Do you know what "loyalty" means?

[theLeadmonger]

I'm taking this slowly, since I'm new here and have far too much on my plate to spend real time socializing. I understand the way it is; the economy is fluxuating and the labor market has its ups and downs anyway, in modern times one thing a citizen of the republic can do is go on a virtual pilgrimage in "Dyson's Cathedral" (as some more poetically minded physicists and programmers call the Internet). People come to prayers for a time, or study the introductory plans for social inclusion, then move on or go back to weekday life.

However, besides our private and semiprivate faiths, there is also loyalty. Loyalty is knowledge of the CIVIC law, as faith is the belief that God at least exists, in spite of the proliferation of denominations, sects, and Heaven help us, even the flourishing of cults!

Loyalty is a human character quality, and you contract yours to your corporate employer, also you are considered by a nation that educated you within its borders to owe it. Loyalty to God is often invoked in communion service groups with baptism ceremonies and certificates, especially with reference to tithe, which is ten percent of your income expected by the parish office every week. However, under legal statutes regulating the incorporation of a nonprofit BUSINESS FOUNDATION (your church), if the administrators are shadowy and, in the background, enough that they direct you to give your loyalty solely to God, and obfuscate their identities, default on their leadership contract, or fail to follow transparency laws in tax receipt audits for the Internal Revenue Service, they can lose their business licensure and their foundations can be forfeited to the state.

This is strictly civil law, I'm not talking about blasphemy, or criminal secret activities as often reported in the yellow press. DO you have any human thoughts?

 

[Bill]

I'm taking this slowly, since I'm new here and have far too much on my plate to spend real time socializing. I understand the way it is; the economy is fluxuating and the labor market has its ups and downs anyway, in modern times one thing a citizen of the republic can do is go on a virtual pilgrimage in "Dyson's Cathedral" (as some more poetically minded physicists and programmers call the Internet). People come to prayers for a time, or study the introductory plans for social inclusion, then move on or go back to weekday life.

However, besides our private and semiprivate faiths, there is also loyalty. Loyalty is knowledge of the CIVIC law, as faith is the belief that God at least exists, in spite of the proliferation of denominations, sects, and Heaven help us, even the flourishing of cults!

Loyalty is a human character quality, and you contract yours to your corporate employer, also you are considered by a nation that educated you within its borders to owe it. Loyalty to God is often invoked in communion service groups with baptism ceremonies and certificates, especially with reference to tithe, which is ten percent of your income expected by the parish office every week. However, under legal statutes regulating the incorporation of a nonprofit BUSINESS FOUNDATION (your church), if the administrators are shadowy and, in the background, enough that they direct you to give your loyalty solely to God, and obfuscate their identities, default on their leadership contract, or fail to follow transparency laws in tax receipt audits for the Internal Revenue Service, they can lose their business licensure and their foundations can be forfeited to the state.

This is strictly civil law, I'm not talking about blasphemy, or criminal secret activities as often reported in the yellow press. DO you have any human thoughts?

Loyalty to whom, mankind or God. Because they are at opposites.

When the mark of the beast comes, and surely it will - soon now, will you follow mankind? Already governments want us to be in lockstep over Covid. The fear of which comes from the devil.

 

[theLeadmonger]

Loyalty to whom, mankind or God. Because they are at opposites.

When the mark of the beast comes, and surely it will - soon now, will you follow mankind? Already governments want us to be in lockstep over Covid. The fear of which comes from the devil.

God and man are opposite how, and in what way? According to physics (Newtons third law) for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. However, this applies only to material creation, God is supreme (the first principle or Prime Mover) the Aristotelian "That which moving and causing to move remains itself unmoved." in a discussion of natural science. God does not have an equal, God is the supreme being. Satan's causation of the fall by operating on man in the Garden of Eden through the snake isn't not an equal reaction, and technically, in terms of arithmetical number theory, it isn't even opposite. The opposite of a number or force measurement is the arithmetic inverse. (subtract the absolute value of the number to find the midpoint, then subtract the number again to find the opposite value).

God and man are not at diametrical opposites, in vector theory that isn't possible unless the two opposing forces are exactly equal. How is Satan God's equal? How is man God's equal? If you're doing that equation strictly by enumeration, you have to account for the total number of created angels, fallen vs unfallen. You know those numbers? I'm impressed, how did you arrive at your figures? While you have these numbers, how do you account for the spiritual force a fallen angel is capable of applying vs an unfallen one? Did you figure entropy into that, because a fallen angel or fallen human might be weaker dure to entropy than an unfallen, loyal angel. That might even be true of man.

