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Got your permit to study the Bible?

Chad

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Got your permit to study the Bible?
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Recently, a California pastor and his wife were required by San Diego County officials to obtain a permit to hold a Bible study in their home.
"What?! Is this a joke?" I wondered as I heard the news for the first time. It was no joke. Rather it's a First Amendment nightmare and possibly a precedent of what's to come.

Are you prepared for a future in which you might someday hear the question, "Got your permit to study the Bible?"

On April 10 (Good Friday), a county code enforcement officer visited the home of David and Mary Jones after receiving a complaint about their Christian gatherings. The Jones' attorney Dean Broyles, president of The Western Center for Law & Policy, conveyed in disbelief, "The county asked [Mrs. Jones], 'Do you have a regular meeting in your home?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Do you say amen?' 'Yes.' 'Do you pray?' 'Yes.' 'Do you say praise the Lord?' 'Yes.'"

The officer then warned the family to "cease and desist" the "religious assemblies" or they would face fines up to $1,000 weekly (or more). Two days later, the county delivered a citation claiming that the Joneses were guilty of "unlawful use of land," mandating them to "stop religious assembly or apply for a major use permit."

At first I thought, "They must have a large congregation meeting in their home to warrant this type of citation and prompt this type of commotion," right? Actually, according to their lawyer, the Joneses have been hosting weekly Bible studies in their home for about five years with an average attendance of only about 15 people.

Attorney Broyles appropriately responded, "If the county thinks they can shut down groups of 10 or 15 Christians meeting in a home, what about people who meet regularly at home for poker night? What about people who meet for Tupperware parties? What about people who are meeting to watch baseball games on a regular basis and support the Chargers?"

Well, over this past weekend, barraged by hundreds of complaints after WorldNetDaily broke the news to the international community, San Diego county officials informed the world that they've backed down from requiring the Joneses to obtain a permit. Despite their retraction (based solely upon public pressure, I might add), however, I am appalled how far the county's enforcement and encroachment crossed the constitutional line and became a flagrant disregard for Americans' right to exercise their religious freedom. And I'm concerned that we will see far more of these overreaching governmental actions in years to come.

As Mary Jones shared with FOX News, "The implications are great because it's not only us that's involved. There are thousands and thousands of Bible studies that are held all across the country. What we're interested in is setting a precedent here – before it goes any further – and that we have it settled for the future."

I'm not expecting county officials to be constitutional lawyers, but they should be aware of these basic precepts of America's makeup. For example, prior to the San Diego officials recanting their position regarding the Joneses' Bible study, Chandra Wallar, the county's general manager of land use and environment, declared that "The Bible studies are one that's probably in a very gray area."

"Very gray area"? Is there anything "very gray" about the First Amendment??

I agree again with Dean Broyles, who explained further to FOX News, "The government may not prohibit the free exercise of religion. I believe that our Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves if they saw that here in the year 2009, a pastor and his wife are being told that they cannot hold a simple Bible study in their own home."

One of the geniuses of America's Founding Fathers was to provide and secure a foundation for our freedom of religious belief. The First Amendment simply reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Could it be any clearer that government will not "prohibit the free exercise thereof"?

We've butchered and bastardized the First Amendment until it doesn't resemble what our founders intended. Even when Thomas Jefferson penned that legendary commentary on "a wall of separation between Church and State," in his letter to the Danbury Baptists (1802), he was only concerned with prohibiting the domination and legislation of religious sectarianism in government, as it was back in England and even in some early colonies like Virginia. However, he was not trying to rid government or civic settings of religious influence and practice. (That's a timely reminder, especially when so many graduation ceremonies across the land are even now being banned from religious discussion and invocations by student participants.)

In 1789, during the same time when the First Amendment was written, then-President George Washington signed into law the Northwest Ordinance, which states, "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

From Miss California Carrie Prejean (who also lives in San Diego) and her fight for freedom of speech, to this pastor and his wife and their fight for free exercise of religion, America's First Amendment rights are progressively being trampled and even flushed down the cultural toilet. Will California really lead the way in obliterating such basic human rights?

