God Creating Hardships

[Wired 4 Fishen]

You post this, but refuse to believe it is possible 24/7.
Why?

Error once again.
It is you that says I say that.
I say we can overcome But it's NOT INSTANT

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

You have used "your own reasoning" to refute Heb 5:7
"Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"
That scripture is self-explanatory.

No!!
Your understanding is using common self understanding AND NOT looking further then your nose.

Scripture says fear of the Lord.
It is the same use of fear
REVERENCE RESPECT HUMBLING

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Let this hold you until I can have more time. Scheduled Change!!

MATTHEW 18:18 CEV
18 I promise you that God in heaven will allow whatever you allow on earth, but he will not allow anything you don't allow.

Many translations use the words "bind" and "loose" in this verse. Binding and loosing is a Hebrew idiom for exercising authority. It means to prohibit and permit.

GENESIS 1:26 NKJ
26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So far we can truly see that God gave us Authority to Rule here in this earth.
This means God has given us the Right to Choose or to make choices in all areas of our lives.

If that was not enough, there is
DEUTERONOMY 30:19 NKJ
19 "I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;

We can see God has given us the Right to Choose.

Then if that wasn't enough, God told (commanded) us this Big Key Of Truth.

In The New Testament (James 4:7) God tells us we are to resist the devil and I am sure everyone is very familiar with this verse. However that alone is Incorrect and very incomplete.

Surrender or Submit unto God and then Resist the devil and he will flee.

So we see here once Again That We Have Our Part To Do.

So if we find that things are not going our way..........Stop Blaming God and Demanding to know why.
God said walk by faith and faith does not need to know why but takes God at His every word, with out questioning.

Wake Up and Do What God Has Said To Do.
Do Your Part in this and Stop sitting around crying out.....Ohhhhhhh Christians just want to have fun And Stop Expecting God To Do What He Has Already Given Unto Us To Do.

Look at John 10:10
10. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might haveit more abundantly.

1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

So instead of blaming God for your troubles and giving the devil the right to keep on devouring in your life.

Stand up and walk in the authority God has given you and take back your day and Trust in God's love and His Word And Fight Your Good Fight Of Faith.

One last Note...
Its the Doers of His Word that get the desired results He has Promised in His Word .
It's the doers of His Word that walk from victory to victory.

Being a doer of His word is a command and not a mere suggestion.

So instead of Expecting God to cater to your every whim and desire and blaming Him when things go wrong.

Use your Armor and Do What He Has Given Unto You To Do and Stop Allowing Your Enemy the devil, To Steal, kill and destroy.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Saying that, you have made statements that isnt you. The business of God not being in control. That is a crazy statement, and you know it.

God is NOT in total control of Everything going on in this world.

There is a lot of evil in this world.

God is in total control of Everything in Heaven.

Is God was in total control of Everything that goes on in this world then Why trust, pray, even care, after all if it happened then God said ok to it.

If the guy down the road goes into a 3 day drinking binge then runs your grand kids over and kills them....

You honestly going to believe God had something to do with it?

Do you honestly believe God gave His ok for it to happen?
After All you believe God is in TOTAL CONTROL of Everything in this world.

Friend ask your self, does it fit in..
Stealing
Killing
Destroying

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

The business of God not being in control. That is a crazy statement, and you know it.

This idea that God has a choice to either stop or allow evil, tragedy, sickness and so forth is of the DEVIL.

Who benefits Here?
Why it's our enemy the devil.
BECAUSE.....he has Christians believing God is behind this evil and He knows you won't do a thing about it after all, God is in total control and if it happened then it's His Will.

Wake Up Please!!
This thinking takes the blame from satan and puts it on God.
he gets to continue with very little effort.

Blessings to you

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Wow!!

Isa 40:26; Lift up your eyes on high And see who has created these stars, The One who leads forth their host by number, He calls them all by name; Because of the greatness of His might and the strength of His power, Not one of them is missing.

Jer 31:35; Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:
Jer 31:36; "If this fixed order departs From before Me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also will cease From being a nation before Me forever."

Luke 12:6; "Are not five sparrows sold for two cents? Yet not one of them is forgotten before God.
Luke 12:7; "Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows.

