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Sue J Love

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Saturday, June 4, 2016, 5:30 a.m. – The Lord Jesus put in mind the song “Oh, To Be Like Thee.” Speak, Lord, your words to my heart. I read 2 Corinthians 9 (ESV).

The Grace of Giving (summary 2 Co. 8:1-9:5)

Paul addressed the Corinthian church here in the matter of giving generously to fellow believers in Jesus Christ (See: 2 Co. 8-9). He told of how Jesus, although he was rich, for our sakes became poor, so that through him we might become rich. Now, here he was not speaking of financial riches, but of spiritual richness in Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ, although he was God the Son, left his throne in heaven, came to earth, took on human flesh, suffered like we suffer, and was tempted in like manner as we are also tempted, yet without sin. There were those who followed him, but many rejected him. The religious leaders in the temple were jealous of him and they hated him, so they had him crucified on a cross, although he had done no wrong. But God the Father resurrected him from the dead.

When we are born into this world, we are born with sin natures, separate from God, without hope and destined to spend eternity in punishment. We all come up short of attaining God’s divine approval. So, that is why God the Father sent his Son Jesus Christ to the earth, to die on a cross for our sins. When he died, our sins died with him and were buried with him. When he was resurrected from the dead, he rose victorious over sin, Satan, hell and death. Only through faith in Jesus Christ can we be delivered from the curse of sin, be set free from the control of sin over our lives, and have eternal life with God beginning now and forevermore. When we trust in Jesus Christ to be Lord (owner-master) and Savior of our lives, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin, and we are resurrected with Christ in newness of life, “created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness” (Eph. 4:24).

Because of what Jesus Christ did for us in giving up his life so that we could go free, we are to have this same attitude toward other people, especially in the family of God. We are to willingly give up not only our material possessions to help others in need, but we are to give our entire lives to God to be used for his purposes and for his glory. When Jesus died for us on the cross, he purchased us back for God with his blood. Because he redeemed us, we are no longer our own, to live life for our own purposes and glory, but we are now his servants and witnesses, and he is the owner-master of our lives. And, we are now to live according to God’s will for our lives, and to give up our own selfish desires in order to please our Lord in all that we do, including in the ministry of giving financially to the needs of others. The principle here is that we help others when we are given plenty, and then when we are in need, others will help us.

Sowing and Reaping (vv. 1, 6-9)

Now it is superfluous for me to write to you about the ministry for the saints…

The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work. As it is written,

“He has distributed freely, he has given to the poor;
his righteousness endures forever.”

I don’t believe that this is teaching that we give to others in order to get back. That, to me, seems like the wrong motive for giving. We should give to others, whether it be of our time, talents, gifts or finances, because we care about them, and because we want to help them, whether or not we ever receive anything in return in this life. Yet, I do believe God will bless us for our generosity, whether it be financially or spiritually, or whether in this life or the next. To me, one of the greatest blessings of ministry is first of all in knowing we are walking in obedience to our Lord, and then it is in knowing that we are making a difference in other people’s lives, whether or not we are able to see the results in this life. I enjoy blessing others, but not because I am hoping to get something in return, but because I see what a difference it makes in their lives, and what a blessing it is to them, yet I do so even when I can’t see what difference it has made. And, that brings me joy.

Yet, there is a principle here that states that if we invest little in other people’s lives we will not see much of a return on our investment. The main return I am interested in is seeing people’s lives changed by the power and working of the Holy Spirit in their lives. So, I want to obey my Lord by investing my time and talents and gifts in ministering to the needs of others so that other people can come to know Christ or so they can be encouraged in their faith and grow in their relationships with Jesus Christ to spiritual maturity. So, I know that if I invest little time and talents and gifts in other people’s lives I am not going to see much of a return on my investment, which means I will miss out on the blessing of seeing lives transformed by the power of God because of my obedience to my Lord, as well as I will miss out on the blessing of just knowing that I am following my Lord in obedience because I love him, and because I am so grateful for all that he has done for me.

A Harvest of Righteousness (vv. 10-15)

He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness. You will be enriched in every way to be generous in every way, which through us will produce thanksgiving to God. For the ministry of this service is not only supplying the needs of the saints but is also overflowing in many thanksgivings to God. By their approval of this service, they will glorify God because of your submission that comes from your confession of the gospel of Christ, and the generosity of your contribution for them and for all others, while they long for you and pray for you, because of the surpassing grace of God upon you. Thanks be to God for his inexpressible gift!

