Do you Sin?

[Eric E Stahl]

Do you sin?

Romans 7:14-25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 4:6-8
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

When you sin God charges it to you flesh and old nature not to your spirit.



1 Corinthians 15:51-57
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Our sleeping (dead ) bodies must wait in the grave till Jesus comes at the resurrection. He will remove our sin nature and our body will go up to meet Jesus in the air where our spirits with their new spiritual bodies will be put on over our earthly bodies as a coat. The two bodies become one body with our spirit in it.



2 Corinthians 5:4
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

 

[pundit711]

sins kill.
sin is an employer - it pays the persons wages in death.
Jesus said to some ''stop sinning'' - how? ''its the anointing that breaks the yoke''.
a born again person Is now IN christ. T
THIS ''CHRIST'' IS A VERB, [not Jesus 2nd name] FOR THE DIVINE ANOINTING - AND IT IS this christ DIVINITY NOW IN MAN, THAT STOPS SIN WITHIN AND TEACHES THEM HOW TO COME INTO PERFECTION - HERE AND NOW - TODAY.
HERE IS THE PLACE OF PERFECTING not someplace else.
What do you want to go to heaven for? what has this heaven got that we cannot find here if we are truth seekers?
I ask this not to offend - but to seek out a misconception the church system gives.
WHERE DID JESUS SAY ''HEAVEN IS''?
consider some facts please... i.e.
If you were, at this moment, whisked off to a heaven somewhere, would that improve you any? Would your selfishness suddenly disappear? No. It did not disappear for satan. It appeared there. Would your temper soften and would you receive a nice sweet spirit there? Did it have that effect on satan? Do you want to go to a place where you will not be fearful and can always have a trusting experience? Did heaven do away with satan's or distrust? If a fearful person went to heaven he would just fear being thrown out. How would heaven cure anything? It cannot and will not.
Heaven is not a cure all piece of real estate.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

sins kill.
sin is an employer - it pays the persons wages in death.
Jesus said to some ''stop sinning'' - how? ''its the anointing that breaks the yoke''.
a born again person Is now IN christ. T
THIS ''CHRIST'' IS A VERB, [not Jesus 2nd name] FOR THE DIVINE ANOINTING - AND IT IS this christ DIVINITY NOW IN MAN, THAT STOPS SIN WITHIN AND TEACHES THEM HOW TO COME INTO PERFECTION - HERE AND NOW - TODAY.
HERE IS THE PLACE OF PERFECTING not someplace else.
What do you want to go to heaven for? what has this heaven got that we cannot find here if we are truth seekers?
I ask this not to offend - but to seek out a misconception the church system gives.
WHERE DID JESUS SAY ''HEAVEN IS''?
consider some facts please... i.e.
If you were, at this moment, whisked off to a heaven somewhere, would that improve you any? Would your selfishness suddenly disappear? No. It did not disappear for satan. It appeared there. Would your temper soften and would you receive a nice sweet spirit there? Did it have that effect on satan? Do you want to go to a place where you will not be fearful and can always have a trusting experience? Did heaven do away with satan's or distrust? If a fearful person went to heaven he would just fear being thrown out. How would heaven cure anything? It cannot and will not.
Heaven is not a cure all piece of real estate.

Hi pundit711,

I am honored to have you respond to my post. I see that you have only posted 8 times since you joined in May 2011.

Pundit said "sins kill."
sin is an employer - it pays the persons wages in death.
Jesus said to some ''stop sinning'' - how? ''its the anointing that breaks the yoke''.


(Salvation and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit takes the must sin away and gives us a choice. We are not under the power of sin any more.)





a born again person Is now IN christ.
THIS ''CHRIST'' IS A VERB(((noun I think))) , [not Jesus 2nd name] FOR THE DIVINE ANOINTING - AND IT IS this christ DIVINITY NOW IN MAN, THAT STOPS SIN WITHIN AND TEACHES THEM HOW TO COME INTO PERFECTION - HERE AND NOW - TODAY.



HERE IS THE PLACE OF PERFECTING not someplace else. (((Actually I will not be perfect till I die and get rid of this flesh and old nature.))) (((But this is the place for sanctification or becoming more like Christ.)))



What do you want to go to heaven for? what has this heaven got that we cannot find here if we are truth seekers? (((Jesus and my new thinner painless body)))



I ask this not to offend - but to seek out a misconception the church system gives.
WHERE DID JESUS SAY ''HEAVEN IS''?
consider some facts please... i.e.
If you were, at this moment, whisked off to a heaven somewhere, would that improve you any? Would your selfishness suddenly disappear? No. It did not disappear for satan. It appeared there. Would your temper soften and would you receive a nice sweet spirit there? Did it have that effect on satan? Do you want to go to a place where you will not be fearful and can always have a trusting experience? Did heaven do away with satan's or distrust? If a fearful person went to heaven he would just fear being thrown out. How would heaven cure anything? It cannot and will not.
Heaven is not a cure all piece of real estate.

