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Hi Amanda
i think there's a separate gift of healing.
1Co 12:28-30
(28) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
(29) Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
not all have this gift:
(30) Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
could we still be healed by faith? or do we must have the gift first?
i think that's a good question.
i think there's a separate gift of healing.
1Co 12:28-30
(28) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
(29) Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
not all have this gift:
(30) Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
could we still be healed by faith? or do we must have the gift first?
i think that's a good question.
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If you lack faith, that is only something you can find out yourself after personal examination and prayer. But God has a plan and purpose, and will heal on his time, so a persons faith isn't always the key reason.
Only you know what real faith you have. Faith can not be measured like water or gasoline. Too often people who accuse someone of lack of faith make unsound judgements, perhaps they are not praying the right way. How do you know that the Lords will is for you to suffer, perhaps even die in faith. Suffering is a real part of bering a christian, Romans 8:28-29. When we suffer we become more conformed to the likeness of our suffering Jesus Christ.
May I suggest that you and your husband are putting God in a box that says I must be healed. How much better for your husband and you to pray that you both be in the direct will of the Lord.
Ma a counsel you both that James 5:14-16 tells us that when we are sick to be annointed with oil. Read it and ssk your husband is he has enough faith to allow the Lord to put you in the direct center of His will, that requires GREAT FAITH!
If faith was all we needed to be well, that how come did Matthew, Mark Luke, John, Paul, and millions of Christians have died! The Bible has much to say about why we die Psalms 116:3-15. Take what the Bible says and not the advice of anything that is not inline form scripture.
May I suggest that you and your husband are putting God in a box that says I must be healed. How much better for your husband and you to pray that you both be in the direct will of the Lord.
Ma a counsel you both that James 5:14-16 tells us that when we are sick to be annointed with oil. Read it and ssk your husband is he has enough faith to allow the Lord to put you in the direct center of His will, that requires GREAT FAITH!
If faith was all we needed to be well, that how come did Matthew, Mark Luke, John, Paul, and millions of Christians have died! The Bible has much to say about why we die Psalms 116:3-15. Take what the Bible says and not the advice of anything that is not inline form scripture.
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Suffering:
Farout:
Romans 8:28-29
We are told that tribulation and trials works patience...... Not give patience, but works what we have.
In that experience, hope.
The people were sick and oppressed of the devil, Jesus said I came to give life, and give life abundantly. How is it God's will that we suffer when we are told to have faith and believe against it?
The prayer of faith SHALL save the sick........... Now where would God want you sick, if we are told the prayer of faith Saves the sick?
Jesus Is Lord.
Farout:
Romans 8:28-29
Brother, that has nothing to do with suffer. If suffering caused any growth in the Lord, caused any good, then the whole world would be like Jesus and we can just wrap this thing up and go home.
We are told that tribulation and trials works patience...... Not give patience, but works what we have.
In that experience, hope.
The people were sick and oppressed of the devil, Jesus said I came to give life, and give life abundantly. How is it God's will that we suffer when we are told to have faith and believe against it?
The prayer of faith SHALL save the sick........... Now where would God want you sick, if we are told the prayer of faith Saves the sick?
Jesus Is Lord.
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Suffering for the Faith is one thing,I sure agree! Anyone who truly believes and does his or her best in Christ Jesus SHALL!!! suffer persecution!! This is a fact, as well as a promise!( 2 Tim 3:12!!) ALL!!! means all! Now, as far as healing,could you be a better example sick,or healed? Some religions believe being sick is an example!They have no chapter and verse for this,but they believe it!
I have to tell you,I sure can serve our Lord Jesus much better well, then sick! Now the question that will haunt us until we cross into Glory ,why!! OH WHY!! do some not get healed?? Consider this.
Let us say you want to be a very rich person,it is true that one who has a lot of money can sure do more, then those who lack it! Then take a sheet of paper and make a list as to why you should have this.On the other side make a list to what might happen if you get what you want!
And the bad side to you receiving this. Healing in Jesus is indeed a promise made to each of us.But at the same time,so many things in our own lives can cause us not to receive it as well.Most want to blame the Lord for this!
