Fallen Nature Testing

[Beetow]

Regarding the forbidden fruit incident depicted in the 3rd chapter of the book of
Genesis:

• Rom 5:12 . .When Adam sinned, sin entered the entire human race. Adam's sin
brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.

faq: How is it fair to charge the entire human race with the sin of one man?

a: I don't know.

faq: Why do I have to die for something I didn't do?

a: I don't know.

faq: I was made a sinner before I was even born?

a: Yes.

reaction: That makes me angry!

response: You should be angry, and if you're not, then I really have to question
your moral values, i.e. your sense of justice, and your perception of right and
wrong.

reaction: Romans 5:12 is a mistake. According to Ezek 18:20, children are not
responsible for their father's sins.

response: According to Deut 5:2-4 and Gal 3:17, the laws of God are not
retroactive, i.e. Ezek 18:20 was enacted too late to have any say in Adam's life.

faq: Does my anger in this matter mean that I test positive for the fallen nature?

a: You test positive.

• Rom 8:7 . .The sinful mind is hostile to God.
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[Beetow]

There's a significant element of difference between Adam's actions and Christ's.
Everyone gets slammed with the consequences related to Adam's act; whereas the
blessings related to Jesus' act are limited to the few that are chosen from among
the many that are called.

The above makes no sense to a reasonable person because if Christ died for
everybody, then why isn't everybody chosen? And if it's God's will that everybody
be saved; then why aren't they?

Christians have invented a variety of canned apologies with which to respond to
those kinds of questions, while in the backs of their minds struggling with the
lunacy of it all because their fallen nature really and truly perceives God as
somewhat strange; though many would rather be whipped with a cord of nine tails
than ever admit to feeling that way.
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[Beetow]

I didn't start this thread to discuss the pluses and minuses of various belief systems,
rather to discuss elements of the so-called fallen nature.

Most Christians will readily admit to the universality of the fallen nature; but apparently
believe themselves immune to its effects. But John pointed out in his first epistle that if
Christians say they have no sin, it means they are failing to be totally honest about
themselves, viz: their introspection is shaded.

I'm convinced there is a day coming when I will be called on the carpet to answer for
myself. That is not the time for dissembling, i.e. to cover up one's true feelings with
pious platitudes and apologetic rhetoric. I want to be 100% transparent if perchance
Christ asks me some very personal, penetrating questions; for example:

How I really felt about God knowing ahead of time, even before creating human life, that
one day He would be destroying most of it in a deluge; not to mention confining much of
it in Hell and later on executing them via a mode of death akin to a foundry worker
falling into a kettle of molten iron. By means of precognition, the creator saw all that
coming yet went ahead and created human life anyway. How did I really feel about that?

How I really felt about being forced to get old and die due to one man's sin?

How I really felt about being made a sinner due to one man's sin?

How I really felt about God not stepping in to stop the Serpent from tempting Eve?

When I gave some serious thought to how God goes about His business, did I come to
the conclusion that some of His ways are neither reasonable nor sane?

I've no doubt that a pretty fair number of Christians are going to choke when they're
required to give truly honest answers to those kinds of questions. Some are very good
at snowing each other, but their snow jobs won't succeed with Jesus because he won't
be so much interested in what they knew about certain things, rather, how they felt
about certain things. The poor creatures are totally unprepared for the psychological
tsunami headed straight towards them.

• Rev 1:12-14 . . I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. . . . his eyes were as a
flame of fire.
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