Yet, all this comes from the Lord, and not from ourselves. If we are operating in our own flesh, and if we are doing what we do for our own glory and praise, then it doesn’t amount to much, does it? The blessing is in knowing that we are operating in the power and working of the Spirit within us, and we are under his leadership and guidance, and so all we do is just follow his lead. He is the one who opens the doors and who presents us with divine opportunities in other people’s lives. We just have to be willing to obey and to do what he says when he says to do it. We also need to be walking in close communion with our Lord so that we can hear his voice speaking to us, and so we can be sensitive to his leading, so that we can walk in obedience and do what he calls us to do when he sends us.

I find this passage of scripture so encouraging to my heart. I don’t have to worry about where the resources are going to come from, or what I am going to do, or how I am going to figure it all out. If I operate in the power of the Spirit within me, and I am open to hearing my Lord’s voice, and to following his lead, he will present me with those opportunities, and then I just have to obey him, but only in his power and strength within me, and not in my own flesh. He is going to supply all that I need. Amen! And, he is the one who is going to bring the increase, and who will enlarge the harvest of my righteousness, which is really his righteousness credited to my account because of his death on a cross.

Not only will we be a blessing to others through our generosity, but they, in return, will give thanks and praise to God, as well as will others who witness God’s grace at work in their lives. Amen! And, they will praise God for our obedience to him, too. Yet, we should not do what we do to receive praise from men or even acknowledgment of what we have done for them, for we may not receive praise, or we may not even see people praise God or give him the glory, but we may, instead, be rebuked, mocked and rejected in return. That is why we have to serve God and others without expecting anything in return, and then we leave the results up to God, believing him to bring the increase.

The main thing to remember here, though, is to follow the lead and example of Jesus Christ. He didn’t do what he did out of selfishness, but he did what he did because he loved us, and he wanted what was the very best for our lives, which is himself, and it is salvation from sin. He did what he did for us whether we loved him in return or not. And, we should love and serve and minister to others whether they acknowledge or thank or appreciate us or not, and even if they hate, reject, despise and mistreat us in return, as they did to Jesus. We need to be completely unselfish in all that we do, thinking only of pleasing our Lord and of ministering God’s love and grace to others in its various forms.

Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer

Thomas O. Chisholm / W. J. Kirkpatrick

Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
Willing to suffer others to save.

O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
Fit me for life and Heaven above.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

 
Jim Elliot put it, “He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Why work for what has no lasting value? Why rejoice over what in the end will not matter?
 
Jim Elliot put it, “He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Why work for what has no lasting value? Why rejoice over what in the end will not matter?

So true! Thank you so much for sharing those words of wisdom.
 
Saturday, June 4, 2016, 5:30 a.m. – The Lord Jesus put in mind the song “Oh, To Be Like Thee.” Speak, Lord, your words to my heart. I read 2 Corinthians 9 (ESV).

The Grace of Giving (summary 2 Co. 8:1-9:5)

Paul addressed the Corinthian church here in the matter of giving generously to fellow believers in Jesus Christ (See: 2 Co. 8-9). He told of how Jesus, although he was rich, for our sakes became poor, so that through him we might become rich. Now, here he was not speaking of financial riches, but of spiritual richness in Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ, although he was God the Son, left his throne in heaven, came to earth, took on human flesh, suffered like we suffer, and was tempted in like manner as we are also tempted, yet without sin. There were those who followed him, but many rejected him. The religious leaders in the temple were jealous of him and they hated him, so they had him crucified on a cross, although he had done no wrong. But God the Father resurrected him from the dead.

When we are born into this world, we are born with sin natures, separate from God, without hope and destined to spend eternity in punishment. We all come up short of attaining God’s divine approval. So, that is why God the Father sent his Son Jesus Christ to the earth, to die on a cross for our sins. When he died, our sins died with him and were buried with him. When he was resurrected from the dead, he rose victorious over sin, Satan, hell and death. Only through faith in Jesus Christ can we be delivered from the curse of sin, be set free from the control of sin over our lives, and have eternal life with God beginning now and forevermore. When we trust in Jesus Christ to be Lord (owner-master) and Savior of our lives, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin, and we are resurrected with Christ in newness of life, “created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness” (Eph. 4:24).