(((You are correct. If I were taken to heaven I would be the biggest out of place sinner in heaven.

I need to be changed before I will fit-in in heaven. It will happen at the rapture or at my death which ever God chooses for me.)))

 

[pundit711]

thanks for your reply.
Do you realise none of the great cloud of witnesses can return/ appear till the remnant/ekkelsia is perfected here?
Do you realise that JESUS cannot return till ''all His enemies are His footstool'' - the enemies are those sins and strongholds that stop HIM appearing.
Do you realise that Jesus came to set the captives free HERE.
Do you realise that the deliverers who come out from zion - DELIVER others - HERE.
''here''' is where it all happens - let us go onto perfection /completed in divine maturity happens HERE AND NOW. no place else.
The ''rapture'' is a false concept - and a total deception in the church system.[h=2]The Heaven God Never Promised - seems to be taught.[/h][h=3]And The One He Did -seems to be ignored.

IF i ask questions.....................
Some people hope that God will change them.
Did God change satan? Well, you may say, satan didn't want changing. Then I ask, Do you? Then if you want changing why has not God changed you? May I suggest it is because you do not want changing, or perhaps God does not change people like you think He does? A thousand heavens would not change your ill temper, impatience, critical spirit, faultfinding, self-righteousness, gloom, sternness, and unbelief. No they would not and could not. If God would change you, you would have been changed by now, wouldn't you? Does God delight in your torment so He waits around to finally cure you of your disposition? How long would it take the God of the universe to change someone if He were going to change him?

SEE this whole ''wait till i get to heaven to be changed is misunderstood'' - why? OUR TRANSFORMATION HAS TO HAPPEN HERE -[/h]

 

[Eric E Stahl]

thanks for your reply.
Do you realise none of the great cloud of witnesses can return/ appear till the remnant/ekkelsia is perfected here?
Do you realise that JESUS cannot return till ''all His enemies are His footstool'' - the enemies are those sins and strongholds that stop HIM appearing.
Do you realise that Jesus came to set the captives free HERE.
Do you realise that the deliverers who come out from zion - DELIVER others - HERE.
''here''' is where it all happens - let us go onto perfection /completed in divine maturity happens HERE AND NOW. no place else.
The ''rapture'' is a false concept - and a total deception in the church system.The Heaven God Never Promised - seems to be taught.

And The One He Did -seems to be ignored.

IF i ask questions.....................
Some people hope that God will change them.
Did God change satan? Well, you may say, satan didn't want changing. Then I ask, Do you? Then if you want changing why has not God changed you? May I suggest it is because you do not want changing, or perhaps God does not change people like you think He does? A thousand heavens would not change your ill temper, impatience, critical spirit, faultfinding, self-righteousness, gloom, sternness, and unbelief. No they would not and could not. If God would change you, you would have been changed by now, wouldn't you? Does God delight in your torment so He waits around to finally cure you of your disposition? How long would it take the God of the universe to change someone if He were going to change him?

SEE this whole ''wait till i get to heaven to be changed is misunderstood'' - why? OUR TRANSFORMATION HAS TO HAPPEN HERE -

How close to perfect have you and the people in your church become? I try hard to do right but some times I speed in my car. I also find it hard to control my thoughts when people are cruel.

 

[B-A-C]

When you sin God charges it to you flesh and old nature not to your spirit.

Interesting quote, I agree with it. Especially the part about "when you sin".
1 Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
1 Cor 15:34 Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.
1 Tim 5:20 Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.

As you say, it may only be our flesh that wants to continue sinning. (continue in bad habits) but unfortunately, as along as we are on the earth, we are still flesh beings.

 

[pundit711]

thanks for your question.
perhaps it is best to gain a NT foundational understanding rather than a church system understanding for there is a vast difference,
When Nicodemus the religious RULER of the Jews came to see Jesus and find out the reason for such a vast difference between both Ministeries JESUS SAID ''ye must be born again from above''. This meant that Nicodemus was to learn how to be awakened and quickened into a New creature = not an old one reformed BUT NEW. ALTOGETHER NEW - and this new creation was his true man - his spirit that is his ''god particle' so to speak and this new man of the spirit of Life had to grow and mature into FULLNESS OF SPIRIT AND THE NEWNESS OF LIFE - and this happens as the ANOINTING FILLS up a born again person who is coming into TRUE SALVATION by being anchored INTO THE SPIRIT OF GOD [ see John 15 - life on the vine] THIS ANOINTING comes in and progressively STOPS MEN from sinning as the Holy spirit begins to grow them INTO PERFECTION /completed/maturedc - as this is taking place, forgiveness and grace and mercy abounds
why? BECAUSE ''THERE IS THEREFORE NO CONDEMNATION, for those who are IN Christ [the action verb] Jesus.''
SO SIN IS EATEN UP PROGRESIVELY by the anointing so there comes a stage when SIN NO LONGER is victorious over us.
now sin can be a temptation - AS U HAVE DESCRIBED - all men suffer from this =but time comes when temptations can be resisted Just as Jesus resisted His temptations and this is done by becoming AND ALLOWING THE ANOINTING TO BREAK off the self life that kills us.

