remembering the past help. Kruta means the past help done. Jna means identifying it by analysis. If you confine to praying the Lord and thanking Him always about the past helps from Him, the Lord will be immensely pleased. Then the present and future are spontaneously taken care of by the God. But do not adopt this technique with a mind that you will be helped by God in the present and in the future by following this procedure!

You should really follow this path and you should really forget the present and the future. When large number of people came to hear the message from Jesus, they were hungry by the noon. This point was brought to the notice of Jesus. He never asked God to provide food for those hungry people who came to hear God’s word. Had He asked for that, He would have insulted God. God knows His responsibility very well towards the devotees who came there to hear about Him. God has the power to fulfill His responsibility even in the last fraction of second. Had Jesus told God to bless the devotees with food, it clearly means that God is not as kind as Jesus. Jesus never asked for any thing. He came to know that there were four breads. He took them and showed to sky. He thanked God for providing those four pieces of bread.

Immediately the present was responded and the four breads became four thousand breads. This application of analysis is limited to Nivrutti only. You should not extend this to Pravrutti. When you are hungry you have to beg the other souls because they are not omniscient to know that you are hungry. Pravrutti and Nivrutti should never be mixed.

 

[Kit Carson]

I dunno that kinda led me in a way I did not understand.

All I can say is God is aware of all. At all times. I have found just as in his word he provides for present and future, most of the time before we even know we need it.

If something looks a bit bleak there is a reason for it, I have found that out too.

If you sincerely love him and accept his way, he provides all, be it present or future.

At least that has been my experience.

Kit

 

[dattaswami]

I dunno that kinda led me in a way I did not understand.

All I can say is God is aware of all. At all times. I have found just as in his word he provides for present and future, most of the time before we even know we need it.

If something looks a bit bleak there is a reason for it, I have found that out too.

If you sincerely love him and accept his way, he provides all, be it present or future.

At least that has been my experience.

Kit

Praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance

God optimize the sequence of fruits of deeds of a soul


God created this world with happiness and misery, which are alternating in the cycle like the plates in a moving wheel. God arranged the fruits of good and bad deeds in alternating manner even though good or bad deeds are done in a long sequence. This reshuffled arrangement of happiness and misery resembles the sweet and hot dishes in the meals and also resembles to a cinema containing both scenes of happiness and tragedy in alternating manner. Such system of alternating arrangement gives continuous entertainment not only to God but also to the individual soul. Thus, the basic intention of the God is only to entertain Himself and also all the individual souls. Anything, either happiness or misery bores, if it is continuous. Boring itself is misery.

If you have compelled God to give happiness continuously though your prayers and worship, God will drag the happiness from the future cycle as a premature fixed deposit with reduced interest and hands it over to you. He will not give happiness to you if there is no balance of good deeds.


As the impartial judge, He will not give happiness to you if there is no good deed in your list. Therefore, asking God for continuous happiness is the most foolish solution because it bores giving misery to you at the expense of good deeds. You are purchasing the misery with your hard earned cash! Moreover, when all the good deeds are exhausted, you will have the continuous misery only in all your future births. Therefore, praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance.


Such happiness attained is temporary. Hence, the permanent solution is only to learn to enjoy both good and bad results and attain continuous happiness without boring and this is the real bliss. Bliss is the state of God, who is entertained with this world having alternating scenes of happiness and misery. You have already learnt to be happy by enjoying the happiness. Now through the spiritual knowledge and continuous practice, you learn to enjoy the misery also in equal way.



Now, your enjoyment becomes continuous without boring due to absence of single phase (happiness or misery) and you have attained the state of God which is possible though effort. Now you can say that you are God because the maximum possible state of God is achieved (Matbhavamagatah..Gita). Creation, Rule and Destruction of this world are impossible for any individual soul though any effort and hence these three capabilities are irrelevant to the spiritual effort. If you attain the aim, which is possible for attainment, it is certainly the full success and you can claim that you are God in the total sense of the possible achievement.

