Hip or fancy dressing preachers...

[Mister]

Preachers and their $5,000 sneakers: Why one man started an Instagram account showing churches’ wealth (msn.com)

Could this be sort of on line with when Jesus "cleansed" the temple as John 2: 13-16?

I don't know why one would want to dress in such apparel while preaching and teaching the word of God. I would venture to state that the motive of that individual is being strongly influenced by these worldly possessions they are gifted and chose to wear. Why do they want to be "up" there with celebrities?

God help us to expose the evils in this age and in ourselves. Let us repent and turn to your way. Amen.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

It's a very sad sign of the times @Mister

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world
1 John 2: 15-17

 

[Fragrant Grace]

It's a very sad sign of the times @Mister

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world
1 John 2: 15-17

 

[Hekuran]

I don't find it difficult to imagine Jesus tearing through this, whip in hand. It's a complete denial of the gospel.

But remember that for every one of these peacocking around on perfectly-lit stage sets in ridiculous trainers, there's one thousand pastors faithfully serving small congregations, quietly, modestly, on a small or a no wage, and getting little in the way of thanks or recognition.

God will repay according to each one’s deeds: to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; while for those who are self-seeking and who obey not the truth but wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.

 

[Mister]

I don't find it difficult to imagine Jesus tearing through this, whip in hand. It's a complete denial of the gospel.

But remember that for every one of these peacocking around on perfectly-lit stage sets in ridiculous trainers, there's one thousand pastors faithfully serving small congregations, quietly, modestly, on a small or a no wage, and getting little in the way of thanks or recognition.

God will repay according to each one’s deeds: to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; while for those who are self-seeking and who obey not the truth but wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.

Go Jesus!

 

[Mayflower]

I try not to judge anyone's heart. Wealth can easily corrupt though.

"For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
1 Timothy 6:10 NASB1995

That being said, Heaven isn't going to go bankrupt of spiritual or material blessings. We are children of the most high God. While we are to seek the Kingdom of God first, God's people in the Bible, many of them were prosperous with bountiful blessings. They had a lot of cattle, land, etc. Yet like Jacob, he really loved the Lord with all his heart.

I think with right motives, a rich person can be a bountiful blessing to others. But if you don't have the resources, you can't bless people with them.

Id pray for the right motives if I ever had that kind of money to get $5000 shoes. But I don't know if someone is giving half their income away anonymously while buying $5000 shoes. I don't know their hearts or what they sow. When rich pastors and individuals don't give anything though that is the problem.

Someone can be just as selfish/greedy as a poor person then a rich person materially.

 

[Mayflower]

I found this interesting:

Are There Wealthy Christians In the Bible?

Are There Wealthy Christians in the Bible? This post explores examples of people in the Bible who had great wealth and yet lived faithful lives to Christ.

tifwe.org

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Although Scripture has some very harsh things to say about the wealthy, this does not mean that all of them are evil or under divine judgment. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Job were rich and yet were also approved by God. Just as poverty doesn’t guarantee virtue, wealth does not guarantee vice.

In his discussion of Acts 2-5, Art Lindsley lists several examples from the New Testament of wealthy believers who gave generously to those in need. Among these Christians are:

• Joseph, called Barnabas (Acts 4:36-37)
• Dorcas (Acts 9:36)
• Cornelius (Acts 10:1)
• Sergius Paulus (Acts 13:6-12)
• Lydia (Acts 16:14-15)
• Jason (Acts 17:5-9)
• Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:2-3)
• Mnason of Cyprus (Acts 21:16)
• Philemon (Philemon 1)

These believers lived faithful Christian lives in addition to enjoying wealth. It’s important to take note of the example they set. Art makes a point of saying these people “were wealthy and gave generously.”

I think God looks at the heart. I feel bad judging some in the past for having a lot of money. But people can have both and love God with all their heart.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Preachers and their $5,000 sneakers: Why one man started an Instagram account showing churches’ wealth (msn.com)

Could this be sort of on line with when Jesus "cleansed" the temple as John 2: 13-16?

