House passes bill to protect same-sex marriage in landmark vote sending it to Biden

[Jesus_is_LORD]

House passes bill to protect same-sex marriage in landmark vote sending it to Biden | CNN Politics

The House voted to pass legislation on Thursday to protect same-sex and interracial marriage, the last step before the measure goes to President Joe Biden for his signature and becomes law.

www.cnn.com

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

USA is begging for God's judgment, which is already here.

Lord help us.

 

[PloughBoy]

USA is begging for God's judgment, which is already here.

Lord help us.

Some how you have missed the Boat or do not understand "Romans Chapter One" stay out of those commentaries is good advice.
But I do see you peeking out. "which is already here".

That is "The JUDGMENT of GOD" The "Condemnation" has not come. The passing of such Laws is "THE JUDGMENT of GOD" Fallen.
But many christians do not understand the Book they understand "commentaries" written and explain by men and women. That is why they spend money on books instead of Just reading the Book and letting The Father instruct them in The Ancient Writings. And I see you do not see "The JUDGMENT of GOD" that Has Fallen upon The Whole WORLD. And Still His Judgment has "Mercy and Grace" all in it, Then afterwards, after Judgment, Then "The WRATH" of The Lamb and The FATHER will come. Then, no mercy, no grace. Nothing But THE TERROR of THE LORD"

And it is well known, that many, do not know, "The FEAR" of The LORD". Evidently He has Not revealed that to them, So they cannot proclaim that Portion of "The Gospel ACCORDING to JESUS The Christ of GOD"
New King James Version
Knowing, therefore, THE TERROR OF THE LORD, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore, Knowing The Fear Of The Lord, we persuade people, but we are well known to God; and I hope that we are also well known in your consciences.

It is a Dispensation of GOD given by GOD it seems to some and not all. "Knowing The Terror of The LORD"" We persuade people "Snatching Them, out of the Fire"! "It is By My SPIRIT Says The LORD" The Anointed ones who carries this type of Message, MAKES men and woman And Children Tremble!

PloughBoy: You will dream tonight, you will meditate during The day hours, and you will wonder of That day and That Hour. How "The SON of The LIVING GOD", will make His Approach, "EYES LIKE FLAMING FIRE" Hair WHITE AS WOOL, FEET like Polish Brass, Vesture Dripping In BLOOD! And A Sword in His Mouth, Which is The WORD of GOD! And If HE comes in The Midnight Hour, Those RED EYES Piercing The Darkness of The NIGHT and It Will display The LIGHT of TERROR, STRIKING The NIGHT! And The Darkness Comprehended it Not! His Appearance, Struck Fear to The DARK! And the night could not hide from The LIGHT, For He is, The LIGHT of The WORLD! The LIGHT that Have come to All Mankind. Bearing The Fear of The LORD!


Berean Standard Bible
Then all the peoples of the earth will see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they will stand in awe of you.

King James Bible
And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.

 

[PloughBoy]

Hallelujah
And I am PloughBoy, And I am carrying the Mail !

 

[MedicBravo]

USA is begging for God's judgment, which is already here.

Lord help us.

You don't speak for all of America.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Hallelujah
And I am PloughBoy, And I am carrying the Mail !

Mail time,

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

You don't speak for all of America.

Say more.

You support gay marriage?

Or you don't think that the USA's promotion of gay marriage invites God's judgment?

 

[MedicBravo]

Say more.

You support gay marriage?

Or you don't think that the USA's promotion of gay marriage invites God's judgment?

Of course not. A Christian can NEVER support any sin especially one God calls an abomination.
That's not a marriage. Mankind can "change" it all they want. Evil cannot create. It can only ruin and destroy.
God is going to punish all of us for the actions and belief of others. That's absurd.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Of course not. A Christian can NEVER support any sin especially one God calls an abomination.
That's not a marriage. Mankind can "change" it all they want. Evil cannot create. It can only ruin and destroy.
God is going to punish all of us for the actions and belief of others. That's absurd.

In your reading of the Bible, did you every come across situations where nations were judged for the sins of the people?

Yes or No?

Have you read in the Bible where God told them to even kill the babies and children when he carried out judgment on certain nations?

If you are not familiar with those verses, let me know and I can share.

Love and God Bless,

 

[MedicBravo]

In your reading of the Bible, did you every come across situations where nations were judged for the sins of the people?