I realize that Jesus as an incarnate human was overtaken by the Sanhedrin and the Court of King Herod, but even then, didn't they have to do it by stealth and treachery, taking political advantage of the Roman occupation and the gathering forces of Persia? God and man are not opposites, they are at odds.

 

[Bill]

God and man are opposite how, and in what way? According to physics (Newtons third law) for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. However, this applies only to material creation, God is supreme (the first principle or Prime Mover) the Aristotelian "That which moving and causing to move remains itself unmoved." in a discussion of natural science. God does not have an equal, God is the supreme being. Satan's causation of the fall by operating on man in the Garden of Eden through the snake isn't not an equal reaction, and technically, in terms of arithmetical number theory, it isn't even opposite. The opposite of a number or force measurement is the arithmetic inverse. (subtract the absolute value of the number to find the midpoint, then subtract the number again to find the opposite value).

God and man are not at diametrical opposites, in vector theory that isn't possible unless the two opposing forces are exactly equal. How is Satan God's equal? How is man God's equal? If you're doing that equation strictly by enumeration, you have to account for the total number of created angels, fallen vs unfallen. You know those numbers? I'm impressed, how did you arrive at your figures? While you have these numbers, how do you account for the spiritual force a fallen angel is capable of applying vs an unfallen one? Did you figure entropy into that, because a fallen angel or fallen human might be weaker dure to entropy than an unfallen, loyal angel. That might even be true of man.

I realize that Jesus as an incarnate human was overtaken by the Sanhedrin and the Court of King Herod, but even then, didn't they have to do it by stealth and treachery, taking political advantage of the Roman occupation and the gathering forces of Persia? God and man are not opposites, they are at odds.

Did I say man or did I say mankind you know there is a slight difference. The heart of mankind is far from God but there are individuals whose hearts are close to God

 

[theLeadmonger]

Did I say man or did I say mankind you know there is a slight difference. The heart of mankind is far from God but there are individuals whose hearts are close to God

Don't leave man out of the equation entirely. Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself, what did you make of that standing order?

 

[Bill]

Don't leave man out of the equation entirely. Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself, what did you make of that standing order?

Mankind is not doing it, following the will of God.

Not too long from now, the Servant of the Most High, will indeed bring God's punishment to this earth.

But the remnant will be unscathed.

 

[theLeadmonger]

Mankind is not doing it, following the will of God.

Not too long from now, the Servant of the Most High, will indeed bring God's punishment to this earth.

But the remnant will be unscathed.

Well, if you just do what Jesus said to in the Bible, you'll be fine. I use proportionality in my reasoning on scriptures, you'll notice in Old Testament studies that Mosaic law is Torah (state law) and that there is also Talmud (Judges and king's decisions on Mosaic Law). Look at divine law the same way. The Ten Commandments are Torah, and the teachings from Christ's speeches during His ministry are Talmud. Moses laws given around Siani for the state coincide with the delivery of the divine law given at the pinnacle of Siani. and Jesus' teachings on the Ten Commandments are to the divine law as Hebrew scribes of the time before the Babylonian captivity are to the incorporating state laws given by Moses. Moses' laws are specifically for Israel, the Ten Commandments are universal to everyone. It forms a rational proportion.

 

[Bill]

Well, if you just do what Jesus said to in the Bible, you'll be fine. I use proportionality in my reasoning on scriptures, you'll notice in Old Testament studies that Mosaic law is Torah (state law) and that there is also Talmud (Judges and king's decisions on Mosaic Law). Look at divine law the same way. The Ten Commandments are Torah, and the teachings from Christ's speeches during His ministry are Talmud. Moses laws given around Siani for the state coincide with the delivery of the divine law given at the pinnacle of Siani. and Jesus' teachings on the Ten Commandments are to the divine law as Hebrew scribes of the time before the Babylonian captivity are to the incorporating state laws given by Moses. Moses' laws are specifically for Israel, the Ten Commandments are universal to everyone. It forms a rational proportion.