Job 38:4; "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding,
Job 38:5; Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it?
Job 38:6; "On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
Job 38:7; When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:8; "Or who enclosed the sea with doors When, bursting forth, it went out from the womb;
Job 38:9; When I made a cloud its garment And thick darkness its swaddling band,
Job 38:10; And I placed boundaries on it And set a bolt and doors,
Job 38:11; And I said, 'Thus far you shall come, but no farther; And here shall your proud waves stop'?
Job 38:12; "Have you ever in your life commanded the morning, And caused the dawn to know its place,

I would post all of Psalm 78 here. But it's rather lengthy. ( 72 verses )
But God does punish disobedience.

What is the point you are making with these scriptures?
They do not say God is in total control of Everything here in this world.

If you notice that God never did directly answer job about his big question why?

He asked job all the questions you listed.

Job would have had to answer, I don't know, have no clue, no, no, I don't know.

So if Job could not understand or know these things, how would He understand anything else?

Again......the depth of the Covenant with man and God Bound by His own Words and His Word to us is the answer you are looking for.

God put quite a bit into the hands of His People and expects them to do as He said.
He is not going to do it for us.

Blessings to you

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Nothing is out of Gods control. (I know you mean something different. Because you do know about God being in control)

Dont worry. I mess up to, getting thought to paper

People sinning is out of God's CONTROL
The evil in this world is not under God's control.

God will get involved when His People ask Him to, give Him the right.

 

[At Peace]

Error once again.
It is you that says I say that.
I say we can overcome But it's NOT INSTANT

Do you know anybody who has?
And how long did it take?
I mean, if it took twenty years, a seventy year old man would have no chance.
Or do you think it might take less time for God to be able to use you?

As it is written that that which is born of God doth not commit sin, (1 John 3:9), why does your group not believe we can be sinless from the point of our rebirth from the seed of God?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Do you know anybody who has?
And how long did it take?
I mean, if it took twenty years, a seventy year old man would have no chance.
Or do you think it might take less time for God to be able to use you?

Now you are just twisting and playing here.

As it is written that that which is born of God doth not commit sin, (1 John 3:9), why does your group not believe we can be sinless from the point of our rebirth from the seed of God?

My group?
Sir you read scripture like any unsaved person would, point value with modern day human understanding.

I do not care sir how much you harp on this - that you were made perfect and never ever sinned again and don't have to watch your flesh and you only think God thoughts -

That's not the way it works.
You read a Scripture and yes it's true so you then put it on and claim instant perfection.

No offense meant here sir, but you can paint a big red s on your chest and put on a cape - but your still not super man.

What does a seed do?
First it must take root
Then it begins to grow up
Then eventually begins to produce fruit.

Everything about God and His kingdom has to do with seed time and harvest time.

Getting born again is no different.
Except you claim....seed was planted and you instantly by-pass God's Way and you became the perfected perfect Christian.

You are only fooling your self.
Not even Paul had this instant perfection of yours.

Blessings to you

 

[At Peace]

Sir you read scripture like any unsaved person would, point value with modern day human understanding.
I do not care sir how much you harp on this - that you were made perfect and never ever sinned again and don't have to watch your flesh and you only think God thoughts -

I do have to "watch my flesh", in order to keep it dead. (Rom 8:13, Col 3:5)

That's not the way it works.
You read a Scripture and yes it's true so you then put it on and claim instant perfection.

It is more than one "true" scripture that points to this conclusion.
John 8:32-34 is a good start for you.

No offense meant here sir, but you can paint a big red s on your chest and put on a cape - but your still not super man.

All things to the glory of God...who can do anything.

What does a seed do?
First it must take root
Then it begins to grow up
Then eventually begins to produce fruit.

A seed will bring forth after its own kind.
That which is re- born of God will bring forth after itself, and not after the now dead seed of Adam.

Everything about God and His kingdom has to do with seed time and harvest time.
Getting born again is no different.
Except you claim....seed was planted and you instantly by-pass God's Way and you became the perfected perfect Christian.

Can a grape vine bring forth figs?
Neither can the seed of God bring forth wickedness.

You are only fooling your self.
Not even Paul had this instant perfection of yours.

He must have been crazy then to write..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

It is written..."So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."(Rom 8:8)
As you have yet to realize a life that pleases God, and state that you won't till you "grow" some more, it must be then, that you are still in the flesh.
Fortunately for you, that flesh can be crucified and buried, and you can be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-7)
Reborn of perfect seed that cannot bring forth sin. (1 John 3:9)
I exhort you to "turn from" all sin, and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins.
Do that, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

 

[Bill]

No!!
Your understanding is using common self understanding AND NOT looking further then your nose.