what all men need to understand is they are first a spirit yet are now having a human experience - the spirit now needs to be made alive in them and then quickened by the power of Life in the Spirit - this all stops men from being a victim of the Matrix.
TOO MANY CHURCH PEOPLE LIVE AS VICTIMS AND NOT AS VICTORIOUS SAINTS who understand how to resist and defeat the devil-

 

[Eric E Stahl]

thanks for your question.
perhaps it is best to gain a NT foundational understanding rather than a church system understanding for there is a vast difference,
When Nicodemus the religious RULER of the Jews came to see Jesus and find out the reason for such a vast difference between both Ministeries JESUS SAID ''ye must be born again from above''. This meant that Nicodemus was to learn how to be awakened and quickened into a New creature = not an old one reformed BUT NEW. ALTOGETHER NEW - and this new creation was his true man - his spirit that is his ''god particle' so to speak and this new man of the spirit of Life had to grow and mature into FULLNESS OF SPIRIT AND THE NEWNESS OF LIFE - and this happens as the ANOINTING FILLS up a born again person who is coming into TRUE SALVATION by being anchored INTO THE SPIRIT OF GOD [ see John 15 - life on the vine] THIS ANOINTING comes in and progressively STOPS MEN from sinning as the Holy spirit begins to grow them INTO PERFECTION /completed/maturedc - as this is taking place, forgiveness and grace and mercy abounds
why? BECAUSE ''THERE IS THEREFORE NO CONDEMNATION, for those who are IN Christ [the action verb] Jesus.''
SO SIN IS EATEN UP PROGRESIVELY by the anointing so there comes a stage when SIN NO LONGER is victorious over us.
now sin can be a temptation - AS U HAVE DESCRIBED - all men suffer from this =but time comes when temptations can be resisted Just as Jesus resisted His temptations and this is done by becoming AND ALLOWING THE ANOINTING TO BREAK off the self life that kills us.

what all men need to understand is they are first a spirit yet are now having a human experience - the spirit now needs to be made alive in them and then quickened by the power of Life in the Spirit - this all stops men from being a victim of the Matrix.
TOO MANY CHURCH PEOPLE LIVE AS VICTIMS AND NOT AS VICTORIOUS SAINTS who understand how to resist and defeat the devil-

Pundit711,

I can see that you are very sincere in your beliefs. I see the world doing what Timothy said would happen and much of the church is following in the foot steps of the world. I believe That the time will come when God says enough, and he will send Jesus to call me up in the air to go to heaven with him.
Have you accepted Jesus as your lord? Do we agree on that?


2 Timothy 3:1-7

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[pundit711]

yes, thanks for your reply
I have been born again from above and apprehended by God's powerhouse called wisdom of the Holy Spirit and am very blessed to live within that wonderfull verse John 10 v 10.
I progressively die daily of my self hood and self misinformed beliefs i had gathered from religious others.
I KNOW WELL, the reason why Jesus said FOLLOW ME and NO others - HE IS THE WAY into the truth of eternal life.
BTW
only HE can direct our paths because He is out of the Order of Melchedezek - or the UN-dying priesthood - but the church system sits under men who remain under the Jewish Levitical Priesthood - or the dying one - so if you have this system as your 'head' you remain dead in sin and salvation has been lost - not a church style of salvation - but TRUE MEANINGFULL SALVATION that sets the adamic flawed men from sins and death. JESUS CAME to set the captives free and so if you remain a victim to sin and death you really have never been freed but just accpeted the traditions of men and they only have a form of godilness but NO power to be redeemed and then transformed........

Jesus teaches very differenly than the church system and i do think this man ruled over system of a ''form'' only wouldn't be KIND to the truth of the Gospel for the church indoctrination is completed in al -but but butl but- those who are called out ''come out from her My people He calls and do not partake of her sins''.
well now, this truth would never sit well in the pews...... so be it.
Unless Jesus called a RC out from that system - none will go
Unless Jesus called out from the JW's and Baptists and mormons etc etc etc - none would go - but these are not the Ekklesia of the living god - none are WHO HAVE HIRELINGS and entertain each sunday for 1 hr. IT IS AN APOSTATE system and none are saved within its halls.
but ofcourse few will agree as ONLY JESUS CAN DIRECT us to the exit and then UNLEARN all we think we understand - then REMOULD US INTO HIS PATTERNED WALK so then we become His image - notice HIS CHURCH IS NOT NOT NOT made with hands........... but u see..... the church system of man is hand up by many sects/creeds/and branches of men who just wanted to be religious.
HENCE NO POWER. Just talk.

