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Give and take

Frenzy4Christ

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Is it right to be giving out so much to others as they just take.
How is the giver to react when it seems too long in a one direction transaction.

I am questioning myself a lot, cause I feel like I am not getting anything back for my efforts.

should I call it off or stick it out?
 
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It is more blessed to give than to receive.
All that Christ consists of is unselfihness only, with no slightest spot of selfishness in any thing which He teaches. Why? Because selfishness, or the spirit of selfishness is the driving force behind every sin under the sun, for if there be no selfishness, there would be no sin.
As for giving, we ought to have our heart set on the spiritual principle, which is, that we look not upon the physical or material thing which is being given, rather it is kindness in which we are giving, a sincere kindness is what is being bestowed toward another, that is what is being given in good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over; it is never the physical or material thing that matters for the true Christian, rather it is kindness.
Another point is in John.10:10, which point is, that the devil takes, Jesus gives; so which one shall we follow?
Beside these, when we are giving with an unselfish heart, we will hope for nothing again, but if we are giving with a selfish heart, we will hope for something in return, either openly, or in secret.
In Mat.25:31-46, these are the two types of people, the unselfish, and the selfish; but only one is on the side of Christ.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
 
I am questioning myself a lot, cause I feel like I am not getting anything back for my efforts.

Your reward comes from God not from the person.


Matthew 6:1- 4 (Amplified Bible)

1TAKE CARE not to do your good deeds publicly or before men, in order to be seen by them; otherwise you will have no reward [reserved for and awaiting you] with and from your Father Who is in heaven.
2Thus, whenever you give to the poor, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites in the synagogues and in the streets like to do, that they may be recognized and honored and praised by men. Truly I tell you, they have their reward in full already.
3But when you give to charity, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4So that your deeds of charity may be in secret; and your Father Who sees in secret will reward you openly.


1 Corinthians 10:31
Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.



Hebrews 6:10

10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
 
Luke 6:30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back.

Luke 6:31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Luke 6:32 "If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.

Luke 6:33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.

Luke 6:34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount.

Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.

Luke 6:36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.


Blessings
 
For Jesus Who gave Himself for us

Is it right to be giving out so much to others as they just take.
How is the giver to react when it seems too long in a one direction transaction.

I am questioning myself a lot, cause I feel like I am not getting anything back for my efforts.

should I call it off or stick it out?

Dear brother,

May I add a few word to the replies you have received?

It is easy to say "Give". Yes anyone can say it... and yet we may even know it to be true, but how do we give... constantly my friend?

What is it you you are giving? (you don't have to answer this question... I am asking for you to consider it between you and the Lord Jesus)

Let us look to our Lord... and let us consider Him.... He is our life... but how did He become our life? He gave Himself for us.

What did He give us? .... His life.

Twofold... He gave His life in ransom for us..... and now, He gives us His Ressurected Life that we may live, that we may be like Him... that we may follow Him... with the joy that was set before Him.... that He gives to us, the joy of the Holy Ghost.... our strength and reason to rejoice even if we are being used.... not because we are being used as such, but, again, twofold, because as we are giving of ourselves, He is glorified, if we give in His name, in His love, in glory to Him, doing all things as unto Him, and also, our rejoicing is that He has given us eternal life.

Please now take some time and consider what price tag you put on eternal life. You know that we are only passing through... that all of us have only a limited time on earth, that we can take nothing of this world with us... so, Please, my brother, my dear and beloved brother, consider the value of all you could possibly give.... and see if it comes close at all to the price of eternal life in Christ Jesus the Lord.

Brother, our life is hid in Him.... our life.... again, our life. So what then are you giving. Is the life of Christ in you exhaustable... can it ever run out? No. You know it can not and will not.
In fact, my brother.... as we give, we receive.... more and more of His love and grace, more and more of His peace.

I too have faced times when I have wanted to shout, "ENOUGH!!!!", only to have the gentle unction from our Lord Jesus by the Holy Ghost, reminding me that should I begin to count anything in this life.... I immediately am closing the door on His sacrifice of love for me. And, I say gentle, because such is the huge and raging sea that might engulf me should I weigh the things of this world up with His shed Blood and mercy to me a sinner, saved only by grace.

The Lord loves you my brother... and never will He ask anything of you that will harm you, that will take away from the life He has given you.

Give more.... in love... bless those who would take from you.

The world and the flesh scream at us to say, "No!" The Spirit whispers peace to our hearts and says... For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:21

and .... And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Matthew 10:28-31


and .... No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?


Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.


But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Matthew 6:24-34

and .... But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.

Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Luke 6:27-35

and .... Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.


And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?


Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Luke 6:36-49

Bless you ....><>

Br. Bear
 
Dear Frenzy4Christ

I have learned in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content Phil 4:11

Our dear Saviour gave so freely on Calvary's cross. As Christian's we should have a likeminded spirit.

You only pass through this life once dear brother...so if you can offer any service, kindness or goodness to the glory of the Lord then render it freely without expectation of recognition.

This life is just a journey. We are going to see the King and if through love and service we can lead others to Him what a reward and blessing that would be. Much better than any worldly recognition.

Our reward brother will be to see His face and be with Him in glory.

I am thy shield and thy exceeding great reward Gen 15:1

God bless you

Julia
 
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Hi there,

I have two thoughts to share:

1). Pray and seek the scripture about giving. The Lord promises to listen to us so your words do not go on deaf ears. I really struggled on forgiving someone and a dear older lady in the Lord had me look up forgiveness in the concordence. After I finished reading each verse, she said to pray about it as well, before going onto the next verse. It was not instant but o so very fruitful.

2). A quote from my husband that the Lord has really used in my life:
"a need does not constitute a calling". If your giving is out of "doing", this maybe helpful to ponder - asking the Lord - is this what you want me to do next? I belive that the Lord does have some specific things for us to do and sometimes He just "lets us pick".

Eph. 2:10 "For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
 
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I would definitely be praying about this situation and ask God to guide you in what to do. Finding peace in it will bring you joy but if you don't have peace maybe the Lord is teaching you about giving and when not to give. I don't have the answer but I do know that God can direct you to make right decisions and have peace about it.

Your sister in Christ, Trish
 
This Is Not Fair On Me... I am trying to live good but every time I get close she shuts the door....then tells me she has moved on with her life and is involved with someone new. This is not the outcome I was praying for, has God forgotten me or is this storm about to get worse?
 
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This Is Not Fair On Me... I am trying to live good but every time I get close she shuts the door....then tells me she has moved on with her life and is involved with someone new. This is not the outcome I was praying for, has God forgotten me or is this storm about to get worse?


Dear Frenzy4Christ

I am so sorry you are feeling so bleak.

You say this is not the outcome I was praying for

Have you been praying that the Lord's will is done in your life or for your own will? Ask Him to guide you according to His will....it may not be the outcome you want...but you will be blessed. Give Him your anger, hurt and frustration and ask Him to help you deal with it.

Brother, He never promised us an easy road on this journey in life. But He has promised to be with us all the way.

I will never leave thee or forsake thee Heb 13:5

All these trials give opportunity to draw closer to the Lord... to value spiritual treasures which are eternal.

Dear Frenzy4Christ please leave everything in the hands of the Lord. He wont let you down

Cause me to know the way wherein I should walk Psalm 143:8

I will continue to pray

God bless you


Julia
 
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This Is Not Fair On Me... I am trying to live good but every time I get close she shuts the door....then tells me she has moved on with her life and is involved with someone new. This is not the outcome I was praying for, has God forgotten me or is this storm about to get worse?

It seems that sometimes some things just aren't fair; but always God sees the bigger picture. Your identity and worth as a person must be in Christ rather than in other people and even how they treat you.

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dont give up no matter what!!!!! God is just testing you on how strong you are on him......and in your life struggles that he had tested you.Thats how life goes on.Continue to live good,walking in the right path.

God loves you no matter what! :)
 
So cold

I feel so cold and empty.... my whole life was focused on her, now she is acting like we are enemies. I am trying my best to keep the faith and to keep busy, just to take my mind off.

Is must be one of the most harsh times in my walk with God.

I know I am no saint, but I am working hard to become a minister in my church. That has been on my heart for a long time, and as soon as I get the ball rolling...... wham!
 
dont worry just hold on with God! God knows best for the situation, just trust in him no matter what.
 
I feel so cold and empty.... my whole life was focused on her, now she is acting like we are enemies. I am trying my best to keep the faith and to keep busy, just to take my mind off.

Is must be one of the most harsh times in my walk with God.

I know I am no saint, but I am working hard to become a minister in my church. That has been on my heart for a long time, and as soon as I get the ball rolling...... wham!


Dear Frenzy4Christ

God is our refuge and strength Psalm 46:1

As I was praying for you last night I had this image of you racing around madly trying to solve your problems by keeping busy. Then when nothing's changed posting here to say how bleak things still are.