Because of what Jesus Christ did for us in giving up his life so that we could go free, we are to have this same attitude toward other people, especially in the family of God. We are to willingly give up not only our material possessions to help others in need, but we are to give our entire lives to God to be used for his purposes and for his glory. When Jesus died for us on the cross, he purchased us back for God with his blood. Because he redeemed us, we are no longer our own, to live life for our own purposes and glory, but we are now his servants and witnesses, and he is the owner-master of our lives. And, we are now to live according to God’s will for our lives, and to give up our own selfish desires in order to please our Lord in all that we do, including in the ministry of giving financially to the needs of others. The principle here is that we help others when we are given plenty, and then when we are in need, others will help us.

Sowing and Reaping (vv. 1, 6-9)

Now it is superfluous for me to write to you about the ministry for the saints…

The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work. As it is written,

“He has distributed freely, he has given to the poor;
his righteousness endures forever.”

I don’t believe that this is teaching that we give to others in order to get back. That, to me, seems like the wrong motive for giving. We should give to others, whether it be of our time, talents, gifts or finances, because we care about them, and because we want to help them, whether or not we ever receive anything in return in this life. Yet, I do believe God will bless us for our generosity, whether it be financially or spiritually, or whether in this life or the next. To me, one of the greatest blessings of ministry is first of all in knowing we are walking in obedience to our Lord, and then it is in knowing that we are making a difference in other people’s lives, whether or not we are able to see the results in this life. I enjoy blessing others, but not because I am hoping to get something in return, but because I see what a difference it makes in their lives, and what a blessing it is to them, yet I do so even when I can’t see what difference it has made. And, that brings me joy.

Yet, there is a principle here that states that if we invest little in other people’s lives we will not see much of a return on our investment. The main return I am interested in is seeing people’s lives changed by the power and working of the Holy Spirit in their lives. So, I want to obey my Lord by investing my time and talents and gifts in ministering to the needs of others so that other people can come to know Christ or so they can be encouraged in their faith and grow in their relationships with Jesus Christ to spiritual maturity. So, I know that if I invest little time and talents and gifts in other people’s lives I am not going to see much of a return on my investment, which means I will miss out on the blessing of seeing lives transformed by the power of God because of my obedience to my Lord, as well as I will miss out on the blessing of just knowing that I am following my Lord in obedience because I love him, and because I am so grateful for all that he has done for me.

A Harvest of Righteousness (vv. 10-15)

He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness. You will be enriched in every way to be generous in every way, which through us will produce thanksgiving to God. For the ministry of this service is not only supplying the needs of the saints but is also overflowing in many thanksgivings to God. By their approval of this service, they will glorify God because of your submission that comes from your confession of the gospel of Christ, and the generosity of your contribution for them and for all others, while they long for you and pray for you, because of the surpassing grace of God upon you. Thanks be to God for his inexpressible gift!

Yet, all this comes from the Lord, and not from ourselves. If we are operating in our own flesh, and if we are doing what we do for our own glory and praise, then it doesn’t amount to much, does it? The blessing is in knowing that we are operating in the power and working of the Spirit within us, and we are under his leadership and guidance, and so all we do is just follow his lead. He is the one who opens the doors and who presents us with divine opportunities in other people’s lives. We just have to be willing to obey and to do what he says when he says to do it. We also need to be walking in close communion with our Lord so that we can hear his voice speaking to us, and so we can be sensitive to his leading, so that we can walk in obedience and do what he calls us to do when he sends us.

I find this passage of scripture so encouraging to my heart. I don’t have to worry about where the resources are going to come from, or what I am going to do, or how I am going to figure it all out. If I operate in the power of the Spirit within me, and I am open to hearing my Lord’s voice, and to following his lead, he will present me with those opportunities, and then I just have to obey him, but only in his power and strength within me, and not in my own flesh. He is going to supply all that I need. Amen! And, he is the one who is going to bring the increase, and who will enlarge the harvest of my righteousness, which is really his righteousness credited to my account because of his death on a cross.

Not only will we be a blessing to others through our generosity, but they, in return, will give thanks and praise to God, as well as will others who witness God’s grace at work in their lives. Amen! And, they will praise God for our obedience to him, too. Yet, we should not do what we do to receive praise from men or even acknowledgment of what we have done for them, for we may not receive praise, or we may not even see people praise God or give him the glory, but we may, instead, be rebuked, mocked and rejected in return. That is why we have to serve God and others without expecting anything in return, and then we leave the results up to God, believing him to bring the increase.