Scripture says fear of the Lord.
It is the same use of fear
REVERENCE RESPECT HUMBLING

I went back a few pages to understand this, and i know im missing something. Is this arguement on the premiss that Jesus experienced fear. Because if this is the arguement. In the scripture when Jesus is praying "Father, if it were possible, let this cup pass" it says he sweat blood.

There have been cases where people have been so terrified,, that drops of blood came from thier sweat

 

[Christ4Ever]

I went back a few pages to understand this, and i know im missing something. Is this arguement on the premiss that Jesus experienced fear. Because if this is the arguement. In the scripture when Jesus is praying "Father, if it were possible, let this cup pass" it says he sweat blood.

There have been cases where people have been so terrified,, that drops of blood came from thier sweat

Hello Bill,
I don't believe that Jesus felt fear. Anxiety for the stressful situation He knew that was about to happen which was easily the precursor for a rare condition that is called Hematidrosis. I found a nice article that looks at Luke's wording for the event in question. Hope you find it helpful.

Hematidrosis: Did Jesus Sweat Blood?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[At Peace]

Hello Bill,
I don't believe that Jesus felt fear. Anxiety for the stressful situation He knew that was about to happen which was easily the precursor for a rare condition that is called Hematidrosis. I found a nice article that looks at Luke's wording for the event in question. Hope you find it helpful.

Hematidrosis: Did Jesus Sweat Blood?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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If YOUR belief is true, then Heb 5:7 is wrong.
I'll stick to the bible.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I went back a few pages to understand this, and i know im missing something. Is this arguement on the premiss that Jesus experienced fear. Because if this is the arguement. In the scripture when Jesus is praying "Father, if it were possible, let this cup pass" it says he sweat blood.

There have been cases where people have been so terrified,, that drops of blood came from thier sweat

If YOUR belief is true, then Heb 5:7 is wrong.
I'll stick to the bible.

Luke 22:44 kjv
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Hebrews 5:7 Nlt.
While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for God.

Niv.
During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

Cjb
During Yeshua's life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions, crying aloud and shedding tears, to the One who had the power to deliver him from death; and he was heard because of his godliness.

Nothing personal but being stuck in one translation such as the kjv can limit your understanding just as much as taking words from the Bible and applying today's meanings.

Blessings

 

[Christ4Ever]

If YOUR belief is true, then Heb 5:7 is wrong.
I'll stick to the bible.

Hello At Peace,
I don’t know Brother if you had looked at the Greek wording used in Heb 5:7 for fear and its other/different uses of this word throughout Scripture. In certain ways they are interchangeable, but within the whole of Scripture one can see the differences.

Hebrews 5:7 - Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Strongs G2124 - eulabeia

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Strongs 5399 - phobeō

Reverential fear was directed to God, and not the cause of the blood loss. Your belief that it was fear (General), I would counter with that it was anxiety coming from knowing what was to come. This and not fear of God being the cause of the blood loss. This was the reason I shared with Brother Bill the article.
With that being said, can I assume that when you read the article that you concluded that even though Luke was a physician and the usage of words in the Greek by him, did serve to convey a situation whereby Christ was anxious which caused the sweating of blood, appeared to contradict Scripture and so was poor exegesis on the part of the writer?

I attempt when reading Scripture to also have a look at the men God chose to write Scripture, because I truly believe this was done with a purpose. Each was unique and also knowledgeable in areas that as writers made them different from each other. Life experiences if you will. Paul was a tent maker, but in training a Legal Scholar few could compare with. Luke was a Physician by profession and an Historian in his writings, though currently the World refuses to acknowledge him as such, though willing to use what he has written for such purposes of study!

I truly believe (like using that phrase J) “Scripturally” that Jesus feared, but not a fear of man and what they could do to Him, but rather a fear of God. As I stated before, fear of God the Father is not what I believe caused Him to sweat blood, but rather anxiousness for the events that He shortly was going to experience physically that no other had and I believe for different reasons could go through.

I hope this explains a little my thought processes on the reason for our Lord sweating blood. Not to contradict scripture that you have rightly shown, but rather to keep in context to the whole of it.

With the Love of Christ Jesus and that we might be At Peace.
YBIC
Nick
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[Dave M]

Hello At Peace,
I don’t know Brother if you had looked at the Greek wording used in Heb 5:7 for fear and its other/different uses of this word throughout Scripture. In certain ways they are interchangeable, but within the whole of Scripture one can see the differences.