Perhaps you need to rekindle your 'Frenzy for Christ'. Ask him to deal with all this hurt in your heart. Slow down and wait on the Lord. Ask Him to give you a tender prayful heart that is receptive to His will...even if His will does not match your own.

Life is hard brother.....but the trials and difficulties will draw you closer to Him.......if only you would allow the Lord to work in your heart.

They that wait on the Lord shall renew their strength.
Isaiah 40:31

I continue to pray.

God bless you

Julia
 
Power of love

I know that love is powerful, and that God is love, but how can I focus my love in the most effective way. They say time is a healer but it's also a long process. I had a long talk with my mother in law last night, about the fact that the wife had moved out the house. she was not too happy about that and thought I needed to put things right. True ... But it's not all up to me. I had made so many mistakes and tried to fix it on my own, but now I am more confued. I love my wife with all my heart, but she is finding it hard to let things go, she has been silence for 3 years now it's all too much for her and has grown futher out of love with me ever since. How do I go about proving my love for her again without she getting upset or angry? I miss her so much and feel robbed by the devil. How long can I hold on, this is so hard for me.
 
I know that love is powerful, and that God is love, but how can I focus my love in the most effective way. They say time is a healer but it's also a long process. I had a long talk with my mother in law last night, about the fact that the wife had moved out the house. she was not too happy about that and thought I needed to put things right. True ... But it's not all up to me. I had made so many mistakes and tried to fix it on my own, but now I am more confued. I love my wife with all my heart, but she is finding it hard to let things go, she has been silence for 3 years now it's all too much for her and has grown futher out of love with me ever since. How do I go about proving my love for her again without she getting upset or angry? I miss her so much and feel robbed by the devil. How long can I hold on, this is so hard for me.


I read this article by Max Lucado this morning and after reading your post i was reminded of it.

HAND DELIVERED BOUQUETS
by Max Lucado

Through Christ, God has accepted you. Think about what this means. You cannot keep people from rejecting you. But you can keep rejections from enraging you.

Rejections are like speed bumps on the road. They come with the journey. You’re going to get cut, dished, dropped, and kicked around. You cannot keep people from rejecting you. But you can keep rejections from enraging you. How? By letting his acceptance compensate for their rejection.

Think of it this way. Suppose you dwell in a high-rise apartment. On the window sill of your room is a solitary daisy. This morning you picked the daisy and pinned it on your lapel. Since you have only one plant, this is a big event and a special daisy.

But as soon as you’re out the door, people start picking petals off your daisy. Someone snags your subway seat. Petal picked. You’re blamed for the bad report of a coworker. Three petals. The promotion is given to someone with less experience but USC water polo looks. More petals. By the end of the day, you’re down to one. Woe be to the soul who dares to draw near it. You’re only one petal-snatching away from a blowup.

What if the scenario was altered slightly? Let’s add one character. The kind man in the apartment next door runs a flower shop on the corner. Every night on the way home he stops at your place with a fresh, undeserved, yet irresistible bouquet. These are not leftover flowers. They are top-of-the-line arrangements. You don’t know why he thinks so highly of you, but you aren’t complaining. Because of him, your apartment has a sweet fragrance, and your step has a happy bounce. Let someone mess with your flower, and you’ve got a basketful to replace it!

The difference is huge. And the interpretation is obvious.

God will load your world with flowers. He hand-delivers a bouquet to your door every day. Open it! Take them! Then, when rejections come, you won’t be left short-petaled.

God can help you get rid of your anger. He made galaxies no one has ever seen and dug canyons we have yet to find. “The LORD … heals all your diseases” (Ps. 103:2–3 NIV). Do you think among those diseases might be the affliction of anger?

Do you think God could heal your angry heart?

Do you want him to? This is not a trick question. He asks the same question of you that he asked of the invalid: “Do you want to be well?” (John 5:6). Not everyone does. You may be addicted to anger. You may be a rage junkie. Anger may be part of your identity. But if you want him to, he can change your identity. Do you want him to do so?

Do you have a better option? Like moving to a rejection-free zone? If so, enjoy your life on your desert island.

Take the flowers. Receive from him so you can love or at least put up with others.
 
willing

The truth is that I am willing to do what ever it takes to make things right, but it's so hard to have things of the past dug up and exposed in the open. But that's the case then lets go for it.
I remember me praying to God for things like patience, kindness and so on, but the truth is that it is hard to put them in practise. We are still so much in love with each other, but I need to find myself more closer to God and to do his will. I am so layed back and needed a kick, this most be it.
 
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