Evolution by Faith

[stephen]

Exodus 20:11: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:"

Contrary to what the theory of evolution says, the history of life found in the fossil record does not show simpler kinds of living things gradually becoming more complex. Nor does the fossil record show a few kinds of life gradually becoming more kinds of life. The fossil record doesn't even show one example of either of these claims that are universally accepted by evolutionists.

Life appears suddenly in the fossil record. And the living things found in the earliest rocks are completely developed and well equipped for life. Trilobites had fully formed eyes that were apparently more sophisticated than many creatures today. They appear without ancestors.

According to evolution, one of the greatest steps forward by living things was the development of skeletons. The first evolutionary step toward skeletons started with the development of calcium shells by marine creatures. Yet, the fossil record shows that creatures with calcium shells simply appear fully formed, as do creatures with internal skeletons. One question that troubles evolutionists is why creatures suddenly decided they needed skeletons. Incidentally, the astonishing variety of creatures in the oldest rocks shows a greater variety than is alive today.

Of course, the sudden appearance of fully formed, well-equipped life agrees nicely with the Bible's claim that all life was created fully formed by God. When the evidence from science agrees so well with the Bible, those who insist on evolution do so only by faith - a faith that is against the Bible.



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[WaterRock]

A Living Sphere

Exodus 20:11: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:"

Here's a question I never hear asked but the Gospel speaks of it:

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens" Gen 2:4

Was that day just considered a mulligan? :shade: (golf term meaning didn't count.)

So if in Genesis 1:1, in the beginning ELOHIM made the heaven and earth, wouldn't that count as day 1, see that it is written, "in the day"?

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Jesus is the "Day"so yes it was all made in THAT day.

That day is eternal(no beginning-no end)
Once mass/time/speed was created It looked like 6 days.
To scientists it looks like billions of years because in this universe time is relative to mass and speed.

 

[Brother Mike]

When was the Earth created........

The Bible is clear that at the Beginning, Heaven and earth was created.

The issue some have is that the earth was without form and void... The Hebrew states that the Earth was a place of Chaos laying in Waste.

Jeremiah's account.

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.


This would seem to describe the Genesis account, but in more detail.
Where the man go?? Where are the birds??

The "Generations" of the Heaven(s) and the Earth could just be focused on the Atmospheric Heaven that surrounds earth, since that was the whole focus of the seven days. The bible also speaks of 3 heavens which would include some of these layers.

Was something here before Adam..?? Angel's perhaps that the scripture says we can entertain unaware, and look like us... Is this when Satan messed up??

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Peter already mentioned Noah's flood, so why mention this, and the flood Noah went through covered the Whole earth, not just parts.. Was the earth wiped out before Adam in some event??

I am not making a Doctrine out of this, and don't know. Just something others have found and are looking at...

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[David777]

Nice thread Stephen.

"Life appears suddenly in the fossil record. And the living things found in the earliest rocks are completely developed and well equipped for life."

This is one of the fundamental problems with the theory of Evolution, no evidence of transitional species.

 

[ItinerantLurker]

Contrary to what the theory of evolution says, the history of life found in the fossil record does not show simpler kinds of living things gradually becoming more complex. Nor does the fossil record show a few kinds of life gradually becoming more kinds of life. The fossil record doesn't even show one example of either of these claims that are universally accepted by evolutionists.

Completely wrong. The law of fossil succession utterly contradicts this. What we actually see in the fossil record is a series of progressive ecosystems with a changing array of living things.

Life appears suddenly in the fossil record. And the living things found in the earliest rocks are completely developed and well equipped for life.

Of course living things are well equipped for life, why on earth would you think that natural selection would produce living things that are not well equipped for life?

According to evolution, one of the greatest steps forward by living things was the development of skeletons. The first evolutionary step toward skeletons started with the development of calcium shells by marine creatures. Yet, the fossil record shows that creatures with calcium shells simply appear fully formed, as do creatures with internal skeletons. One question that troubles evolutionists is why creatures suddenly decided they needed skeletons.

Actually, it's not that difficult of a question at all - the evolution of the first active predators would make a hard exoskeleton beneficial. Nor is finding more fossils of critters with hard parts than critters with no hard parts very mysterious - hard parts are simply more prone to fossilization.

Incidentally, the astonishing variety of creatures in the oldest rocks shows a greater variety than is alive today.

Except, of course, that it isn't. Who on earth is teaching you this?




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[David777]

Dear itinerantlurker.

Science is the idea that through observation and experimentation we can understand life and its history. This is not the case as the scripture has a different version.

Jesus Christ created the Heavens and the Earth and everything within. Jesus Christ is the revelation of God Himself.

This is the true history of life, no transitional species needed. More importantly this is not some paltry theory just the truth about the love of God. This revelation does not change over time or require constant correction and revision.