The work of the Holy Spirit is REDEMPTION - HERE AND HOW.... to stop you being dead in sin and made ALIVE IN CHRIST - ALIVE IN THE POWER OF THE RESURRECTION ANOINTING THAT RAISES U up out from the dead....
The work of the Holy spirit is so important for this spirit within is what made Jesus as He is.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

yes, thanks for your reply
I have been born again from above and apprehended by God's powerhouse called wisdom of the Holy Spirit and am very blessed to live within that wonderfull verse John 10 v 10.
I progressively die daily of my self hood and self misinformed beliefs i had gathered from religious others.
I KNOW WELL, the reason why Jesus said FOLLOW ME and NO others - HE IS THE WAY into the truth of eternal life.
BTW
only HE can direct our paths because He is out of the Order of Melchedezek - or the UN-dying priesthood - but the church system sits under men who remain under the Jewish Levitical Priesthood - or the dying one - so if you have this system as your 'head' you remain dead in sin and salvation has been lost - not a church style of salvation - but TRUE MEANINGFULL SALVATION that sets the adamic flawed men from sins and death. JESUS CAME to set the captives free and so if you remain a victim to sin and death you really have never been freed but just accpeted the traditions of men and they only have a form of godilness but NO power to be redeemed and then transformed........

Jesus teaches very differenly than the church system and i do think this man ruled over system of a ''form'' only wouldn't be KIND to the truth of the Gospel for the church indoctrination is completed in al -but but butl but- those who are called out ''come out from her My people He calls and do not partake of her sins''.
well now, this truth would never sit well in the pews...... so be it.
Unless Jesus called a RC out from that system - none will go
Unless Jesus called out from the JW's and Baptists and mormons etc etc etc - none would go - but these are not the Ekklesia of the living god - none are WHO HAVE HIRELINGS and entertain each sunday for 1 hr. IT IS AN APOSTATE system and none are saved within its halls.
but ofcourse few will agree as ONLY JESUS CAN DIRECT us to the exit and then UNLEARN all we think we understand - then REMOULD US INTO HIS PATTERNED WALK so then we become His image - notice HIS CHURCH IS NOT NOT NOT made with hands........... but u see..... the church system of man is hand up by many sects/creeds/and branches of men who just wanted to be religious.
HENCE NO POWER. Just talk.

The work of the Holy Spirit is REDEMPTION - HERE AND HOW.... to stop you being dead in sin and made ALIVE IN CHRIST - ALIVE IN THE POWER OF THE RESURRECTION ANOINTING THAT RAISES U up out from the dead....
The work of the Holy spirit is so important for this spirit within is what made Jesus as He is.

It amazes me that you think you can become sinless here on earth. And that Jesus can't come untill the church makes the world perfect.

 

[pundit711]

thanks for your reply
corrction--------
not the world made perfect - but His Ekklesia build up and perfected. or also called the building up of zion. or again the deliverers who come out from zion. perfected in Christ.
that is all biblical, that is why there are examples - ie. the wise and foolish virgins, or the bride who makes herself ready - put there for our learning.
these examples show a group of saints - not all - who have come into their fullness of spirit, finished their race and received their prize - now it states very clearly ''He cannot come back, till His enemies are under His feet''
now i ask this question
why do you think perfection/ completeness/maturity - cannot happen on earth - but in heaven[THAT IS NOT BIBLICAL - heaven is not real estate but a realm where God dwell.[JONH 15 +JOHN 17]
JESUS is building His church not made with man;s hands WITHOUT SPOT NOR WRINKLE NOR UNCLEAN THINGS - so isnt sin and death and flawed thinking of the human carnal mind - spots and wrinkles and uncleaness.? He is not building His church in heaven but on earth.
dont forget your are asked to ''move into perfection'' - also Father says ''Be perfect as I am perfect'' -all made availablehere in the finished works of the cross. We are to come out from church misrepresentations you see... Jesus is standng at the door knocking - not inside it. that is His last clear warning of what is wrong - outside knocking not inside preaching - we have to understand this fact and not be deceived.


now - If Jesus is your teacher - why would you still want to sin and be unclean ? wouldnt He show you how to overcome?
so the truth is ...


The bible clearly teaches that the manifestation of the sons and daughters of God at the close of this age brings FULL SALVATION, which, of course, includes the BODY OF INCORRUP-TION- salvation for spirit, soul and body. The purpose of this manifestation is twofold:
* first, to bring full redemption to God's elect;
* second, to bring deliverance to all peoples,

 

[james1523]

All things are possible with God. In ourselves it is not possible.