Easter Sunrise Services
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Maybe we should leave "Easter" to the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox churches that choose to celebrate the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus according to their calendar.
And what is with the full Moon aspect of this calendar?
Paganism and Babylonian religion on display.
And what is with the full Moon aspect of this calendar?
Paganism and Babylonian religion on display.
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Aside from the apparent differences in the language and grammar of Matt 28:1-6,
Mark 16:1-7, Luke 24:22-23, and John 20:1-2; the point that all clearly agree upon
is that Jesus was gone when the women arrived.
FAQ: If Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life before the sun came up, then
how can Sunday be counted as the third day since his ordeal. (Luke 24:21-23)
REPLY: Back then; civil days began at 06:00 am and ended at 06:00 pm; which
made for a twelve-hour day regardless of the season. (John 11:9-10)
Sometimes civil days began before sunrise. For example: the sun arose in
Jerusalem April 09, 2023 at 06:19 am, which in the past would've been 19 minutes
after the beginning of their civil day.
So; if Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life sometime in those 19 minutes
before sunrise, then technically he was within the limits of a new day rather than
the tail end of a previous night.
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Mark 16:1-7, Luke 24:22-23, and John 20:1-2; the point that all clearly agree upon
is that Jesus was gone when the women arrived.
FAQ: If Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life before the sun came up, then
how can Sunday be counted as the third day since his ordeal. (Luke 24:21-23)
REPLY: Back then; civil days began at 06:00 am and ended at 06:00 pm; which
made for a twelve-hour day regardless of the season. (John 11:9-10)
Sometimes civil days began before sunrise. For example: the sun arose in
Jerusalem April 09, 2023 at 06:19 am, which in the past would've been 19 minutes
after the beginning of their civil day.
So; if Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life sometime in those 19 minutes
before sunrise, then technically he was within the limits of a new day rather than
the tail end of a previous night.
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The full moon aspect comes from the feast of the Passover 15th day of Nissan.
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Jesus and his men ate their Passover dinner the night of his arrest.
Matt 26:17-20
Mark 14:12-17
Luke 22:7-15)
The Jews ate their Passover after he was dead and buried.
John 13:1-2
John 18:28-29
John 19:13-14
John 19:31)
The Jews were somehow unaware that their religious calendar was tardy the year
that Christ was crucified. He, being a prophet in direct contact with God, would of
course have known the precise moment that Passover that year was supposed to
begin; which is no doubt at least one of the reasons why Christ ate his own
Passover before the Jews ate theirs.
Ironically, the Jews were careful to avoid going after Jesus during Passover.
● Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in
the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest
Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the feast-- they said --or there
may be a riot among the people.
Due to their religious calendar's error, the Jews inadvertently put Jesus to death
during the very season they wanted to avoid.
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Jesus' resurrection is, of course, very important; but curiously it's not remembered
in the instructions for holy communion in either Matt 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24,
Luke 22:17-20, or 1Cor 11:23-26.
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Yes the focus is on the atoning sacrifice of Jesus as our Saviour and Redeemer.
But the gospel is very much about the death and resurrection of Jesus
Romans 6 > death to the old person and rising up to walk in a new life.
Our church halls do not have any crosses or crucifixes on display as for us Jesus is not on the cross but he is risen.
It is from the resurrection and the ascent back into Heaven that allowed for the promise of the Father to come upon disciples.
John 16:7 But I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you.
But the gospel is very much about the death and resurrection of Jesus
Romans 6 > death to the old person and rising up to walk in a new life.
Our church halls do not have any crosses or crucifixes on display as for us Jesus is not on the cross but he is risen.
It is from the resurrection and the ascent back into Heaven that allowed for the promise of the Father to come upon disciples.
John 16:7 But I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you.
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POSIT: Easter sunrise services are pagan: they're not in the Bible.
REPLY: Sunrise services are neither prohibited nor required in the New Testament
thus they fall into the category of debatable practices which, for Christ's followers,
are regulated by the principles discussed in the 14th chapter of Romans.
In other words: sunrise services are pagan for some folks, yes, but they aren't
necessarily pagan for everyone because not everyone is out there that morning for
a pagan purpose.
For example: human sacrifice is normally a pagan practice; but relative to God's
purposes, it's not.
For another example: Jesus and his men drank the fruit of the vine at his last
supper (Matt 26:29 & Mark 14:25) Well; a detailed examination of the 12th chapter
of Exodus readily reveals that there is nothing in black and white designating a
specific beverage for the Passover dinner, i.e. none is prohibited and none is
required, viz: it's a gray issue.
Strict legalists would insist that Jesus and his men were in violation of the
commandments that prohibits adding to and/or subtracting from the Law (Deut 4:2
& Deut 5:29-30) but they would be wrong.
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REPLY: Sunrise services are neither prohibited nor required in the New Testament
thus they fall into the category of debatable practices which, for Christ's followers,
are regulated by the principles discussed in the 14th chapter of Romans.
In other words: sunrise services are pagan for some folks, yes, but they aren't
necessarily pagan for everyone because not everyone is out there that morning for
a pagan purpose.
For example: human sacrifice is normally a pagan practice; but relative to God's
purposes, it's not.
For another example: Jesus and his men drank the fruit of the vine at his last
supper (Matt 26:29 & Mark 14:25) Well; a detailed examination of the 12th chapter
of Exodus readily reveals that there is nothing in black and white designating a
specific beverage for the Passover dinner, i.e. none is prohibited and none is
required, viz: it's a gray issue.
Strict legalists would insist that Jesus and his men were in violation of the
commandments that prohibits adding to and/or subtracting from the Law (Deut 4:2
& Deut 5:29-30) but they would be wrong.
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Scripture is not silent on this
Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
1Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let each of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that when I come no collections be then made.
Rev 1:10 I became in Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trump
Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honour of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honour of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honour of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
I don't see where any of those passages say anything about an observance of the resurrection.
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Then you do not understand the significance of Sunday to the Christians of the NT.
Just show me one scripture which says that the first day of the week was being celebrated by Christians in honor of the resurrection, much less on a weekly basis.
What is your point?
"We" choose to worship God on Sunday because it's the Lord's day.
And "we" celebrate Easter/ Resurrection Sunday with a sunrise service to remember that He Did rise again bodily on thr third day. This proved thst He was indeed the Son of God. Otherwise He would be just another religious leader who died.
And "we" celebrate Easter/ Resurrection Sunday with a sunrise service to remember that He Did rise again bodily on thr third day. This proved thst He was indeed the Son of God. Otherwise He would be just another religious leader who died.
Just so it's understood that scripture never identifies the first day of the week as the Lord's day. Actually, if any day of the week were to be called the Lord's day, it would most likely be referring to the seventh day of the week.
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Matt 28:1; Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
Mark 16:2; Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
Mark 16:9; [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Luke 24:1; But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
John 20:1; Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
It's pretty clear, Jesus rose on the 'first day of the week'. ( Sunday ).
Mark 16:2; Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
Mark 16:9; [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Luke 24:1; But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
John 20:1; Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
It's pretty clear, Jesus rose on the 'first day of the week'. ( Sunday ).
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