Yes or No?

Have you read in the Bible where God told them to even kill the babies and children when he carried out judgment on certain nations?

If you are not familiar with those verses, let me know and I can share.

Love and God Bless,

Like Sodom and Gomorrah? Pretty sure the only good ones left before judgment came.
There was that one woman who helped hide the spies and her and her family were not judged but the rest were killed.
As far as God's judgment goes and "killing babies and children" then if you don't truly believe He can punish His Creation however He wants you don't understand the Creator, Judge, and Authority.
Do you know about revenge? Those "children" left would have been so angry against God they would have formed a population bent on doing as Sodom and Gomorrah but also revenge for God's judgment.
God's judgements and punishments are 100% holy and just. Your opinion on them is irrelevant.

 

[B-A-C]

Like Sodom and Gomorrah? Pretty sure the only good ones left before judgment came.
There was that one woman who helped hide the spies and her and her family were not judged but the rest were killed.

Sometimes easy to get two stories mixed up.
Rahab and the spies were at Jericho. Not Sodom and Gomorrah. ( Josh 2:1-8; )

 

[MedicBravo]

Sometimes easy to get two stories mixed up.
Rahab and the spies were at Jericho. Not Sodom and Gomorrah. ( Josh 2:1-8; )

I was mentioning two different examples. I know the difference.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Like Sodom and Gomorrah? Pretty sure the only good ones left before judgment came.
There was that one woman who helped hide the spies and her and her family were not judged but the rest were killed.
As far as God's judgment goes and "killing babies and children" then if you don't truly believe He can punish His Creation however He wants you don't understand the Creator, Judge, and Authority.
Do you know about revenge? Those "children" left would have been so angry against God they would have formed a population bent on doing as Sodom and Gomorrah but also revenge for God's judgment.
God's judgements and punishments are 100% holy and just. Your opinion on them is irrelevant.

I agree God's judgments are holy and just, you must be missing my point.

You made a statement that you don't believe that God would punish all of America for just the sins of some,
so to support my original statement I directed you to the Bible to see if your opinion fit with the Holy Scriptures.

Thanks for confirming and indirectly agreeing with my statement. Stay blessed.

 

[MedicBravo]

I agree God's judgments are holy and just, you must be missing my point.

You made a statement that you don't believe that God would punish all of America for just the sins of some,
so to support my original statement I directed you to the Bible to see if your opinion fit with the Holy Scriptures.

Thanks for confirming and indirectly agreeing with my statement. Stay blessed.

Show me where God IS 100% definitive, no argument going to punish every SINGLE American, including the most devout Christians for the actions of the others.
*You can't.
Second, God knows who denies him in front of mankind.
Why America? Why not other countries who have Christians and pagans? Are they also going to be judged for the actions of others? No.
Also, the God of the OT is different than God of the NT and now. We're not sacrificing the neighbor's annoying pets for our "salvation". Until Christ our Redeemer came along the OT days were far more harsh than the NT and today.
Point is, you're the one who's idea of everyone punished for the actions of others. That's hypocritical.
Google cherry-picked verses don't work on any topic.
Proper use of the Bible includes relating passages but also their preceding and post verses given they continue with the topic at hand.
Your suggesting that no American will live to go to or be taken to Heaven. 100% un-Biblical.
I direct you to Revelation and various verses that show ALL of any group is not punished.
If they were, then Lot and his family would have been killed regardless of location. In fact, God would have never spoken to Lot nor sent the angels to get them out.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Show me where God IS 100% definitive, no argument going to punish every SINGLE American, including the most devout Christians for the actions of the others.
*You can't.

Thanks for engaging me in the discussion, much appreciated.

Lets continue. In the quote above you state that God will not punish every SINGLE American for the sins of others.
Two points. First point, let us not make a strawman argument ( What Is a Straw Man Argument? Definition and Examples )

I'm assuming that your desire is to address what I said, "USA is begging for God's judgment".
When I say USA I'm speaking of the nation, not every individual although it is related.

For example, The USA punished Russian with Sanctions which punished the "nation" of Russia.
Is that the same as "Every Single" Russian, well not necessarily.
USA can take away certain exports from Russia and the nation is punished but everyone is impacted
differently.