The main thing to remember here, though, is to follow the lead and example of Jesus Christ. He didn’t do what he did out of selfishness, but he did what he did because he loved us, and he wanted what was the very best for our lives, which is himself, and it is salvation from sin. He did what he did for us whether we loved him in return or not. And, we should love and serve and minister to others whether they acknowledge or thank or appreciate us or not, and even if they hate, reject, despise and mistreat us in return, as they did to Jesus. We need to be completely unselfish in all that we do, thinking only of pleasing our Lord and of ministering God’s love and grace to others in its various forms.

Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer

Thomas O. Chisholm / W. J. Kirkpatrick

Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
Willing to suffer others to save.

O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
Fit me for life and Heaven above.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.


The article you posted started with "Paul addressed the Corinthian church here in the matter of giving generously to fellow believers in Jesus Christ (See: 2 Co. 8-9). He told of how Jesus, although he was rich, for our sakes became poor, so that through him we might become rich. Now, here he was not speaking of financial riches, but of spiritual richness in Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ"
My question to this is.....Where was the distinction drawn? Where did it say that it was only spiritual riches being spoken of? I think I missed that part..

One cannot walk in the PRESENCE of God and not be prosperous in all areas..
 
The article you posted started with "Paul addressed the Corinthian church here in the matter of giving generously to fellow believers in Jesus Christ (See: 2 Co. 8-9). He told of how Jesus, although he was rich, for our sakes became poor, so that through him we might become rich. Now, here he was not speaking of financial riches, but of spiritual richness in Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ"
My question to this is.....Where was the distinction drawn? Where did it say that it was only spiritual riches being spoken of? I think I missed that part..

One cannot walk in the PRESENCE of God and not be prosperous in all areas..

Jesus did not leave heaven, come to earth, take on human flesh, die on a cross, be resurrected from the dead and ascend back to the Father, then send his Holy Spirit to indwell the lives of his followers so that we could become rich in the treasures of this earth. The crucified life is a life which denies self, takes up its cross daily and follows Jesus. His followers left everything to follow him - homes, lands, families, wealth, etc. Yes, Jesus owns it all. And, yes, he does sometimes bless us financially that we might be able to be generous and give to others. But, he did not become poor so that we could become wealthy in the things of this life. His poverty of spirit brought us life in the Spirit, and the riches we receive are heavenly, not earthly. We are not to lay up treasures here on earth, but we are to lay up treasures in heaven. He does not guarantee that to follow him means we will have physical wealth. That is not what this is about. In fact, the lesson to be learned is that we, as well, must lay it all down, and we must sacrificially give of ourselves, our time, our resources, our talents and our money to benefit the lives of others. We must see everything we have as belonging to him and available to be used for his purposes and for his glory. There are many ways to be prosperous, but the most important way is to be successful in advancing God's heavenly kingdom, not in attaining what will only perish.
 
Jesus did not leave heaven, come to earth, take on human flesh, die on a cross, be resurrected from the dead and ascend back to the Father, then send his Holy Spirit to indwell the lives of his followers so that we could become rich in the treasures of this earth. The crucified life is a life which denies self, takes up its cross daily and follows Jesus. His followers left everything to follow him - homes, lands, families, wealth, etc. Yes, Jesus owns it all. And, yes, he does sometimes bless us financially that we might be able to be generous and give to others. But, he did not become poor so that we could become wealthy in the things of this life. His poverty of spirit brought us life in the Spirit, and the riches we receive are heavenly, not earthly. We are not to lay up treasures here on earth, but we are to lay up treasures in heaven. He does not guarantee that to follow him means we will have physical wealth. That is not what this is about. In fact, the lesson to be learned is that we, as well, must lay it all down, and we must sacrificially give of ourselves, our time, our resources, our talents and our money to benefit the lives of others. We must see everything we have as belonging to him and available to be used for his purposes and for his glory. There are many ways to be prosperous, but the most important way is to be successful in advancing God's heavenly kingdom, not in attaining what will only perish.

