As it turns out my faith was never genuine. I thought it was, but my actions show otherwise. I don't want any prayer from anyone, though I i post this here because this is where I did see many a good person help another. A community I was part of even for a short time. I know the truth as I have seen it with my own eyes, but I detest what Christianity does to human beings. I still love you all and I will miss you all dearly. This is my final farewell and I shall miss you all, but I am nothing more than an apostate. You all know what should be done with the likes of me, and you know I share in this knowledge with you. I will miss you all, and I am sorry. I never counted the cost as the parable in Luke said I should. The cost was too high and I refuse to pay it any longer. Good bye my friends.
Goodbye my previous brothers and sisters
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Hi dear brother
I am sorry to hear you think this way. I do not understand quite what you are saying here. I will need to look up the word apostate.
You are such a new believer only coming to invite Jesus into your heart late last year. You have so much to learn and it takes time to grow and develop your faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes from the Word.
Remember the Bible where Paul says the things he wants to do, he does not do and the things he does not want to do he finds himself doing them
Jesus
you so very much.
Look at how He died to save you and give you eternal life. Do not throw it all away just because you have doubts about your faith.
The enemy loves to get people to walk away from God and go back into his kingdom.
I pray that you will reconsider this idea.
None of us are perfect and never will be while we live on this earth.
We will really miss you too. Please reconsider your decision.
You talk about counting the cost. What Jesus did for us was so amazing. Look at the cost and how he was treated before he died for you.
God bless you dear brother :rainbow:
I am sorry to hear you think this way. I do not understand quite what you are saying here. I will need to look up the word apostate.
You are such a new believer only coming to invite Jesus into your heart late last year. You have so much to learn and it takes time to grow and develop your faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes from the Word.
Remember the Bible where Paul says the things he wants to do, he does not do and the things he does not want to do he finds himself doing them
Jesus
you so very much. Look at how He died to save you and give you eternal life. Do not throw it all away just because you have doubts about your faith.
The enemy loves to get people to walk away from God and go back into his kingdom.
I pray that you will reconsider this idea.
None of us are perfect and never will be while we live on this earth.
We will really miss you too. Please reconsider your decision.
You talk about counting the cost. What Jesus did for us was so amazing. Look at the cost and how he was treated before he died for you.
God bless you dear brother
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Being a young Christian is very tough, you just don't get that support I feel that you need. Personally, I feel you need a lot of added support in the first say 3 years of being a young Christian. I have seen this so much so in the last few weeks. I have been to Church, I just don't feel the real love there that Christians should have for others. I spoke to my husband about this only this week, I really do hope that when I am more mature and see a younger Christian coming along, I will spend and encourage that person a great deal. We as Christians need to be there for each other, I mean personally in the flesh. We need to give up our own time, to be with that younger Christians. I just don't see this happening out there.
Most churches these days, they just want to fob you off into bible college, I feel that you need more of a personal touch, we are people with feelings and we need nurturing and for someone to just give us a hug or hold our hand from time to time. Letting go of all the bad things that we did in the past is extremely hurtful. We need someone to just hug us occasionally. Maybe I went to the wrong church I just don't know and had a bad experience.
jculver I have sent you a PM, please answer it and talk to me. I will help you. I have been exactly where you are today, this is the devil telling you these things. Get your bible out and fight. Play some Christian music too. sorry if that sounds harse, but I am saying this out of love.
God bless you jculver and please fight.
Most churches these days, they just want to fob you off into bible college, I feel that you need more of a personal touch, we are people with feelings and we need nurturing and for someone to just give us a hug or hold our hand from time to time. Letting go of all the bad things that we did in the past is extremely hurtful. We need someone to just hug us occasionally. Maybe I went to the wrong church I just don't know and had a bad experience.
jculver I have sent you a PM, please answer it and talk to me. I will help you. I have been exactly where you are today, this is the devil telling you these things. Get your bible out and fight. Play some Christian music too. sorry if that sounds harse, but I am saying this out of love.
God bless you jculver and please fight.
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Dear sister w.o.l. I understand what you are saying. I still feel the need for hugs even now.
Nurturing should be done by the church and they should be given help to set them free from the past. I had counselling at the place i used to worship. They were very helpful times to set me free and I pray that all new believers will be able to find this support and help that they so badly need.
He that is in us is greater than he that is in the world.
God bless :rainbow: :rose:
Nurturing should be done by the church and they should be given help to set them free from the past. I had counselling at the place i used to worship. They were very helpful times to set me free and I pray that all new believers will be able to find this support and help that they so badly need.
He that is in us is greater than he that is in the world.
God bless
:rainbow: :rose:
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jculver, you may be saying goodbye to us right now, but we're not saying goodbye to you. You're in my prayers. I love you, brother. You are a saved man, and God will never forsake you.
Please allow God to heal you of whatever has happened, and allow us here at talkJesus to love on you. Brother, I care about you and I'm praying for you.
I saw Jesus in you many times previously. You can't hide Jesus. He's still there in your heart, jculver. Lay down your anger towards God and let Him heal you.
In Christ,
Dreamer
Please allow God to heal you of whatever has happened, and allow us here at talkJesus to love on you. Brother, I care about you and I'm praying for you.
I saw Jesus in you many times previously. You can't hide Jesus. He's still there in your heart, jculver. Lay down your anger towards God and let Him heal you.
In Christ,
Dreamer
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Dreamer has said it very elegantly.
I admire your honesty and courage in posting this message, and am really saddened to hear what you say.
I would love to post a whole bunch of Bible verses and encouragements for you to change your mind, but I am not sure that is what you need right now.