Hebrews 5:7 - Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Strongs G2124 - eulabeia

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Strongs 5399 - phobeō

Reverential fear was directed to God, and not the cause of the blood loss. Your belief that it was fear (General), I would counter with that it was anxiety coming from knowing what was to come. This and not fear of God being the cause of the blood loss. This was the reason I shared with Brother Bill the article.
With that being said, can I assume that when you read the article that you concluded that even though Luke was a physician and the usage of words in the Greek by him, did serve to convey a situation whereby Christ was anxious which caused the sweating of blood, appeared to contradict Scripture and so was poor exegesis on the part of the writer?

I attempt when reading Scripture to also have a look at the men God chose to write Scripture, because I truly believe this was done with a purpose. Each was unique and also knowledgeable in areas that as writers made them different from each other. Life experiences if you will. Paul was a tent maker, but in training a Legal Scholar few could compare with. Luke was a Physician by profession and an Historian in his writings, though currently the World refuses to acknowledge him as such, though willing to use what he has written for such purposes of study!

I truly believe (like using that phrase J) “Scripturally” that Jesus feared, but not a fear of man and what they could do to Him, but rather a fear of God. As I stated before, fear of God the Father is not what I believe caused Him to sweat blood, but rather anxiousness for the events that He shortly was going to experience physically that no other had and I believe for different reasons could go through.

I hope this explains a little my thought processes on the reason for our Lord sweating blood. Not to contradict scripture that you have rightly shown, but rather to keep in context to the whole of it.

With the Love of Christ Jesus and that we might be At Peace.
YBIC
Nick
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Now that kind of reply is how you disagree with someone in a loving kind respectful way or should I say biblical !! great post Nick

 

[Bill]

Hello At Peace,
I don’t know Brother if you had looked at the Greek wording used in Heb 5:7 for fear and its other/different uses of this word throughout Scripture. In certain ways they are interchangeable, but within the whole of Scripture one can see the differences.

Hebrews 5:7 - Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Strongs G2124 - eulabeia

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Strongs 5399 - phobeō

Reverential fear was directed to God, and not the cause of the blood loss. Your belief that it was fear (General), I would counter with that it was anxiety coming from knowing what was to come. This and not fear of God being the cause of the blood loss. This was the reason I shared with Brother Bill the article.
With that being said, can I assume that when you read the article that you concluded that even though Luke was a physician and the usage of words in the Greek by him, did serve to convey a situation whereby Christ was anxious which caused the sweating of blood, appeared to contradict Scripture and so was poor exegesis on the part of the writer?

I attempt when reading Scripture to also have a look at the men God chose to write Scripture, because I truly believe this was done with a purpose. Each was unique and also knowledgeable in areas that as writers made them different from each other. Life experiences if you will. Paul was a tent maker, but in training a Legal Scholar few could compare with. Luke was a Physician by profession and an Historian in his writings, though currently the World refuses to acknowledge him as such, though willing to use what he has written for such purposes of study!

I truly believe (like using that phrase J) “Scripturally” that Jesus feared, but not a fear of man and what they could do to Him, but rather a fear of God. As I stated before, fear of God the Father is not what I believe caused Him to sweat blood, but rather anxiousness for the events that He shortly was going to experience physically that no other had and I believe for different reasons could go through.

I hope this explains a little my thought processes on the reason for our Lord sweating blood. Not to contradict scripture that you have rightly shown, but rather to keep in context to the whole of it.

With the Love of Christ Jesus and that we might be At Peace.
YBIC
Nick
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That is an intersting way to think about the blood. I

I do teach about God not only being the author of scripture but orchestrating its set up. That in itself can be a post here.

Your words are well written. Thank you

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Nick Vujicic is an Australian man who was born without arms and legs.
He was saved at 15 and is now an evangelist and motivational speaker

He applies John 9:3 to his life:

Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

 

[Curtis]

John 9:1-41
As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

It was not this man nor his parents who sinned that caused this man to be born blind, but is was because of sin that he was! If there was no sin in the world there would be no sickness. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, and sickness is one of them.

 

[Curtis]

Jim could you provide scripture for this line of reasoning ?

it hard to understand what you are saying sometimes. God controls everything, but allows things to happen because of our choices this I would agree with. But nothing is out of Gods control at anytime. Perhaps we are saying the same thing in a different way?

Romans 11:33-36
Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! “For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?” “Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?” For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

1Jn 5:19 We know that we are children of God. We know that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. (NiRV)

If God was in control of everything, then why would we need faith for anything?