I know I did for a time! What are you doing wrong Lord?? You Word says this,and since you always speak the truth, then why do I not have it? I cannot ,nor will I ever judge another in there faith,only Jesus knows each of your hearts!
But what I can do for you,is make a list with scripture as to why. Hopefully you will examine your own self, as I had to, and find out where we are going wrong at.
I will start with what I believe is number one,then work my way down from there.1 This is the number ONE!!! reason! unforgivness. ( matt 18:21-35 2. a lying tongue.( proverbs 6:16-19)Please look at all of these.Because each will stop a healing from getting to us. next
Our own words towards the sickness we presently have. Oh I have prayed and just know I will never get healed.Well you won't! You spoke that right into existence!( rom 4:17-18) Words spoken out loud do matter!
Jesus hears this, and so does the devil!And he is at the throne of God pointing at you!!( revelation 12:10) the accuser of the brethren.That is the devil! SEE LORD!!! hear those words Lord!!! he or she cannot get healed using such words! I do not care how young or old in the Lord they are!! And he sure does not saints!
We have 2 ears,two eyes, two hands, two feet and ONE!!!! mouth! need I say more?? We should listen more then we talk,we should help more then we talk,we should walk for others and help others more then just talk about it. DEEDS!!!! DO MATTER!!
People can talk about how through grace you are saved, all day and night long.It is very true!! BUT!!!!! In the end here is what Jesus himself says!!Revelation!! 22:12! If we do believe then we must have good fruit! Bottom line! Saying and doing works.saying by itself does nothing!! I repeat nothing!
Faith does come by hearing!! amen!!( rom 10:17)but without the doing, what good is the hearing!!( james 1:22)James 2:19-26!!)Please see this for yourself! Now with all this in mind,why do some not receive healing?? Many different reasons!!All of which are our own fault, not God's will, or his fault! If it was ever God's will for someone to be sick,he would have been sick himself! And so would his disciples! ( Matt 4:23!!).Every kind means every kind! WHY?? if sickness is in his will??Because in truth my brothers and sisters it is NOT!!! his will! I hope I am not hurting feeling here.But truth does set us free!
I have 8 stents in my heart,I prayed!! I believed but what happened??Why did I not receive?? I sure did wonder! For 6 of the stents put in my heart,i did not have to be under sleeping gas for.During this time I talked to all 8 of the doctors working on me,and was telling them about my Jesus.
After I came out of the operating room 3 received Jesus! Had I not been there to proclaim Jesus, would they have been saved by the Lord?? I do not know.All I know is that Jesus had me witness to them,and he did the rest.So was it worth me laying there suffering to proclaim Jesus unto them?? LOL YEP!
I walked out of that hospital in 2 days,when they said it would be more then a week before I could go.Another testimony of Jesus in me! Another Doctor received Jesus 2 days after this!
There is purpose to being sick,and there is purpose to being made well.Just look at the scriptures and judge this for yourself. I only know in part brothers and sisters.This is the part the Lord has reveled unto me.I hope this helps all of you understand better the why and why not. Blessing all!
I have to tell you,I sure can serve our Lord Jesus much better well, then sick! Now the question that will haunt us until we cross into Glory ,why!! OH WHY!! do some not get healed?? Consider this.
Let us say you want to be a very rich person,it is true that one who has a lot of money can sure do more, then those who lack it! Then take a sheet of paper and make a list as to why you should have this.On the other side make a list to what might happen if you get what you want!
And the bad side to you receiving this. Healing in Jesus is indeed a promise made to each of us.But at the same time,so many things in our own lives can cause us not to receive it as well.Most want to blame the Lord for this!
I know I did for a time! What are you doing wrong Lord?? You Word says this,and since you always speak the truth, then why do I not have it? I cannot ,nor will I ever judge another in there faith,only Jesus knows each of your hearts!
But what I can do for you,is make a list with scripture as to why. Hopefully you will examine your own self, as I had to, and find out where we are going wrong at.