 

[Kit Carson]

Praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance

God optimize the sequence of fruits of deeds of a soul

God created this world with happiness and misery, which are alternating in the cycle like the plates in a moving wheel. God arranged the fruits of good and bad deeds in alternating manner even though good or bad deeds are done in a long sequence. This reshuffled arrangement of happiness and misery resembles the sweet and hot dishes in the meals and also resembles to a cinema containing both scenes of happiness and tragedy in alternating manner. Such system of alternating arrangement gives continuous entertainment not only to God but also to the individual soul. Thus, the basic intention of the God is only to entertain Himself and also all the individual souls. Anything, either happiness or misery bores, if it is continuous. Boring itself is misery.

If you have compelled God to give happiness continuously though your prayers and worship, God will drag the happiness from the future cycle as a premature fixed deposit with reduced interest and hands it over to you. He will not give happiness to you if there is no balance of good deeds.


As the impartial judge, He will not give happiness to you if there is no good deed in your list. Therefore, asking God for continuous happiness is the most foolish solution because it bores giving misery to you at the expense of good deeds. You are purchasing the misery with your hard earned cash! Moreover, when all the good deeds are exhausted, you will have the continuous misery only in all your future births. Therefore, praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance.


Such happiness attained is temporary. Hence, the permanent solution is only to learn to enjoy both good and bad results and attain continuous happiness without boring and this is the real bliss. Bliss is the state of God, who is entertained with this world having alternating scenes of happiness and misery. You have already learnt to be happy by enjoying the happiness. Now through the spiritual knowledge and continuous practice, you learn to enjoy the misery also in equal way.



Now, your enjoyment becomes continuous without boring due to absence of single phase (happiness or misery) and you have attained the state of God which is possible though effort. Now you can say that you are God because the maximum possible state of God is achieved (Matbhavamagatah..Gita). Creation, Rule and Destruction of this world are impossible for any individual soul though any effort and hence these three capabilities are irrelevant to the spiritual effort. If you attain the aim, which is possible for attainment, it is certainly the full success and you can claim that you are God in the total sense of the possible achievement.

I surrender, when I have a problem I do go talk to God about it. I read the bible and ask him again . This is the way I solve many things.

Kit

 

[dattaswami]

I surrender, when I have a problem I do go talk to God about it. I read the bible and ask him again . This is the way I solve many things.

Kit

It is OK, but slowly we should reach a state in which our love to Him should not expect any worldly things to acheive in this way we will become very dear and near to God...........

 

[dattaswami]

I surrender, when I have a problem I do go talk to God about it. I read the bible and ask him again . This is the way I solve many things.

Kit

You should not misunderstand the silence of God to your prayers in your problems. Why God is careful while granting boons?



The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money


The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money. Similarly, if He cancels your sins, there is no body to question Him. Then, why is He delaying in giving money to you and in removing your problems by canceling all your sins? The reason is that His single aim is to transform you in to a divine soul.

If He gives you money, what will be the change in your behavior? If He removes all your problems, what will be the change in the practical style of your life? If God is sure that there will be no change in your behavior, He will certainly make you wealthy and will remove all your problems.

A doctor is careful to give sweets to a diabetic patient. If the sugar-level of the patient rises, the problem in treating the patient also is on the head of the doctor only. If you become wealthy and get rid of all problems, you may become an uncontrolled demon and disturb the society. You may be immersed in endless luxuries and fall down. In such case, to save the society and to save your self, God has to act. Therefore, God is careful in granting boons.

Except this complication, God is not worried in any way because His power and wealth are infinite. If you can become a realized and liberated soul through the spiritual knowledge, then, there will be no change even if you become wealthy and happy. The spiritual knowledge is like the sugar tablet given to the patient in advance. In absence of such medicine in advance, the doctor will not give you more sweets since he is aware of your sugar (ego) level in your blood. Hence, you should not misunderstand the silence of God to your prayers in your problems.