It may be goodbye for now, but please be assured that if you ever decide to reconsider and make your way back to God there is a big, big welcome waiting for you.
May you know peace.
I admire your honesty and courage in posting this message, and am really saddened to hear what you say.
I would love to post a whole bunch of Bible verses and encouragements for you to change your mind, but I am not sure that is what you need right now.
It may be goodbye for now, but please be assured that if you ever decide to reconsider and make your way back to God there is a big, big welcome waiting for you.
May you know peace.
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i pray to our lord bless you my brother and give to you al who is good for your spirit and for the glory tyo our lord jesus christ our loord all our life my brother. our lord bless you my brother . your brother aziz my brother
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If you are reading this brother Jculver, I'd like to speak to you in the simplest manner there is, try to take what I say, without really thinking, don't think about my words, rather, just read them, let them enter your mind and work with these words found in the Bible.
You are questioning your salvation and your faith, based on that which we call sin, there is no comparison between sin and faith.
I am not saying you are a sinner, but you have sinned, you may be continuing to do so, only you and God knows.
The simplest of words is needed dear brother, the simplest understanding.
John 3:16
Romans 10
What is a Christian? What makes me a Christian?
I believe in Jesus, just like you. I believe He is alive, seated in Heaven.
I believe He died on the cross for me when He was on earth,
I believe His death was the only sacrifice that was ever needed to bring man close to God again.
Brother, I have spoken to you about this on a previous occassion, but I don't think I've expressed it in this way.
Sometimes we take the Word of God, His Words. We study them, remember them, study them some more then we question ourselves and our lives and we measure it against His Words. The Bible tells us to do that, but should we do it to our own demise?
No, we have to have simple faith, simple understanding and simply living by the Word of God.
Take John 3:16 and Romans 10, don't think about it, just do it. Having faith can not be calculated, it can't be measured and thought out.
Faith has no measure dear brother. Faith is Faith.
When Lord Jesus said we could move a mountain by faith, He did not say we had to have faith like the mountain, no, we have to have simple faith.
I have faith in God, I have faith in Father and I ask Father to discipline you, so much, I ask Him to take you and shape you, form you and guide you, I ask Him to make you an example of what He wants in this world.
I believe it will happen, I have faith.
I am praying for you and I will continue to do so, even though you said you don't want prayers.
The fact remains, you are a Christian, you believe in the Son of God, that makes you a Christian. The road, that hurt and pain, those sacrifices to live for Jesus keeps you astrayed from knowing that you have Salvation, through Jesus Christ, drawn closer by Father, sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Just know, in peaceful surrender to God, that you are His.
God bless you brother
Much love
teraside
You are questioning your salvation and your faith, based on that which we call sin, there is no comparison between sin and faith.
I am not saying you are a sinner, but you have sinned, you may be continuing to do so, only you and God knows.
The simplest of words is needed dear brother, the simplest understanding.
John 3:16
Romans 10
What is a Christian? What makes me a Christian?
I believe in Jesus, just like you. I believe He is alive, seated in Heaven.
I believe He died on the cross for me when He was on earth,
I believe His death was the only sacrifice that was ever needed to bring man close to God again.
Brother, I have spoken to you about this on a previous occassion, but I don't think I've expressed it in this way.
Sometimes we take the Word of God, His Words. We study them, remember them, study them some more then we question ourselves and our lives and we measure it against His Words. The Bible tells us to do that, but should we do it to our own demise?
No, we have to have simple faith, simple understanding and simply living by the Word of God.
Take John 3:16 and Romans 10, don't think about it, just do it. Having faith can not be calculated, it can't be measured and thought out.
Faith has no measure dear brother. Faith is Faith.
When Lord Jesus said we could move a mountain by faith, He did not say we had to have faith like the mountain, no, we have to have simple faith.
I have faith in God, I have faith in Father and I ask Father to discipline you, so much, I ask Him to take you and shape you, form you and guide you, I ask Him to make you an example of what He wants in this world.
I believe it will happen, I have faith.
I am praying for you and I will continue to do so, even though you said you don't want prayers.
The fact remains, you are a Christian, you believe in the Son of God, that makes you a Christian. The road, that hurt and pain, those sacrifices to live for Jesus keeps you astrayed from knowing that you have Salvation, through Jesus Christ, drawn closer by Father, sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Just know, in peaceful surrender to God, that you are His.
God bless you brother
Much love
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I'm sorry you feel this way. I will pray that GOD will convict you and guide you back to Truth in Jesus Christ. How does one throw away eternity of bliss with Jesus over current "vapor of life" circumstances or unwillingness to carry the cross and follow Jesus? I do not know. I do not know what your circumstances are or your issues, but I know one thing: NOTHING is worth walking away from Jesus, especially after He has already shown you truth and Himself.
I hope you will consider prayer and patience. GOD does not love you less than anyone else who continues to walk with GOD.
I'm not sure where this is coming from
...but I am a Christian and I love being one. I know many here on this board are obviously Christians who love Jesus too. Why are you walking away from your Maker?
The food in your mouth is His. The money is your pocket is His. The roof of your head is His. The friends and family you have are from Him. Everything you love and enjoy are gifts from Him.
I encourage you to be courageous and post your reasons why you choose to walk away from Jesus instead of just saying goodbye.
I hope you will consider prayer and patience. GOD does not love you less than anyone else who continues to walk with GOD.
I'm not sure where this is coming from
...but I am a Christian and I love being one. I know many here on this board are obviously Christians who love Jesus too. Why are you walking away from your Maker?