I will start with what I believe is number one,then work my way down from there.1 This is the number ONE!!! reason! unforgivness. ( matt 18:21-35 2. a lying tongue.( proverbs 6:16-19)Please look at all of these.Because each will stop a healing from getting to us. next
Our own words towards the sickness we presently have. Oh I have prayed and just know I will never get healed.Well you won't! You spoke that right into existence!( rom 4:17-18) Words spoken out loud do matter!
Jesus hears this, and so does the devil!And he is at the throne of God pointing at you!!( revelation 12:10) the accuser of the brethren.That is the devil! SEE LORD!!! hear those words Lord!!! he or she cannot get healed using such words! I do not care how young or old in the Lord they are!! And he sure does not saints!
We have 2 ears,two eyes, two hands, two feet and ONE!!!! mouth! need I say more?? We should listen more then we talk,we should help more then we talk,we should walk for others and help others more then just talk about it. DEEDS!!!! DO MATTER!!
People can talk about how through grace you are saved, all day and night long.It is very true!! BUT!!!!! In the end here is what Jesus himself says!!Revelation!! 22:12! If we do believe then we must have good fruit! Bottom line! Saying and doing works.saying by itself does nothing!! I repeat nothing!
Faith does come by hearing!! amen!!( rom 10:17)but without the doing, what good is the hearing!!( james 1:22)James 2:19-26!!)Please see this for yourself! Now with all this in mind,why do some not receive healing?? Many different reasons!!All of which are our own fault, not God's will, or his fault! If it was ever God's will for someone to be sick,he would have been sick himself! And so would his disciples! ( Matt 4:23!!).Every kind means every kind! WHY?? if sickness is in his will??Because in truth my brothers and sisters it is NOT!!! his will! I hope I am not hurting feeling here.But truth does set us free!
I have 8 stents in my heart,I prayed!! I believed but what happened??Why did I not receive?? I sure did wonder! For 6 of the stents put in my heart,i did not have to be under sleeping gas for.During this time I talked to all 8 of the doctors working on me,and was telling them about my Jesus.
After I came out of the operating room 3 received Jesus! Had I not been there to proclaim Jesus, would they have been saved by the Lord?? I do not know.All I know is that Jesus had me witness to them,and he did the rest.So was it worth me laying there suffering to proclaim Jesus unto them?? LOL YEP!
I walked out of that hospital in 2 days,when they said it would be more then a week before I could go.Another testimony of Jesus in me! Another Doctor received Jesus 2 days after this!
There is purpose to being sick,and there is purpose to being made well.Just look at the scriptures and judge this for yourself. I only know in part brothers and sisters.This is the part the Lord has reveled unto me.I hope this helps all of you understand better the why and why not. Blessing all!
Has your husband prayed for you?
Has the elders of the Church?
<DIR>Psa 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: </DIR><DIR>Psa 103:3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; </DIR>
thank you for replies;
I will try and ans questions
james g
yes husband prays for me lots
Elders at church not into that sort of thing so they dont pray for sick
Brighthouse, philosopher jari farout
Thank you lots to think about there
Brother Mike
Why even answer here, you just seem to want to argue with people. You didnt answer me atall but challenged farout
We have been praying for years but my husband saus my lack of faith and something from my past must be stopping healing. I pray that all i need to say will be shown to me.
Thank you again
I will try and ans questions
james g
yes husband prays for me lots
Elders at church not into that sort of thing so they dont pray for sick
Brighthouse, philosopher jari farout
Thank you lots to think about there
Brother Mike
Why even answer here, you just seem to want to argue with people. You didnt answer me atall but challenged farout
We have been praying for years but my husband saus my lack of faith and something from my past must be stopping healing. I pray that all i need to say will be shown to me.
Thank you again
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Well.
Sorry about that. I am against anything the devil is doing, and against teaching that suggest God is working hand in hand with the devil.
I did leave you a P.M though I think....
Jesus Is Lord.
Sorry about that. I am against anything the devil is doing, and against teaching that suggest God is working hand in hand with the devil.
I did leave you a P.M though I think....
Jesus Is Lord.