So I ask you....When did Jesus become poor? Then I ask you...why would a poor man need a treasurer? Judas was His treasured....Then I ask you....When Jesus was on the cross, why did the soldiers gamble to see who would take his cloak if it was the robe of a poor man? It was an expensive 'suit' that they did not want to tear. So what verses say that Jesus was poor all His life..

When He was born the wise guys came bringing Gold, Frankinsense and Myrrh
 
So I ask you....When did Jesus become poor? Then I ask you...why would a poor man need a treasurer? Judas was His treasured....Then I ask you....When Jesus was on the cross, why did the soldiers gamble to see who would take his cloak if it was the robe of a poor man? It was an expensive 'suit' that they did not want to tear. So what verses say that Jesus was poor all His life..

When He was born the wise guys came bringing Gold, Frankinsense and Myrrh

For some reason this locked up on me...I have to continue it here.......These treasures brought from Kings to a King were not a few coins...But chests of treasure, frankinsense is very expensive thing even today....Myrrh is the same....Jesus started His life a very rich person.....He was a carpenter, raised by a carpenter....Carpenters are not poor.....I find no scriptures that say Jesus was poor anywhere in His life....Only that He became poor...on the cross where He also became sin and sickness for us.
 
Jesus himself call himself homeless

English Standard Version
And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.”

If thats not poor in human standards I do not know what is

he also did not have money to pay taxes so he sent some one to find

English Standard Version
However, not to give offense to them, go to the sea and cast a hook and take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for me and for yourself.”


Jesus does not care one bit about materialism of this world, which to many in this world do. Its becomes clear who they are.

And its really as simple as this right here

English Standard Version
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.
 
Jesus himself call himself homeless

English Standard Version
And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.”

If thats not poor in human standards I do not know what is

he also did not have money to pay taxes so he sent some one to find

English Standard Version
However, not to give offense to them, go to the sea and cast a hook and take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for me and for yourself.”


Jesus does not care one bit about materialism of this world, which to many in this world do. Its becomes clear who they are.

And its really as simple as this right here

English Standard Version
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.

None of these verses says that Jesus was poor....Jesus did not own a building/ a house....He did not sleep in ditches either.....Read in context He was saying that He travels a lot...He had no home base. He was simply telling the scribe that if he were to follow Jesus he too would have to live that way....
It does not say that Jesus did not have the money....It was a lesson to Peter....God does provide! There is nothing there that says Jesus had no money. In fact it does say that it was not necessary for the Jews to pay this tax....

You have not given a single verse yet that says Jesus was poor...
 
Yet there is not a single verse in the bible that says there is a trinity, but it is implied and it is.

The bible warns of people who live for themselves and for this world over and over. No where in the bible does it promote one to go after riches it only warns of the temptations of one falls in when going after riches.

Jesus never once promotes a person to become rich never never. He does however telll us how wonderful it is for us to give until it hurts like the
English Standard Version
And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box.

Jesus and his apostles lived humble poor life, in earthly standards they were rich beyond my imagination in eternal standards in wich is how I do my best to live.
 
Look no further then your check book to see truly wear you heart is, and your treasures are.

Thanks Sue for the great Post
 
Yet there is not a single verse in the bible that says there is a trinity, but it is implied and it is.

The bible warns of people who live for themselves and for this world over and over. No where in the bible does it promote one to go after riches it only warns of the temptations of one falls in when going after riches.

Jesus never once promotes a person to become rich never never. He does however telll us how wonderful it is for us to give until it hurts like the
English Standard Version
And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box.

Jesus and his apostles lived humble poor life, in earthly standards they were rich beyond my imagination in eternal standards in wich is how I do my best to live.
Good dodge Dave! LOL Hugs on you
 
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33

The things to be added are, I believe, whatever God knows that we need and sometimes also things that would like to have and to enjoy. [see I Kings 3:11-14.] When we seek first the two things named in the verse, we will certainly receive them and we will also receive other things needed or desired. The scripture does not say that we should not seek material riches, but it does warn that the love such riches is a not a good thing:

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." I Tim 6:10

In another place the word "mammon" is used in a similar manner:

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matt 6:24

So should we work for material riches? Why not, so long as it is always a secondary search and what should be primary remains primary? For some people, however, it may be an impossible thing for them.

Does materially poor man in the materially poorest nation in the world need to become rich in money and mammon in order to be an effective witness and worker for God? I think not!

"Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk." Acts 3:6
 
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