The food in your mouth is His. The money is your pocket is His. The roof of your head is His. The friends and family you have are from Him. Everything you love and enjoy are gifts from Him.
I encourage you to be courageous and post your reasons why you choose to walk away from Jesus instead of just saying goodbye.
Please Don't Give Up
jculver, it sure seems like you are going through some rough times. As Christians we all have our ups and downs. Seems that you have met some folks
that have tainted your view on Christianity. Please don't walk away from the Lord. You need Him. Listen to the words of wisdom that your family here at Talk Jesus has to say. In scripture, it often depicts a loved one of God, falling away and praying to come back to the Lord. Your difficulties won't get any better if you turn from God. You will end up with an empty heart and more and more troubles heaped on your head. God loves you.
Deut. 31:20
When I have brought them into the land flowing with milk and honey, the land I promised on oath to their forefathers, and when they eat their fill and thrive, they will turn to other gods and worship them, rejecting me and breaking my covenant.
Please don't reject the Lord. He has been rejected way too much already and He does anger at being rejected.
Hosea 8:3
Israel has rejected the good;The enemy will pursue him.
Jesus was rejected because He was good. Throughout His rejection He maintained His love for His Father and His sincere love for folks like us jculver.
Luke 17:25
" [Matt 16:21; Luke 9:22] But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
Christ did this for us jculver. Please love and honor Him in return. He doesn't want you to be burdened, He wants to lift the burdens from you. God has always been that way, always loving us through our rejection of Him. Here is our Lord summed up.
Exodus 34:6
And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,
Joel 2:13
Rend your heart and not your garments. Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love, and he relents from sending calamity.
All of us that have been saved by the Graciousness of Lord Jesus Christ and the Beautiful Compassion of our Father, are so in love with the Lord and we know that salvation comes from Lord Jesus Christ
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [ Or his only begotten Son] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
If your heart and your head are worn out, don't take it out on God, take it to God. Don't disown in yourself, the Love of Jesus Christ. If the world has taken it's toll on you, don't be weary, don't give up.
Isaiah 40:29
He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak.
Instead of giving up jculver, give in to Him and rest your worries in Him. He is so able to carry your burdens.
Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.
And finally jculver, thank the Lord for loving you. He dealt with sinful nature all the time and didn't grow weary of caring for the sinners that He loved so much. Jesus loved people, lots and lots of people and even when He was suffering while He was being crucified, He called upon the Father to forgive us for not believing in Him, from turning from the truth. He was talking about You too jculver and He is probably talking to His Father about you right now, with the words of His love, in His heart.
Luke 23:34
Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." [ Some early manuscripts do not have this sentence.] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
You are already forgiven if you allow Christ back into your heart. He will take you back with joy in His heart.
# Psalm 30:11
You turned my wailing into dancing; you removed my sackcloth and clothed me with joy,
Psalm 51:12
Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.
jculver, the Lord's Word was meant to share. Receive His love with an open heart. Do not let your heart grow cold.
John 15
"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command. 15I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 17This is my command: Love each other.
Hoping you come back to Christ jculver. Jesus is right now, rounding up the sheep. Listen closely and you will hear Him calling.
Amenixie:lightning :rainbow:
jculver, it sure seems like you are going through some rough times. As Christians we all have our ups and downs. Seems that you have met some folks
that have tainted your view on Christianity. Please don't walk away from the Lord. You need Him. Listen to the words of wisdom that your family here at Talk Jesus has to say. In scripture, it often depicts a loved one of God, falling away and praying to come back to the Lord. Your difficulties won't get any better if you turn from God. You will end up with an empty heart and more and more troubles heaped on your head. God loves you.
Deut. 31:20
When I have brought them into the land flowing with milk and honey, the land I promised on oath to their forefathers, and when they eat their fill and thrive, they will turn to other gods and worship them, rejecting me and breaking my covenant.
Please don't reject the Lord. He has been rejected way too much already and He does anger at being rejected.
Hosea 8:3
Israel has rejected the good;The enemy will pursue him.
Jesus was rejected because He was good. Throughout His rejection He maintained His love for His Father and His sincere love for folks like us jculver.
Luke 17:25
" [Matt 16:21; Luke 9:22] But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
Christ did this for us jculver. Please love and honor Him in return. He doesn't want you to be burdened, He wants to lift the burdens from you. God has always been that way, always loving us through our rejection of Him. Here is our Lord summed up.
Exodus 34:6
And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,
Joel 2:13
Rend your heart and not your garments. Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love, and he relents from sending calamity.
All of us that have been saved by the Graciousness of Lord Jesus Christ and the Beautiful Compassion of our Father, are so in love with the Lord and we know that salvation comes from Lord Jesus Christ
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [ Or his only begotten Son] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
If your heart and your head are worn out, don't take it out on God, take it to God. Don't disown in yourself, the Love of Jesus Christ. If the world has taken it's toll on you, don't be weary, don't give up.
Isaiah 40:29
He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak.
Instead of giving up jculver, give in to Him and rest your worries in Him. He is so able to carry your burdens.
Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.
And finally jculver, thank the Lord for loving you. He dealt with sinful nature all the time and didn't grow weary of caring for the sinners that He loved so much. Jesus loved people, lots and lots of people and even when He was suffering while He was being crucified, He called upon the Father to forgive us for not believing in Him, from turning from the truth. He was talking about You too jculver and He is probably talking to His Father about you right now, with the words of His love, in His heart.
Luke 23:34
Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." [ Some early manuscripts do not have this sentence.] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
You are already forgiven if you allow Christ back into your heart. He will take you back with joy in His heart.