I don't know why one would want to dress in such apparel while preaching and teaching the word of God. I would venture to state that the motive of that individual is being strongly influenced by these worldly possessions they are gifted and chose to wear. Why do they want to be "up" there with celebrities?

God help us to expose the evils in this age and in ourselves. Let us repent and turn to your way. Amen.

Should the preachers dress in rags and put ashes on their faces before preaching?

 

[Hekuran]

Should the preachers dress in rags and put ashes on their faces before preaching?

No, that would be ostentation of a different kind.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

No, that would be ostentation of a different kind.

Correct....And what right have we to judge others....We are told NOT to judge others....Simple as that.

 

[Mister]

Correct....And what right have we to judge others....We are told NOT to judge others....Simple as that.

Would you please clarify for me the difference between judgment and discernment? I think one should discern these things according to the Holy Spirit - to protect themselves. I don't sense a judgmental vibe taking place in this thread. If a preacher is following the trends of the world, isn't that a red flag?

I looked up the difference between judgement/discernment/discretion:

Its just one source mind you.

What is the difference between discernment and being judgmental? | Bible.org

Thanks for your input guys and gals.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Would you please clarify for me the difference between judgment and discernment? I think one should discern these things according to the Holy Spirit - to protect themselves. I don't sense a judgmental vibe taking place in this thread. If a preacher is following the trends of the world, isn't that a red flag?

I looked up the difference between judgement/discernment/discretion:

Its just one source mind you.

What is the difference between discernment and being judgmental? | Bible.org

Thanks for your input guys and gals.

The bible tells us specifically to avoid judging others....What does the judge do in court? He forms an opinion based on the facts and the law. He is authorized to do so... Judging is simply forming an opinion on something or somebody....and we are not authorized to do that...Discernment is based on knowledge...but mostly its a gift from God where He tells you what is going on....Discernment will tell you that something is wrong here! But its not a judgment...Jesus himself said he did not come to judge...and He does not....so should we? Dicernment is to tell us something is wrong, for us to avoid the thing...not to judge.

 

[Brad Huber]

The bible tells us specifically to avoid judging others....What does the judge do in court? He forms an opinion based on the facts and the law. He is authorized to do so... Judging is simply forming an opinion on something or somebody....and we are not authorized to do that...Discernment is based on knowledge...but mostly its a gift from God where He tells you what is going on....Discernment will tell you that something is wrong here! But its not a judgment...Jesus himself said he did not come to judge...and He does not....so should we? Dicernment is to tell us something is wrong, for us to avoid the thing...not to judge.

We all judge all the time, even those who say dont do it. I judge clothes to be a covering for me, I dress modestly, no tight britches, or tight shirt, trying to show off my body. I see many dress without modesty all the time at work. They are dressing to attract others, or dressing to impress others. Its a trap. I can see how foolish they can be. Thats a judgement, but its a righteous judgement. Now as to speaking ill of that person in judgement, I would only do so if so directed by the Holy Spirit. If I were to speak ill of said person WITHOUT the Lord's direction, that would be unrighteous judgement, even if true. I judge food to be good or bad. I judge politicians to be good or bad. But in neither case do I broadcast it into public vocals. Its okay for your mind which was created by God to see some things as bad, and some things as good.

Here is the pinnacle of the problem. We arent good at righteous judgement, and the delivery of it. God is. We may get the brass tacks of the matter correct, but the delivery wrong, and so put the plank in our own eye. We sometimes even get the matter incorrect from lack of knowledge about the situation. Its not that we shouldnt judge at all, its that we should not assume our judgement is righteous, so keep your mouth shut about the judgements you make concerning others. If on the other hand, the Holy Spirit directs you to speak in judgement of others, do it without holding back, for God uses us to make HIS judgements known. Its said that if we were to judge ourselves versus others, we would be better off. Judging what clothes I should wear helps me to be better off. On the other hand, NOT judging food that I know isnt good for me, and eat it, thats my own foolishness, and I SHOULD judge myself more so in the area, so to become wiser and to remember my body is a temple of the Lord.