Reading the scripture and fulfilling what the lord requires are two different things. You can read scripture all day long you can accept Jesus as your lord and savior you can be a Jew and the claim that you're a Jew and scream it from the housetops and you can stand on the house tops and scream to the heavens that you're a Christian and have accepted Jesus as your lord and savior. But if you do not do the will of the father then you have nothing and if you do not have love in your heart then you are nothing more than a gong clanging in the Wind

 

[theLeadmonger]

Reading the scripture and fulfilling what the lord requires are two different things. You can read scripture all day long you can accept Jesus as your lord and savior you can be a Jew and the claim that you're a Jew and scream it from the housetops and you can stand on the house tops and scream to the heavens that you're a Christian and have accepted Jesus as your lord and savior. But if you do not do the will of the father then you have nothing and if you do not have love in your heart then you are nothing more than a gong clanging in the Wind

You have requirements from "The Lord"? Wild. Beyond the Beatitudes, and the instructions to the apostles, I wonder what those might be. Theoretically, God speaks directly to all the descendants of the first family He created in Eden. (I realize that's a hotly debated theory.) So, you have special requirements specific to yourself? I won't ask what they are, there are too many examples and instances in the Bible of prophets who God revealed things to in visions and then told to not share at that time, for example John the Revelator, and Zacheriah his father had the same experience of being struck dumb, as did Paul on the road to Emmaus. Did you get your Lordly requirements straight from Jehovah Himself without a human intermediary, like Moses at the burning bush, or are you a state anointed prophet like Jeramiah? Which King annointed you?

 

[Bill]

You have requirements from "The Lord"? Wild. Beyond the Beatitudes, and the instructions to the apostles, I wonder what those might be. Theoretically, God speaks directly to all the descendants of the first family He created in Eden. (I realize that's a hotly debated theory.) So, you have special requirements specific to yourself? I won't ask what they are, there are too many examples and instances in the Bible of prophets who God revealed things to in visions and then told to not share at that time, for example John the Revelator, and Zacheriah his father had the same experience of being struck dumb, as did Paul on the road to Emmaus. Did you get your Lordly requirements straight from Jehovah Himself without a human intermediary, like Moses at the burning bush, or are you a state anointed prophet like Jeramiah? Which King annointed you?

It was God the Father who anointed me. And it is the Father to whom i speak with most. I know the voice of the Father and the Son, Jesus. I recognize the movement of the Holy Spirit. I have heard the Trinity speak as One.

God the Father has given to me the Armor of God, and I wield the Sword of the Apostles, and bear The Shield of the Holy Spirit.

I bear the spirit of Elijah within me, but I'm also not the person Elijah.

the Beatitudes and the instructions of the Apostles are for all of us. But you must receive the Holy Spirit for deeper instruction. It is through the Holy Spirit that many things are shown and taught to everyone. It is through the Holy Spirit that I know that "love is the key". It is the love of God and receiving the love of God that will bring you to heaven.

do you know what the love of God is? The love of God is Jesus

 

[Twistie]

You have requirements from "The Lord"? Wild. Beyond the Beatitudes, and the instructions to the apostles, I wonder what those might be. Theoretically, God speaks directly to all the descendants of the first family He created in Eden. (I realize that's a hotly debated theory.) So, you have special requirements specific to yourself? I won't ask what they are, there are too many examples and instances in the Bible of prophets who God revealed things to in visions and then told to not share at that time, for example John the Revelator, and Zacheriah his father had the same experience of being struck dumb, as did Paul on the road to Emmaus. Did you get your Lordly requirements straight from Jehovah Himself without a human intermediary, like Moses at the burning bush, or are you a state anointed prophet like Jeramiah? Which King annointed you?

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say

This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”


Twistie

 

[Bill]

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say

This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”


Twistie

Said well said twistie

 

[Twistie]

Said well said twistie

It is not I but He whom dwells in me..we r just a vessel...
I believe many many many fail to recognize this within themselves...

Hope all is well with ya!!

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

Theoretically, God speaks directly to all the descendants of the first family He created in Eden. (I realize that's a hotly debated theory.)

It is written for those who Have ears let them Hear.. do you not Hear the Father?... r you being taught by man?? For it is written flesh gives birth to flesh..

Only One Teacher Only one can reveal... n it's not man...


Js

Twistie

 

[Bill]

Paul says that we are all co-heirs of the children of Abraham. We are the adopted family of the first born

 

[theLeadmonger]

It is written for those who Have ears let them Hear.. do you not Hear the Father?... r you being taught by man?? For it is written flesh gives birth to flesh..