# Psalm 30:11
You turned my wailing into dancing; you removed my sackcloth and clothed me with joy,
Psalm 51:12
Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.
jculver, the Lord's Word was meant to share. Receive His love with an open heart. Do not let your heart grow cold.
John 15
"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command. 15I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 17This is my command: Love each other.
Hoping you come back to Christ jculver. Jesus is right now, rounding up the sheep. Listen closely and you will hear Him calling.
Amen
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Please rethink over your decision Jculver, because it is hard, for each and every one of us, but just soldier on and defeat the evil one when being attacked.
This is what a place like this is for, so that we have a loving place to go too for some kind words of encouragement, which we all need. We are here to help you, to uplift you in getting you out of those dark pits. We are here to help you get back on the right road, which is Jesus' road, whom will lead you back to the Father. God works through all of us and the blessings and comforting words from each and every believer here, has come from God to give you that message of encouragement.
We all know the flesh is weak and the spirit is strong. God knows your struggles, He does not hate you for your weaknesses, He loves you and wants to help you.
God bless you and be strong.
This is what a place like this is for, so that we have a loving place to go too for some kind words of encouragement, which we all need. We are here to help you, to uplift you in getting you out of those dark pits. We are here to help you get back on the right road, which is Jesus' road, whom will lead you back to the Father. God works through all of us and the blessings and comforting words from each and every believer here, has come from God to give you that message of encouragement.
We all know the flesh is weak and the spirit is strong. God knows your struggles, He does not hate you for your weaknesses, He loves you and wants to help you.
God bless you and be strong.
I don't really know what to say. I really did just want to say goodbye. I do love you all, your well being is important to me.
It just basically comes down to me disagreeing with God. It sounds ridiculous doesn't it? I don't doubt his power, I don't doubt who he is, but knowing that is what makes everything much more frustrating.
This thing called creation is an abomination in my eyes. Have you ever given CPR to an infant who has been dead for over an hour? Her pretty little blue face staring back at you lifelessly and empty eyed. Her parents crying. You can tell them God redeemed their child all you want. What good does that do them? Ever pulled a cat (maybe a puppy) corpse out of a house fire? It's disgusting. They look like bacon or something worse. What can you tell their previous owner? Little mittens is in heaven? Honestly she probably isn't. It was an innocent little guy burned alive, suffered terribly in it's final moments of existence. What do you tell a girl when both of her parents are dead and she is just 16? It was just God's will that your parents be killed and you be left alone?
Sure you can say "God has nothing to do with these things", but bottom line he could prevent them, and doesn't. If you disagree then you doubt the absolute sovereignty of God and we are not on the same page. I know he absolutely all powerful, and in the end he will triumph, I never doubted it for a second. But, why would I want to spend an eternity with him? I don't fear hell, I don't fear death, I fear THAT eternity. An eternity with the person who sits back, having the power to stop these horrible things, and does not. Who am I o' man to question God? I don't question him, in my heart I just disagree that these things should for any reason be allowed to happen. If my actions are different than my heart, then I am just liar. God knows my heart which is why I don't attempt to hide it.
I have heard answers to my query, but they are all very hollow. They do nothing to subside these kinds of images. They do nothing to bring back these peoples loved ones, they do nothing to bring the person I loved most in my life, taken from me. God abandoned me when he took this person. I never abandoned him, how could I wen he already left? After 6 of the longest months of my life serving him in every possible way I could it apparently was just not good enough. Frankly I don't care anymore I don't want it to be good enough. I don't think I ever loved God, it was just fear really. Honestly I think once you hit a certain point and you see how awful things can be for people, you realize hell really can not be all that much worse. Sure the physical pain might be unimaginable, but there is nothing quite like the pain of loving something so dearly and having it ripped away, or worse, knowing it suffered when it died.
I'm interested and will read any retort if you care to post one, but I just don't think there is anything anyone could ever say to change my opinion on creation. It should have never happened. Sure there are good things, but they could never out weigh the bad. The absolutely disgusting things that happen and are irreversible. If I had a choice, I think I would share Judas' wish to have never been born. Heaven is supposed to be the end of all of that I know, but why did it have to happen at all? God got bored? I mean really what is it that would make any of this OK to happen?
My suffering is minimal. I'm not saying it isn't, but there are people out there who suffer unimaginable torment. When God could stop it, and doesn't, to me that is just logically the equivalent of doing it himself.
It just basically comes down to me disagreeing with God. It sounds ridiculous doesn't it? I don't doubt his power, I don't doubt who he is, but knowing that is what makes everything much more frustrating.
This thing called creation is an abomination in my eyes. Have you ever given CPR to an infant who has been dead for over an hour? Her pretty little blue face staring back at you lifelessly and empty eyed. Her parents crying. You can tell them God redeemed their child all you want. What good does that do them? Ever pulled a cat (maybe a puppy) corpse out of a house fire? It's disgusting. They look like bacon or something worse. What can you tell their previous owner? Little mittens is in heaven? Honestly she probably isn't. It was an innocent little guy burned alive, suffered terribly in it's final moments of existence. What do you tell a girl when both of her parents are dead and she is just 16? It was just God's will that your parents be killed and you be left alone?