Now more than ever, we need to be like the Joneses! Fight for the First Amendment and your freedom to exercise your religion.
 
Just an FYI

This is a true story, as confirmed by local ABC affiliate channel 10 news in San Diego, channel 3, and Fox News website.

However, it happened back in May, so it would no longer be appropriate to start collecting signatures for a petition or starting a letter writing campaign.

The issue has apparently recently resurfaced in Internet chain mails and petition campaigns etc. but the fight for this particular issue is pretty much over.

It ended with letter of apology from Chief Administrative Officer, Walter Eckard, which was presented to the pastor on June 3, 2009. The letter clearly stated that the pastor was not in need of a permit for his small gathering, and that he should not have been given any citation in the first place.

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Rather than approaching the Lord's throne with petitions and supplications to request victory in this matter, we have the singular joy of being able to give thanks for His protection of this pastor and his little group :)
 
Here is my permit



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The more the Gospel is hindered the faster it is spread.
 
i guess i will be an outlaw.

again.

Hosana!!!!





I dont worry too much about them taking away what is without, when the true treasure is what is within.

Eph 5:18 ..Keep on being filled with the Spirit. Then you will recite to one another psalms,[ to sing; as, psalming His praises] hymns, and spiritual songs. You will sing and make music to the Lord with your hearts.
 
Will we be required to have a Bible permit soon?

Wow! Thanks for the information Chad. Its sad to think what will be coming down the pike in the future. The devil is working overtime. But praise God for the eminent return of Jesus. Is there a site you go to for news of this caliber, that directed you to fox news, or did you happen on it by chance at Fox?
 
If it honestly starts coming down to that to have a Bible in one's home Where do I sign up, because I need the Word of God and yes would get my "permit"!!!
 
I really can't see how this is possible but yet I know it is possible. What about people who have Friday's night parties, music blasting, car roaring loud, drinking beer and the trash is throw in yards and in the streets, blocking driveways, screaming and yelling in the middle of the night, And yet these officier complaining about a Bible study being made in a home.

Well it is making sense to me, the bible tells us "what is good will be call evil, and what is evil will be call good."
 
Please pray for China.We are not allowed to have such gatherings or preach gospel in public except in church buildings(three-self church owned by the government),there're real persecution even in big cities espcially underground homechurch(i've met policemen entered my former church,and receive short messages of praying for Christians in prison sometimes.like other homechurchs we had Christmas activities etc. always underground,and while worship in the house we can't sing or pray loudly---that's very challengable when you really want to praise Him and when all saying "Amen!"~you had to keep your voice down~;)need wisdom from the Lord and be "shrewd as snakes"(Mat10:16).
(although i'm not in the homechurch now i still care them a lot and hope you can pray for people in China~~we really need your prayers!)
China is a BIG part and the must way of gospel going back to Jesualem(don't know if i say it in the right way.)"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. "(Mat24:14)
do what you can do,please,in the Lord's name.don't miss your reward of harvest in the last days ;) Jesus said in John4:35:"I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. "souls are crying out for the good news and the Savior---Messiah!...or they will go to hell be lost for ever...and also those sho have been saved~pastoring/counseling resources are very lacked in China, seminary education and traing of service~!! Do sth for the Lord~you can start with a prayer before Him, to let Him show you what to do.
May His Kingdom come,and His Will be done.AMEN.
 
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We had a missionary come to our church and speak of these things. They definitely do need our prayers and support.
 
Thank you Trishann!
Thank you God for what you have done~you are awsome and no one compares to you.Guide us by your hand and protect your people,you are the one who fight for us.may we're allowed to see your works and glory,for you are the ever-lasting God,the King of kings,Lord of lords.lots of thanks,praise and glory be to you,amen.
 
I dont worry too much about them taking away what is without, when the true treasure is what is within.

Eph 5:18 ..Keep on being filled with the Spirit. Then you will recite to one another psalms,[ to sing; as, psalming His praises] hymns, and spiritual songs. You will sing and make music to the Lord with your hearts.

i hope you dont worry at all. we arent supposed to be doing that.:wink:

the earth and the fullness thereof belongs to the LORD.
 
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