 

[The Robster]

I'll ask God what I want to ask Him. Abba and me are real tight and He likes to talk. :shade:

 

[sunshineaaks]

Praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance

God optimize the sequence of fruits of deeds of a soul


God created this world with happiness and misery, which are alternating in the cycle like the plates in a moving wheel. God arranged the fruits of good and bad deeds in alternating manner even though good or bad deeds are done in a long sequence. This reshuffled arrangement of happiness and misery resembles the sweet and hot dishes in the meals and also resembles to a cinema containing both scenes of happiness and tragedy in alternating manner. Such system of alternating arrangement gives continuous entertainment not only to God but also to the individual soul. Thus, the basic intention of the God is only to entertain Himself and also all the individual souls. Anything, either happiness or misery bores, if it is continuous. Boring itself is misery.

If you have compelled God to give happiness continuously though your prayers and worship, God will drag the happiness from the future cycle as a premature fixed deposit with reduced interest and hands it over to you. He will not give happiness to you if there is no balance of good deeds.


As the impartial judge, He will not give happiness to you if there is no good deed in your list. Therefore, asking God for continuous happiness is the most foolish solution because it bores giving misery to you at the expense of good deeds. You are purchasing the misery with your hard earned cash! Moreover, when all the good deeds are exhausted, you will have the continuous misery only in all your future births. Therefore, praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance.


Such happiness attained is temporary. Hence, the permanent solution is only to learn to enjoy both good and bad results and attain continuous happiness without boring and this is the real bliss. Bliss is the state of God, who is entertained with this world having alternating scenes of happiness and misery. You have already learnt to be happy by enjoying the happiness. Now through the spiritual knowledge and continuous practice, you learn to enjoy the misery also in equal way.



Now, your enjoyment becomes continuous without boring due to absence of single phase (happiness or misery) and you have attained the state of God which is possible though effort. Now you can say that you are God because the maximum possible state of God is achieved (Matbhavamagatah..Gita). Creation, Rule and Destruction of this world are impossible for any individual soul though any effort and hence these three capabilities are irrelevant to the spiritual effort. If you attain the aim, which is possible for attainment, it is certainly the full success and you can claim that you are God in the total sense of the possible achievement.

Could you give Scriptural evidence of your claim here? Some of the out of context verses that may have brought about this assertion which we can dissect, examine and study to find truth rather than this proclamation?

You claim

If you attain the aim, which is possible for attainment, it is certainly the full success and you can claim that you are God in the total sense of the possible achievement.

Satan attempted to 'attain the aim' and be God also. It appears he is attempting to gather more followers. Could you please, give Biblical evidence of your claim that we 'are God in the total sense of possible achievement"?

Though Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18 are making a specific reference to the kings of Babylon and Tyre, they also refer to the spiritual power behind these kinds, namely, Satan. These passages describe “why” Satan fell but not specifically when.

We do, however, know that the angels were created before the earth (Job 38:4-7) and Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:1-14). We also know in Job 1:6-7 that Satan still had access to heaven and to the throne of God but don’t know at what point God discontinued this access or if He has yet (if anyone knows I would be interested)

 

[sunshineaaks]

You should not misunderstand the silence of God to your prayers in your problems. Why God is careful while granting boons?



The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money


The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money. Similarly, if He cancels your sins, there is no body to question Him. Then, why is He delaying in giving money to you and in removing your problems by canceling all your sins? The reason is that His single aim is to transform you in to a divine soul.

If He gives you money, what will be the change in your behavior? If He removes all your problems, what will be the change in the practical style of your life? If God is sure that there will be no change in your behavior, He will certainly make you wealthy and will remove all your problems.

A doctor is careful to give sweets to a diabetic patient. If the sugar-level of the patient rises, the problem in treating the patient also is on the head of the doctor only. If you become wealthy and get rid of all problems, you may become an uncontrolled demon and disturb the society. You may be immersed in endless luxuries and fall down. In such case, to save the society and to save your self, God has to act. Therefore, God is careful in granting boons.