Sure you can say "God has nothing to do with these things", but bottom line he could prevent them, and doesn't. If you disagree then you doubt the absolute sovereignty of God and we are not on the same page. I know he absolutely all powerful, and in the end he will triumph, I never doubted it for a second. But, why would I want to spend an eternity with him? I don't fear hell, I don't fear death, I fear THAT eternity. An eternity with the person who sits back, having the power to stop these horrible things, and does not. Who am I o' man to question God? I don't question him, in my heart I just disagree that these things should for any reason be allowed to happen. If my actions are different than my heart, then I am just liar. God knows my heart which is why I don't attempt to hide it.
I have heard answers to my query, but they are all very hollow. They do nothing to subside these kinds of images. They do nothing to bring back these peoples loved ones, they do nothing to bring the person I loved most in my life, taken from me. God abandoned me when he took this person. I never abandoned him, how could I wen he already left? After 6 of the longest months of my life serving him in every possible way I could it apparently was just not good enough. Frankly I don't care anymore I don't want it to be good enough. I don't think I ever loved God, it was just fear really. Honestly I think once you hit a certain point and you see how awful things can be for people, you realize hell really can not be all that much worse. Sure the physical pain might be unimaginable, but there is nothing quite like the pain of loving something so dearly and having it ripped away, or worse, knowing it suffered when it died.
I'm interested and will read any retort if you care to post one, but I just don't think there is anything anyone could ever say to change my opinion on creation. It should have never happened. Sure there are good things, but they could never out weigh the bad. The absolutely disgusting things that happen and are irreversible. If I had a choice, I think I would share Judas' wish to have never been born. Heaven is supposed to be the end of all of that I know, but why did it have to happen at all? God got bored? I mean really what is it that would make any of this OK to happen?
My suffering is minimal. I'm not saying it isn't, but there are people out there who suffer unimaginable torment. When God could stop it, and doesn't, to me that is just logically the equivalent of doing it himself.
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GOD is Sovereign. Who [created] could dare speak up to Him the way you have done now? Are you all wise? No. Are we? No. Does GOD help people if they do not call out to Him?
Romans 9:20-22
20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Psalm 91:15
He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him;I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him.
Psalm 50:15
Call upon Me in the day of trouble;I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me.”
Read this:
http://www.talkjesus.com/get-saved-now/9749-how-god-changes-us.html
How is it that you do not fear hell? You do not fear burning in fire for eternity? What has gone through your mind brother?
Admitting you are not all wise and GOD is all powerful, you continue to question Him and doubt Him. The baby that died was His creation, who are you to question Him or blame Him for not "preventing" the death? Again, are you all wise to question Him?
He could also have prevented you from speaking against Him here in this thread. He also could have prevented you from sinning all your life. He also could have prevented you from eating His fruits that He gave you and your family. He also could have prevented ever blessing you've ever received.
Romans 9:20-22
20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Psalm 91:15
He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him;I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him.
Psalm 50:15
Call upon Me in the day of trouble;I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me.”
Read this:
http://www.talkjesus.com/get-saved-now/9749-how-god-changes-us.html
How is it that you do not fear hell? You do not fear burning in fire for eternity? What has gone through your mind brother?
Admitting you are not all wise and GOD is all powerful, you continue to question Him and doubt Him. The baby that died was His creation, who are you to question Him or blame Him for not "preventing" the death? Again, are you all wise to question Him?
He could also have prevented you from speaking against Him here in this thread. He also could have prevented you from sinning all your life. He also could have prevented you from eating His fruits that He gave you and your family. He also could have prevented ever blessing you've ever received.
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This is no coincidence brother, a member [Word of Life] posted this devotional just a moment ago:
Please read it
http://www.talkjesus.com/daily-devotionals/11312-dont-stop-believing.html
Please read it
http://www.talkjesus.com/daily-devotionals/11312-dont-stop-believing.html
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Thank you for coming back and speaking to us again.
By your reply I can see you are hurting jculver. You can either go through the rest of your life being angry with God or you allow Him into your heart so that He can heal you through your suffering, pain and loss.
There are some things in life, which we don't understand and why they happen to people and why we feel God doesn’t help us. Our loved ones being taken away from us, is an extremely hard one to except and deal with. Not having been in that situation, I really can't comprehend what you are going through, but I can offer words of support to you when you are feeling down.
I am sure you have read the book of Job, even if you have I would recommend you reading it again, mediating on every word. This book really stands hard with me when I go through times of doubt, trials and I often remember that teaching which I had over a year ago.
I am going to tell you a brief story, this is a relative of my husbands. It’s about a young boy who was around 11 years of age.
The father has been a devout Christian since he himself was a young boy. He accepted Jesus into his life and was baptized when was only a teenager. He met and married a lovely lady and they had 2 children everything was perfect. Then the father got cancer, he went through a terrible battle, but with God by his side He pulled him through. Not long afterwards, his young son of around 11, decided he also wanted Jesus in his heart and for Jesus to be his saviour and he got baptized. It wasn't long after he was baptized that the family was driving back home one night, the young boy, wanted to relieve himself and he asked his father to stop the car so he could relieve himself. Both parent agreed. As the young boy was getting out the car, he didn't see the lorry which was hurtling down the road with a trailer on the back. The trailer some how detached itself from the lorry and hurled into the young boy, the boy died instantly. This was witnessed by both of the parents.
I sat and thought about this story and discussed it with my husband. We all ask questions why these things happen, to such young children whom are starting out in life. He was a lovely boy, born into a Christian family and accepted God into his life. And the only answer I could come up with, maybe this little boy could have grown up and could have been a total looser and decided to have gone down satan's road instead of choosing Jesus' way, God wanted that young boy at that time, before satan could get his nasty hands on him. That was the only answer I could come up with. I see it, that God was sparing the boys parents for any future things that could have happened. And one day, they will see their young son again, when they go to heaven and in eternity.