Christianity is not man's invention, it does not have its origin in human rationalism. This revelation of Jesus Christ is a gift to us for our redemption.

 

[Brother Mike]

God made it.... it's simple

ItinerantLurker:

why on earth would you think that natural selection would produce living things

for your third post you come off very arrogant and uninformed...

Natural selection never made anything.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

What more evidence do you need?? It was not evolving, but created that way.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[David777]

Hello Bother Mike.

These evolutionists are a strange species, they have not evolved since the time of Darwin. They have not received the revelation of Jesus Christ so they rely on their own understanding, we know where that leads.

Never give them an inch of room otherwise they will speculate until the cows come home. What happened beyond recorded history remains a tremendous mystery, speculation has no place in this territory.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Science is the idea that through observation and experimentation we can understand life and its history. This is not the case as the scripture has a different version.

I would like to add that all this data that science uses depends on the theory that time has always been constant.
Recent science shows that time is relevant to mass and speed so our time is governed largely by our nearest largest mass.
This makes carbon dating more unreliable than first thought.(by science)

I have even heard a scientific theory that time would be dramatically faster the closer we got to the point of the big bang.Their calculations said from the point of the big bang to our galaxy would have been about 140 hrs.+/- 10%
That's six days.I heard of this(some science mag like Popular Science or Omni) in the mid 90's and never heard any more about it.

Darwin mistook adaptation within a species as proof that all species came to be that way.
Such faith I have not seen,no not in Israel.If we could produce that kind of faith there would be a lot of mountains under water.

 

[ItinerantLurker]

ItinerantLurker:
for your third post you come off very arrogant and uninformed...

Natural selection never made anything.

Natural selection is a process by which organisms that are better adapted to their environments are more likely to survive and reproduce. I was pointing out that it's just plain silly to think that this process would result in organisms that weren't "well equipped for life", which should be jaw-droppingly obvious to anyone who actually understands what natural selection is.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

What more evidence do you need?? It was not evolving, but created that way.

Jesus Is Lord.

If you'd rather ignore the evidence we have from cosmology, genetics, biodistribution, geology, physics, chemistry, paleontology, and archaeology concerning history of the universe in favor of your interpretation of the Bible that's your call. However, that does not grant you exclusion from having your errors of fact pointed out. You don't have to believe the theory of evolution to understand it, but you do need to understand it in order to coherently criticize it. Enjoy.




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[ItinerantLurker]

I would like to add that all this data that science uses depends on the theory that time has always been constant.

Um. . .no actually it does not.

Recent science shows that time is relevant to mass and speed so our time is governed largely by our nearest largest mass.
This makes carbon dating more unreliable than first thought.(by science)

Fantastically wrong. Relativity explains gravity as the warping of spacetime by mass - this can produce time dilation. . .but it's only noticeable near very very very massive objects several orders of magnitude greater than the sun.

Relativity also predicts that time will pass slower the closer one gets to the speed of light for the observer. . .but again that only affects objects moving at or near the speed of light, which we aren't.

I have even heard a scientific theory that time would be dramatically faster the closer we got to the point of the big bang.Their calculations said from the point of the big bang to our galaxy would have been about 140 hrs.+/- 10%
That's six days.I heard of this(some science mag like Popular Science or Omni) in the mid 90's and never heard any more about it.

You heard wrong.

Darwin mistook adaptation within a species as proof that all species came to be that way.

No, Darwin found that the explanation that 50 or so species of finches living on a small group of islands were all created synonymously and separately ludicrous and instead developed a theory whereby the diversity of life is explained via descent with modification.

Scientists have actually been studying evolution in the last few centuries you know. Evolution is no longer all about Darwin.

Such faith I have not seen,no not in Israel.If we could produce that kind of faith there would be a lot of mountains under water.

There are a lot of mountains under water.




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[Quenton]

Natural selection is a process by which organisms that are better adapted to their environments are more likely to survive and reproduce. I was pointing out that it's just plain silly to think that this process would result in organisms that weren't "well equipped for life", which should be jaw-droppingly obvious to anyone who actually understands what natural selection is.



If you'd rather ignore the evidence we have from cosmology, genetics, biodistribution, geology, physics, chemistry, paleontology, and archaeology concerning history of the universe in favor of your interpretation of the Bible that's your call. However, that does not grant you exclusion from having your errors of fact pointed out. You don't have to believe the theory of evolution to understand it, but you do need to understand it in order to coherently criticize it. Enjoy.




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funny that this "evidence" changes daily

 

[jiggyfly]

You are all welcome to post your opinions and express your ideas but please be careful because rudeness is not allowed. :wink:

 

[ItinerantLurker]

funny that this "evidence" changes daily

Typically, it changes by way of refinement vs. contradiction. After over 150 years of refinements to the theory of evolution, any kind of grand contradictions don't seem very likely.




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