Except this complication, God is not worried in any way because His power and wealth are infinite. If you can become a realized and liberated soul through the spiritual knowledge, then, there will be no change even if you become wealthy and happy. The spiritual knowledge is like the sugar tablet given to the patient in advance. In absence of such medicine in advance, the doctor will not give you more sweets since he is aware of your sugar (ego) level in your blood. Hence, you should not misunderstand the silence of God to your prayers in your problems.

Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future. When you ask some thing in present or some thing in the future, it clearly means that you are reminding Him about the corresponding reaction that is to be immediately implemented in the need. This indirectly means that God is not alert as you are. This is insulting God. Due to such sin the requirement is not answered. If you are asking to protect yourself or somebody else, it indirectly means that He is not aware of the things to be done due to the irresponsibility and this also indicates that He is not as kind as yourself.

It means that God has potency to help but not kind enough to render the help. On contrary, it also means that you lack unfortunately the potency. It means if you fortunately have the potency you could have immediately responded and helped. Therefore, when ever you ask for anything it clearly means indirectly that God has some type of defect, which does not exist in your case. When you ask Him to fulfill the desire it looks as if that your desire is constitutionally justified. But God is not positively reacting due to either lack of positive response immediately or due to lack of knowledge of the constitution or due to lack of kindness to help the needy. All these points are very very subtle. But God is the most subtle and therefore, the knowledge of this analysis will certainly restrict you from asking any fulfillment of your desire.

Never bring present and future before God. Confine to the past always before God. Look back at your past life. Hundreds of incidents are there where you were helped by God. Even if you dispose some incidents through the incidental probability of success or through the efficiency of your efforts, certainly there are plenty of instances in which the help from God is clearly evident. At least remember those few incidents and express your gratefulness along praise to God for His kind help that was already done. The word Krutajnata means remembering the past help. Kruta means the past help done. Jna means identifying it by analysis. If you confine to praying the Lord and thanking Him always about the past helps from Him, the Lord will be immensely pleased. Then the present and future are spontaneously taken care of by the God. But do not adopt this technique with a mind that you will be helped by God in the present and in the future by following this procedure!

You should really follow this path and you should really forget the present and the future. When large number of people came to hear the message from Jesus, they were hungry by the noon. This point was brought to the notice of Jesus. He never asked God to provide food for those hungry people who came to hear God’s word. Had He asked for that, He would have insulted God. God knows His responsibility very well towards the devotees who came there to hear about Him. God has the power to fulfill His responsibility even in the last fraction of second. Had Jesus told God to bless the devotees with food, it clearly means that God is not as kind as Jesus. Jesus never asked for any thing. He came to know that there were four breads. He took them and showed to sky. He thanked God for providing those four pieces of bread.

Immediately the present was responded and the four breads became four thousand breads. This application of analysis is limited to Nivrutti only. You should not extend this to Pravrutti. When you are hungry you have to beg the other souls because they are not omniscient to know that you are hungry. Pravrutti and Nivrutti should never be mixed.

Could you give Scriptural evidence of your claim?

 

[dattaswami]

Could you give Scriptural evidence of your claim?

Jesus told, if you work for God's mission then you need not ask anything from God, all your need will be taken care of fantastically, but you should work for the kingdom of God for without expecting anything in return.

Even trees and birds are fed fantastically by God, why then you are worried about worldly things, only ignorant people who are not interested in God are worried for these things and struggle, but those who work for GOd and love GOd and pratically serving Him, are not worried about worldly things or possessing something....

 

[sunshineaaks]

Jesus told, if you work for God's mission then you need not ask anything from God, all your need will be taken care of fantastically, but you should work for the kingdom of God for without expecting anything in return.

Even trees and birds are fed fantastically by God, why then you are worried about worldly things, only ignorant people who are not interested in God are worried for these things and struggle, but those who work for GOd and love GOd and pratically serving Him, are not worried about worldly things or possessing something....

I'm sorry, I was asking for Scripture not more opinion or what you say verses say. Could you give me those, please?