Recently we went out one Sunday and we had dinner with the parents and their daughter. I could see the pain in both the parents eyes, as this accident only happened just over year ago. But they are still standing strong in there faith, they go too church every Sunday morning and in the evening too. When I looked into that man eyes, I felt his pain in my heart, it was hard for him, especially when you look around the family restaurant and you see other young boys enjoying themselves with their parents. But what I also saw, he still loves God and still believes in God.
I fully believe, it's God who see's him through each day giving him the strenght to face each day.
We don't really know why these things happen, but one day Jesus will tell us. That person you have lossed is waiting for you, so is Jesus.
Please take care jculver, we are here to help you.
God bless.
By your reply I can see you are hurting jculver. You can either go through the rest of your life being angry with God or you allow Him into your heart so that He can heal you through your suffering, pain and loss.
There are some things in life, which we don't understand and why they happen to people and why we feel God doesn’t help us. Our loved ones being taken away from us, is an extremely hard one to except and deal with. Not having been in that situation, I really can't comprehend what you are going through, but I can offer words of support to you when you are feeling down.
I am sure you have read the book of Job, even if you have I would recommend you reading it again, mediating on every word. This book really stands hard with me when I go through times of doubt, trials and I often remember that teaching which I had over a year ago.
I am going to tell you a brief story, this is a relative of my husbands. It’s about a young boy who was around 11 years of age.
The father has been a devout Christian since he himself was a young boy. He accepted Jesus into his life and was baptized when was only a teenager. He met and married a lovely lady and they had 2 children everything was perfect. Then the father got cancer, he went through a terrible battle, but with God by his side He pulled him through. Not long afterwards, his young son of around 11, decided he also wanted Jesus in his heart and for Jesus to be his saviour and he got baptized. It wasn't long after he was baptized that the family was driving back home one night, the young boy, wanted to relieve himself and he asked his father to stop the car so he could relieve himself. Both parent agreed. As the young boy was getting out the car, he didn't see the lorry which was hurtling down the road with a trailer on the back. The trailer some how detached itself from the lorry and hurled into the young boy, the boy died instantly. This was witnessed by both of the parents.
I sat and thought about this story and discussed it with my husband. We all ask questions why these things happen, to such young children whom are starting out in life. He was a lovely boy, born into a Christian family and accepted God into his life. And the only answer I could come up with, maybe this little boy could have grown up and could have been a total looser and decided to have gone down satan's road instead of choosing Jesus' way, God wanted that young boy at that time, before satan could get his nasty hands on him. That was the only answer I could come up with. I see it, that God was sparing the boys parents for any future things that could have happened. And one day, they will see their young son again, when they go to heaven and in eternity.
Recently we went out one Sunday and we had dinner with the parents and their daughter. I could see the pain in both the parents eyes, as this accident only happened just over year ago. But they are still standing strong in there faith, they go too church every Sunday morning and in the evening too. When I looked into that man eyes, I felt his pain in my heart, it was hard for him, especially when you look around the family restaurant and you see other young boys enjoying themselves with their parents. But what I also saw, he still loves God and still believes in God.
I fully believe, it's God who see's him through each day giving him the strenght to face each day.
We don't really know why these things happen, but one day Jesus will tell us. That person you have lossed is waiting for you, so is Jesus.
Please take care jculver, we are here to help you.
God bless.
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Read the entire book of Job jculver,
Your questions and statements have been asked for thousands of years and the God of all does not answer to a mere man, He does not subdue Himself to the words of a mortal and all Power and Glory belongs to Him .
Job 42:7-17
7 After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has." 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job's prayer.
10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring.
12 The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job's daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.
16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so he died, old and full of years.
Your questions and statements have been asked for thousands of years and the God of all does not answer to a mere man, He does not subdue Himself to the words of a mortal and all Power and Glory belongs to Him .
Job 42:7-17
7 After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has." 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job's prayer.
10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring.
12 The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job's daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.
16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so he died, old and full of years.
Jculver, it seems you are misunderstanding God and who He is. Although you are cutting things off with God, He has patience like a mountain and love like an ocean and He will be waiting for your return. Jesus is the good shephard, and no matter where you go you will find that He is there also, ready to restore you back into the fold. I rebelled toward God for years after my mother died of cancer. I ran long and hard but Jesus ran longer and harder and was always just a breath away. My faith in Jesus is not based on the bible. The bible confirms my faith but my faith is founded on who God is and is proven through my experiences concerning Him. Believe when I say that God is ready to prove Himself to you also, He disires to be much more than words in a book to you, He is ready to be illustrated.
Ephesians 3:14-19
14*When I think of the wisdom and scope of God’s plan, I fall to my knees and pray to the Father,* 15*the Creator of everything in heaven and on earth. 16*I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will give you mighty inner strength through his Holy Spirit. 17*And I pray that Christ will be more and more at home in your hearts as you trust in him. May your roots go down deep into the soil of God’s marvelous love. 18*And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love really is. 19*May you experience the love of Christ, though it is so great you will never fully understand it. Then you will be filled with the fullness of life and power that comes from God.
This is my prayer for you. God bless
Ephesians 3:14-19
14*When I think of the wisdom and scope of God’s plan, I fall to my knees and pray to the Father,* 15*the Creator of everything in heaven and on earth. 16*I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will give you mighty inner strength through his Holy Spirit. 17*And I pray that Christ will be more and more at home in your hearts as you trust in him. May your roots go down deep into the soil of God’s marvelous love. 18*And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love really is. 19*May you experience the love of Christ, though it is so great you will never fully understand it. Then you will be filled with the fullness of life and power that comes from God.