Some here feel that the bad economy or high gas prices is bad for USA, and it may be, but while USA
is experiencing the pinch from high gas prices, some are not because they drive electric cars.

But even though that is not my argument "EVERY SINGLE" American, but more so the "Nation as
a whole, the Bible does give reference points for that position as well as the inverse.

So let's start with the inverse; meaning good people benefiting not for their goodness but because
of the goodness of others. In the story of Noah, there is no where that I read that God speaks of the Holiness
of Noah's family, yet they were saved because God knew that He needed to procreate the world. So they
were saved on account of the goodness of another (Noah) and God's plans.

And concerning many being punished for the sins of a few, we need to look no further than Adam and Eve.
"
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"
-Romans 5:12


I need not write a Bible commentary on the verse above because I'm sure you have heard it ( I hope).
Pretty much we see that everyone was punished, the many for the sin of the one (Adam). So that is a clear example
that sin has consequences and sometimes others will be punished OR suffer from the consequences even if
they were not involved, because sin is a terrible thing.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Second, God knows who denies him in front of mankind.

Respectfully speaking, this point is irrelevant to the discussion. I'm not speaking of who will or will not deny God. Someone can still
deal with the consequences of the sins of others and that has nothing to do with them denying God or God damming them to hell.
Sin has consequences and people are impacted.

For example,
I don't have to be smoking a cigarette to suffer the consequences of 2nd hand smoke,
Innocent babies suffer the consequences of drug abuse done by their mothers as they are born impacted,
etc, etc, etc,

And in the Bible there are verses where God speaks of the children suffering for the sins of the parents.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Also, the God of the OT is different than God of the NT and now.

I'm sorry that you see it that way and I would respectfully disagree.

My friend, God doesn't change.

Now this statement "God doesn't change" doesn't mean that God isn't doing new things. God is always doing something new ( new to us).
We have the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Yet the New Covenant (Jesus/Grace) does not replace the old but fulfills it.

Jesus said "Don't think that I came to destroy the law, I didn't come to destroy the law but to fulfill it."

And God chose the people of Israel to bring forth the message, but now the Church is the vehicle (Although God will still honor those promises made to Israel yet to be fulfilled).

So the distinction my friend is what God is doing and who God is.

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, meaning God's character (Love, Justice, Patience, Holiness, etc)
does not change; yet the method in which those are displayed to us and the cultural and historical period may differ
as God shapes it for God's purpose. But God Himself, His character, His nature, is not changing.

The God in the OT is the same God in the NT.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

@MedicBravo in the human sense of language, people use the phrase "He has changed" in this way below.
Let me know if you are using it differently


John was a nice person when he was poor, but after he won the lottery he has changed.
Or
Sarah was such a cheerful person, but after her cancer, she has changed
Or
Ms. Sally was always nice to the children in the community but after her husband died, she has changed.

--And my position is God has not changed, as defining change as those statements illustrated above.--

So in your perspective, IF God has changed,
when did this change happen and what was God like before and
how is God now after the change?

 

[PloughBoy]

@MedicBravo in the human sense of language, people use the phrase "He has changed" in this way below.
Let me know if you are using it differently


John was a nice person when he was poor, but after he won the lottery he has changed.
Or
Sarah was such a cheerful person, but after her cancer, she has changed
Or
Ms. Sally was always nice to the children in the community but after her husband died, she has changed.

--And my position is God has not changed, as defining change as those statements illustrated above.--

So in your perspective, IF God has changed,
when did this change happen and what was God like before and
how is God now after the change?

You smarter and Holier than you look! Well done, The entire, Essay was Great. Give That Son a "A plus"! and "AMEN"! I knew I like you for some reason.


Your Kemosabe, PloughBoy!

 

[MedicBravo]

Does God require the same standards in the OT? No.
The two greatest commandments are timeless. Again, they didn't have Jesus for salvation. After, in the NT things changed.
God is unchanging given he is the Creator, Judge, Authority, etc.
His judgment in the OT was very harsh and even our human words and minds can only understand it to some degree. Is the NT God and now the same as the OT? No.
Aside from his inherent qualities He has changed.
Jesus was the Savior (largely) in the OT, NT on He is largely the Redeemer. God isn't so simple as to be "never changing at all" just like us. We are based off Him.
Things will change again after Jesus comes back. No need for wrathful vengeance and punishment.