Only One Teacher Only one can reveal... n it's not man...


Js

Twistie

Actually, you need to remember that the four gospels were written by the evangelists, who were all men. Jesus had twelve apostles, whom he deputized to carry on HIs ministry and to further His work and teaching after the assentation. Don't be a slacker, memorize the councils of twelve and make sure that you can distinguish between Judas, Simion, Benjimin, Luke, and so on. The Council of Elders, otherwise known as the patriarchy, blows hot and cold, I grant you that. But some teachers are faithful while others are not, so just make sure that you can discern between true and false with men. Remember that Paul said the spiritual battle was not against flash and blood, an occasional man might be apostate, but forgiven by the Mosaic or Messianic sacrifice. There's more to this than the meditation hall.

 

[Bill]

Actually, you need to remember that the four gospels were written by the evangelists, who were all men. Jesus had twelve apostles, whom he deputized to carry on HIs ministry and to further His work and teaching after the assentation. Don't be a slacker, memorize the councils of twelve and make sure that you can distinguish between Judas, Simion, Benjimin, Luke, and so on. The Council of Elders, otherwise known as the patriarchy, blows hot and cold, I grant you that. But some teachers are faithful while others are not, so just make sure that you can discern between true and false with men. Remember that Paul said the spiritual battle was not against flash and blood, an occasional man might be apostate, but forgiven by the Mosaic or Messianic sacrifice. There's more to this than the meditation hall.

Wow! Don't hear words like that too often in these parts. But it's refreshing.

I would not hammer too much on Twistie, her name is written in heaven. But there are others here, that need to hear your words much more. I'm looking forward to reading more of your material.

 

[Twistie]

Actually, you need to remember that the four gospels were written by the evangelists, who were all men. Jesus had twelve apostles, whom he deputized to carry on HIs ministry and to further His work and teaching after the assentation. Don't be a slacker, memorize the councils of twelve and make sure that you can distinguish between Judas, Simion, Benjimin, Luke, and so on. The Council of Elders, otherwise known as the patriarchy, blows hot and cold, I grant you that. But some teachers are faithful while others are not, so just make sure that you can discern between true and false with men. Remember that Paul said the spiritual battle was not against flash and blood, an occasional man might be apostate, but forgiven by the Mosaic or Messianic sacrifice. There's more to this than the meditation hall.

If u would like to question the Holy Spirit that's between u n YH but if ya don't Hear Him your not of Him n it's really that simple.. do u not hear YH?? I do

Twistie

 

[theLeadmonger]

Wow! Don't hear words like that too often in these parts. But it's refreshing.

I would not hammer too much on Twistie, her name is written in heaven. But there are others here, that need to hear your words much more. I'm looking forward to reading more of your material.

Oh, they're the baseline watermark of all politically democratic thought. That's the principle of the aristocracy of Greece, the twelve were the individual tribal elders, they had the same form of descent as the kings, being known as men by their family lines of descent. Each patriarch as the simultaneous equal of the other, because it was a matter of their family bloodlines they were judged only on their actions in the state, they weren't judged on their political arguments or decisions. An ancient Israelite was just as capable of rational thought as an ancient Greek, and the civil war in the time of Jehosophat shows that they had just as many arguments about the law. However, that specific institution of the nation, knowledge that overtone was somehow descended form one of Issac's twelve sons, predates the monarchy and effected the republican period of the judges.

 

[Bill]

Oh, they're the baseline watermark of all politically democratic thought. That's the principle of the aristocracy of Greece, the twelve were the individual tribal elders, they had the same form of descent as the kings, being known as men by their family lines of descent. Each patriarch as the simultaneous equal of the other, because it was a matter of their family bloodlines they were judged only on their actions in the state, they weren't judged on their political arguments or decisions. An ancient Israelite was just as capable of rational thought as an ancient Greek, and the civil war in the time of Jehosophat shows that they had just as many arguments about the law. However, that specific institution of the nation, knowledge that overtone was somehow descended form one of Issac's twelve sons, predates the monarchy and effected the republican period of the judges.

I am well aware of what you are saying. But i am suggesting , there is a place for this.

Use Discernment. When i look at Twistie's soul, it is pure white. She is where she needs to be with God. No point in stirring up anything, whether you are right or not. Our words are really unimportant, where she is right now is where God wants her.