This is my prayer for you. God bless
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About this time last year, I went through a period of depression. Quite serious. The book of Job was a real comfort to me. I have been a Christian all my life, so I have rehearsed all the "answers" pretty well.
But in my situation, the answers suddenly sounded very hollow indeed.
The only comfort I could find was that I was not alone. Job chapter three records that after a week of silent mourning...
I held onto my faith, not because I felt any benefit from it, nor had any answers; I held onto my faith because I had nowhere else to go.
Now I can look back and see that even then God was holding on to me.
Jculver, my assurance to you from my personal experience of God is that even the depths of despair and hopelessness are not beyond Him. Nor is the weight of a thousand unanswered questions.
But in my situation, the answers suddenly sounded very hollow indeed.
The only comfort I could find was that I was not alone. Job chapter three records that after a week of silent mourning...
... opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day
And Job spake, and said,
For me, back then, I found this so refreshing and liberating. Even though nothing made sense to me, and everything felt as bleak as it could possibly be, still God was able to listen to a cry like this. I was comforted just to know that there was a place in the Bible for feelings such as these.And Job spake, and said,
Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.
Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.
Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it.
As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.
Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.
Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.
Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day:
Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes.
Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?
Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?
For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest,
With kings and counsellors of the earth, which build desolate places for themselves;
Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver:
Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.
There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.
There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor.
The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master.
Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life unto the bitter in soul;
Which long for death, but it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures;
Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad, when they can find the grave?
Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in?
For my sighing cometh before I eat, and my roarings are poured out like the waters.
For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.
I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.
Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.
Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it.
As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.
Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.
Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.
Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day:
Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes.
Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?
Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?
For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest,
With kings and counsellors of the earth, which build desolate places for themselves;
Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver:
Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.
There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.
There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor.
The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master.
Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life unto the bitter in soul;
Which long for death, but it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures;
Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad, when they can find the grave?
Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in?
For my sighing cometh before I eat, and my roarings are poured out like the waters.
For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.
I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.
I held onto my faith, not because I felt any benefit from it, nor had any answers; I held onto my faith because I had nowhere else to go.
Now I can look back and see that even then God was holding on to me.
Jculver, my assurance to you from my personal experience of God is that even the depths of despair and hopelessness are not beyond Him. Nor is the weight of a thousand unanswered questions.
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Jculver. What are you thinking? Please stop and pray. Please read the Word.
You're doing this because you lost your girlfriend? Because you thought God was going to return your love to you? Do you not realize that He may have something better for you? I'm pretty sure this is what you are grieving about. I can't remember her name, but you and I prayed for her and discussed her.
Do you really think you are the first person to experience hurt while you were following Jesus?
Did you ever stop to wonder, jculver, why I posted for prayer for my own situations here at talkJesus? Did you ever stop to wonder why my life seemed such a mess, when I was supposed to be a strong christian?
God doesn't smooth things out. He goes with us through those rough spots and the valleys.
My life made a big turn-around when I gave my heart to Jesus in 1991. I'd like to say that my life turned happy-happy. But that would be a lie. Actually my world around me literally fell apart. But I didn't!
God walked me through a long valley that lasted many years.
Right now I'm on a high plateau and it's beautiful. But there's no guarantee I'll stay here in this beautiful meadow, jculver. When the time comes, I walk on wherever God leads me.
You are not the first person to have lost a love. When I came to Christ, I lost my husband's love (now my ex-husband). And later that ex-husband took my oldest son away to another state. I did not even get to raise my son after the age of 13. He is now 19. I was doing everything I could to follow Jesus faithfully, but still these things happened to me.
Not because God isn't good. God is very very good, and He is all about love.
This is a sinful, fallen world we live in jculver. At the risk of sounding rude, I want to ask you to do something: Grow up. And go on with God. He has something (and probably someone) special for you.
How do you not know that God has a wife for you who will minister beside you? And what if your girlfriend just wasn't the one?
I'd like to post some verses here, but I need to take the car to be serviced and the appt time is in 30 minutes. I'll come back later and post the verses for you. I love you, brother. I love you lots. You have always been in my heart ever since I met you. I'm serious.
You're doing this because you lost your girlfriend? Because you thought God was going to return your love to you? Do you not realize that He may have something better for you? I'm pretty sure this is what you are grieving about. I can't remember her name, but you and I prayed for her and discussed her.
Do you really think you are the first person to experience hurt while you were following Jesus?
Did you ever stop to wonder, jculver, why I posted for prayer for my own situations here at talkJesus? Did you ever stop to wonder why my life seemed such a mess, when I was supposed to be a strong christian?
God doesn't smooth things out. He goes with us through those rough spots and the valleys.
My life made a big turn-around when I gave my heart to Jesus in 1991. I'd like to say that my life turned happy-happy. But that would be a lie. Actually my world around me literally fell apart. But I didn't!
God walked me through a long valley that lasted many years.
Right now I'm on a high plateau and it's beautiful. But there's no guarantee I'll stay here in this beautiful meadow, jculver. When the time comes, I walk on wherever God leads me.
You are not the first person to have lost a love. When I came to Christ, I lost my husband's love (now my ex-husband). And later that ex-husband took my oldest son away to another state. I did not even get to raise my son after the age of 13. He is now 19. I was doing everything I could to follow Jesus faithfully, but still these things happened to me.
Not because God isn't good. God is very very good, and He is all about love.
This is a sinful, fallen world we live in jculver. At the risk of sounding rude, I want to ask you to do something: Grow up. And go on with God. He has something (and probably someone) special for you.