Judgement isnt bad, poor judgement and poor delivery of it is. Most of us arent able to to be good at it, so scripture tells us to not judge others, as in vocally or even non vocally if left to fester in the heart, to produce sin. Like is says in scripture, in your anger, do not sin! Same with judgement.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

We all judge all the time, even those who say dont do it. I judge clothes to be a covering for me, I dress modestly, no tight britches, or tight shirt, trying to show off my body. I see many dress without modesty all the time at work. They are dressing to attract others, or dressing to impress others. Its a trap. I can see how foolish they can be. Thats a judgement, but its a righteous judgement. Now as to speaking ill of that person in judgement, I would only do so if so directed by the Holy Spirit. If I were to speak ill of said person WITHOUT the Lord's direction, that would be unrighteous judgement, even if true. I judge food to be good or bad. I judge politicians to be good or bad. But in neither case do I broadcast it into public vocals. Its okay for your mind which was created by God to see some things as bad, and some things as good.

Here is the pinnacle of the problem. We arent good at righteous judgement, and the delivery of it. God is. We may get the brass tacks of the matter correct, but the delivery wrong, and so put the plank in our own eye. We sometimes even get the matter incorrect from lack of knowledge about the situation. Its not that we shouldnt judge at all, its that we should not assume our judgement is righteous, so keep your mouth shut about the judgements you make concerning others. If on the other hand, the Holy Spirit directs you to speak in judgement of others, do it without holding back, for God uses us to make HIS judgements known. Its said that if we were to judge ourselves versus others, we would be better off. Judging what clothes I should wear helps me to be better off. On the other hand, NOT judging food that I know isnt good for me, and eat it, thats my own foolishness, and I SHOULD judge myself more so in the area, so to become wiser and to remember my body is a temple of the Lord.

Judgement isnt bad, poor judgement and poor delivery of it is. Most of us arent able to to be good at it, so scripture tells us to not judge others, as in vocally or even non vocally if left to fester in the heart, to produce sin. Like is says in scripture, in your anger, do not sin! Same with judgement.

You're right, as far as it goes...Judging clothes to wear, you see them through and through...People now...Hmmm Now that's a different story...You cannot see the heart of the person you judge...You cannot see the history, you cannot see the feelings, the thoughts, the hurts, the needs....Without all that, how could one possibly judge fairly and justly? And too, as I said above, Jesus does not judge people at this time...so why do we?

 

[Brad Huber]

Jesus judged the money changers vocally, He judged the pharisees, the saducees, and the scribes. Most prophets judge people on a regular basis, books in the OT are full of them. Nathan judged David. All righteous judgements. The difference being.....

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Jesus judged the money changers vocally, He judged the pharisees, the saducees, and the scribes. Most prophets judge people on a regular basis, books in the OT are full of them. Nathan judged David. All righteous judgements. The difference being.....

LOL Jesus did not judge the people at all, He judged their actions, and stopped it. If He was indeed judging at all. He did not condemn anybody, He did not send anybody to hell.... More thought, my friend.

 

[Brad Huber]

LOL Jesus did not judge the people at all, He judged their actions, and stopped it. If He was indeed judging at all. He did not condemn anybody, He did not send anybody to hell.... More thought, my friend.

But when we talk of judgement, its not that we are sending them to hell for punishment. When we talk of judgement, its because someone has "vocally" pronounced something bad in another (or typed it-out for public speculation). Yes, actions can be judged but even some actions shouldnt be judged vocally or printed publically, back to the board in the eye thing.

 

[Reba1]

Correct....And what right have we to judge others....We are told NOT to judge others....Simple as that.

We are told to judge a righteous judgement

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

We are told to judge a righteous judgement

We are told to judge among ourselves...as in the settling of disputes....Not railing on one another, saying how bad bad bad they are....None of us is in any position to judge others...situations yes but people NO

 

[Brad Huber]

We are told to judge among ourselves...as in the settling of disputes....Not railing on one another, saying how bad bad bad they are....None of us is in any position to judge others...situations yes but people NO

What you are saying I think, is that some people take criticism as calling them bad, even if its only actions we are speaking of. To me, thats another example of bad delivery of criticism.