Hey Amanda123, I know the trouble one faces especially when it comes to putting a measuring stick to one's faith and it seems that there is no shortage of believers who will blame many things on the lack of faith. But Jesus is different, He does not condemn nor find fault when one's faith is found to be weak, but rather He does what is necessary to raise and strengthen weak faith. I don't recall Jesus ever turning someone away because their faith was little or weak. He didn't reprimand Thomas for his weak faith or his unbelief but instead He invited Thomas to come closer and feel His wounds. My encouragement to you is to simply use the faith you have and listen to Jesus and do as He asks, if your faith is lacking or weak He will help your faith to grow and increase and remember faith is a fruit of the Spirit, it comes from Him not from us.
On a side note why is it, when it comes to things that make the flesh/self uncomfortable, many automatically think it is evil and caused by the devil? I believe this to be carnal thinking. If the enemy could have such easy access to us at anytime seems to me that would make God a distracted neglectful parent.
If you would like Amanda I can move your thread to the counseling forum to prevent debate and leave some of the posts here for discussion. Just let me know. God bless you.
On a side note why is it, when it comes to things that make the flesh/self uncomfortable, many automatically think it is evil and caused by the devil? I believe this to be carnal thinking. If the enemy could have such easy access to us at anytime seems to me that would make God a distracted neglectful parent.
If you would like Amanda I can move your thread to the counseling forum to prevent debate and leave some of the posts here for discussion. Just let me know. God bless you.
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"My people are destroyed by a lack of knowledge" Who said that?
Amanda. It's not necessarily a matter of faith here. You have 'the measure of faith' You have enough faith. The problem may be a lack of understanding of what you have.
LOL Consider this... are you asking GOD to heal you? HE doesn't do that anymore. HE already did it. You don't want HIM to do it over do you? Listen!!
1 Peter 2:24 (King James Version)
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-30424">24</sup>Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
You were healed 2000 years ago. This is what you must understand. You are healed! JESUS bought and paid for it and it's done!! So stop saying you are not healed and start speaking it. Every time Satan tells you that you are not, tell him flat out that he is a liar and read, READ, the verses to him. By JESUS stripes you WERE healed.
Read aloud every verse you can find in the bible that says so. Read aloud Psalms 103. "I am the GOD who heals ALL of your diseases.
Amanda you will win or lose by the words you speak. Just as JESUS only spoke what HE heard the FATHER speak, so you only speak what you hear JESUS speak.
You are healed!
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May our Lord Jesus let your mind open supernaturally to see how other Christians are doing well, such as my church members at my local church. Worshipping Jesus in church is like you are already transformed like our perfect Jesus with a brand new mind and body of Christ - even though the mind and body is still being attacked by sin where old age cannot be cured because of the curse that started in the beginning of time since Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden when they were deceived by Satan into biting God's forbiddden fruit. Singing Christian songs helps me feel strong in faith and strong in healing with our Lord Jesus in my heart. Our prayer team members who put their hands on our shoulders or heads while praying for us, and as we line up in a queue in front of the stage where our pastor stands, a young teenage boy collapsed on the floor, filled with the holy spirit like some kind of invisible waterfall of holy water pouring through your body from head to toe. Going to church helps me clear my mind of all confusion and clutter that sin causes and allows the pure love from Jesus to be a strong forceful focus of healing of peace and joy of Christ to climb aboard and take control of your steering wheel of your personal life.
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What kind of healing do you mean? There are different kinds. To be able to help, we need to know what kind.
Physical?
Emotional?
Mental?
Spiritual?
Psychological?
I think I got them all :S There may be other kinds, too.
Physical?
Emotional?
Mental?
Spiritual?
Psychological?
I think I got them all :S There may be other kinds, too.
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Isaiah 53:5 (NKJV)
But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
"And by His stripes we are healed"...it doesn't say we WILL be healed...it says we ARE healed. It's already done.
The manifestation of the healing hasn't come yet for you. True, full healing, I believe, can only happen when we are in heaven where there is no pain, sorrow, or tears.
The Word says that even if you have the faith as small as a mustard seed (which is very small) you can say to the mountain be moved and cast into the sea and it will be done.
I would ask God first if it is a matter of faith or if it is just not time yet. God has a plan. Just because someone says something to you doesn't make it so. Listen to God's voice alone. Not even your husband knows the mind of God fully.
I myself need physical healing, but I know God can do it. We can't "will" pain away not really. I mean there is a reason our bodies use pain as an indicator that something is wrong.
Now, this is just me...and some might say something against this, but...I believe that God gave doctors the gift to heal...well some of them. :S I have gone to doctors and I do what I think is best, not what the doctors say...not always. Doctors will tell people what has always been done for an illness for decades, even hundreds of years, but that doesn't mean you and I have to do it.
God can do anything. He can heal you and me. Most days I can "deal" with the pain. Most people who know me probably wouldn't even know I am in pain. But if I must suffer a small amount, I believe I can. Jesus suffered much more. I always try to think positive. There's enough negative in the world...I don't want to add to it.
I hope some of this helps. I truly believe you need to check YOUR relationship with God. No one else can truly know what kind of relationship you and God have, but you and Him.
But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
"And by His stripes we are healed"...it doesn't say we WILL be healed...it says we ARE healed. It's already done.
The manifestation of the healing hasn't come yet for you. True, full healing, I believe, can only happen when we are in heaven where there is no pain, sorrow, or tears.
The Word says that even if you have the faith as small as a mustard seed (which is very small) you can say to the mountain be moved and cast into the sea and it will be done.
I would ask God first if it is a matter of faith or if it is just not time yet. God has a plan. Just because someone says something to you doesn't make it so. Listen to God's voice alone. Not even your husband knows the mind of God fully.
I myself need physical healing, but I know God can do it. We can't "will" pain away not really. I mean there is a reason our bodies use pain as an indicator that something is wrong.
Now, this is just me...and some might say something against this, but...I believe that God gave doctors the gift to heal...well some of them. :S I have gone to doctors and I do what I think is best, not what the doctors say...not always. Doctors will tell people what has always been done for an illness for decades, even hundreds of years, but that doesn't mean you and I have to do it.
God can do anything. He can heal you and me. Most days I can "deal" with the pain. Most people who know me probably wouldn't even know I am in pain. But if I must suffer a small amount, I believe I can. Jesus suffered much more. I always try to think positive. There's enough negative in the world...I don't want to add to it.
I hope some of this helps. I truly believe you need to check YOUR relationship with God. No one else can truly know what kind of relationship you and God have, but you and Him.
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((hugs)) to you sister!
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Actually Giggles Healing is healing. Where do you need it. That's the I AM that HE AM
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Isaiah 53:5 (NKJV)
But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
"And by His stripes we are healed"...it doesn't say we WILL be healed...it says we ARE healed. It's already done.
The manifestation of the healing hasn't come yet for you. True, full healing, I believe, can only happen when we are in heaven where there is no pain, sorrow, or tears.
The Word says that even if you have the faith as small as a mustard seed (which is very small) you can say to the mountain be moved and cast into the sea and it will be done.
I would ask God first if it is a matter of faith or if it is just not time yet. God has a plan. Just because someone says something to you doesn't make it so. Listen to God's voice alone. Not even your husband knows the mind of God fully.
I myself need physical healing, but I know God can do it. We can't "will" pain away not really. I mean there is a reason our bodies use pain as an indicator that something is wrong.
Now, this is just me...and some might say something against this, but...I believe that God gave doctors the gift to heal...well some of them. :S I have gone to doctors and I do what I think is best, not what the doctors say...not always. Doctors will tell people what has always been done for an illness for decades, even hundreds of years, but that doesn't mean you and I have to do it.
God can do anything. He can heal you and me. Most days I can "deal" with the pain. Most people who know me probably wouldn't even know I am in pain. But if I must suffer a small amount, I believe I can. Jesus suffered much more. I always try to think positive. There's enough negative in the world...I don't want to add to it.
I hope some of this helps. I truly believe you need to check YOUR relationship with God. No one else can truly know what kind of relationship you and God have, but you and Him.
Um Giggles That's not what the WORD says....It say 'by JESUS' stripes we were healed. The WORD says that the full manifestation of that healing will come when we believe HIM.