How do you not know that God has a wife for you who will minister beside you? And what if your girlfriend just wasn't the one?
I'd like to post some verses here, but I need to take the car to be serviced and the appt time is in 30 minutes. I'll come back later and post the verses for you. I love you, brother. I love you lots. You have always been in my heart ever since I met you. I'm serious.
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Please don't be bitter
jculver. Bitterness is like a parasite and it eats away until there is nothing left. With your present attitude, you will be empty and the love of God, will be out of reach. But believe me, He is still wanting you to come back to Him, even as you are. Jesus wants His sheep. Please include yourself in the fold.
Yes, life is ugly at times. And what you spoke of in humanity does happen and it is a terrible sight to behold. The Lord beholds it too jculver and I am sure that is not what He wants. He has a plan jculver and it has to be completed.
You are looking at the immediate, when He calls you to look at the future.
Psalms 22 For he has not ignored or belittled the suffering of the needy.
He has not turned his back on them,
but has listened to their cries for help.
The Bible states that He has not ignored the suffering. He suffers too jculver.
Please strive to know Him more. You will lose your pessimistic attitude.
Our children will also serve him.
Future generations will hear about the wonders of the Lord.
31 His righteous acts will be told to those not yet born.
They will hear about everything he has done.
You really sound bitter and I think that you are going a bit to far in your blaming God. If I were you, I would fear the Lord and try hard not to anger Him. Try not to be bitter and know that others felt that way too.
Psalm 71:20
Though you have made me see troubles, many and bitter, you will restore my life again; from the depths of the earth you will again bring me up.
Listen to God speak to you, through us at Talk Jesus. You need reverence for the Lord and You need to fear Him, much more than you think that you don't care about hell.
Daniel 6:26
"I issue a decree that in every part of my kingdom people must fear and reverence the God of Daniel. "For he is the living God and he endures forever; his kingdom will not be destroyed, his dominion will never end.
Joshua 4:24
He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the LORD is powerful and so that you might always fear the LORD your God."
# 1 Chronicles 16:25
For great is the LORD and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods.
Why do we fear the Lord jculver. Because we don't want to err in His eyes.
Everything you have been given from birth until now, has been given to you by the Lord. Through suffering many people come to the Lord.
You have been asked to read the book of Job. Job and his trials before God, when God allowed satan to rule Job. Job is bitter and complains, but he upholds his love for God. And prospers after. There are many ways of prospering, for me it is to have my family's love and to be financially stable, not rich, just stable. I have felt bitter, but I didn't turn from the Lord. Perhaps you are speaking too quickly, when you speak so flippantly. The Lord will comfort those that suffer.
# Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
# Revelation 21:4
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
You need to renew yourself in the Lord and give yourself hope. There is a message of hope for everyone in the Word of God. Perhaps you could hold a little tighter to the Word of God.
God bless you jculver. May you have the strength to persevere in His love.
Amenixie:lightning :rainbow:
jculver. Bitterness is like a parasite and it eats away until there is nothing left. With your present attitude, you will be empty and the love of God, will be out of reach. But believe me, He is still wanting you to come back to Him, even as you are. Jesus wants His sheep. Please include yourself in the fold.
Yes, life is ugly at times. And what you spoke of in humanity does happen and it is a terrible sight to behold. The Lord beholds it too jculver and I am sure that is not what He wants. He has a plan jculver and it has to be completed.
You are looking at the immediate, when He calls you to look at the future.
Psalms 22 For he has not ignored or belittled the suffering of the needy.
He has not turned his back on them,
but has listened to their cries for help.
The Bible states that He has not ignored the suffering. He suffers too jculver.
Please strive to know Him more. You will lose your pessimistic attitude.
Our children will also serve him.
Future generations will hear about the wonders of the Lord.
31 His righteous acts will be told to those not yet born.
They will hear about everything he has done.
You really sound bitter and I think that you are going a bit to far in your blaming God. If I were you, I would fear the Lord and try hard not to anger Him. Try not to be bitter and know that others felt that way too.
Psalm 71:20
Though you have made me see troubles, many and bitter, you will restore my life again; from the depths of the earth you will again bring me up.
Listen to God speak to you, through us at Talk Jesus. You need reverence for the Lord and You need to fear Him, much more than you think that you don't care about hell.
Daniel 6:26
"I issue a decree that in every part of my kingdom people must fear and reverence the God of Daniel. "For he is the living God and he endures forever; his kingdom will not be destroyed, his dominion will never end.
Joshua 4:24
He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the LORD is powerful and so that you might always fear the LORD your God."
# 1 Chronicles 16:25
For great is the LORD and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods.
Why do we fear the Lord jculver. Because we don't want to err in His eyes.
Everything you have been given from birth until now, has been given to you by the Lord. Through suffering many people come to the Lord.
You have been asked to read the book of Job. Job and his trials before God, when God allowed satan to rule Job. Job is bitter and complains, but he upholds his love for God. And prospers after. There are many ways of prospering, for me it is to have my family's love and to be financially stable, not rich, just stable. I have felt bitter, but I didn't turn from the Lord. Perhaps you are speaking too quickly, when you speak so flippantly. The Lord will comfort those that suffer.
# Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
# Revelation 21:4
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
You need to renew yourself in the Lord and give yourself hope. There is a message of hope for everyone in the Word of God. Perhaps you could hold a little tighter to the Word of God.
God bless you jculver. May you have the strength to persevere in His love.
Amen
ixie:lightning :rainbow:
