How do you see coming events unfolding?

[johnny botwrigh]

looking for the correct sequence, order of events?
if possable, a clearer picture,
We have the abomination that causes desolation,?
the same abomination, spoken of by Jesus and Daniel,
Surrounding Jerusalem, then standing were it should not stand,
Some are now saying the ten heads could be Islamic countries,
And Jerusalem the Harlot, not Rome.
Not E.U countries as some believe. Ie the ten heads
Daniel chapter eleven some say the king from the north arrives in Israel three and a half years before the kings of the east. ?
Also that the anti Christ will reign from Jerusalem, though some say, he will only have an embassy there.?
I know the Main Muslim leader in Jerusalem, in the second world war, raised a Muslim army, to help Hitler, and shared the same goal, to destroy the Jewish people.
Some say, the Jews will welcome the anti Christ, and believe him to be the one they have been waiting for? The anti Christ is anti Christian, not anti Jew.?
So all this leaves a few questions, this being the case, the Jews would never accept Islam, or a Muslim leader.
Does the anti Christ take Jerusalem by force, or invited, or raised up within?
Whose armies are surrounding Jerusalem, and why/
If the kings of the east, Islam backed by china, china dependent on oil from Iran, middle east, in bed with Iran, Russia is in the frame also,
Iran now has the best fighter planes in the world, with another 175 on order, updating all its ground to air missiles, like wise the Lebanon, just received more missiles, than most countries have.
Peace peace false, then destruction comes, we know it’s written, the kings of the east, slay a third of man kind,
That would be two billion, at today’s count.
The illuminati, and those in the ruling elite pyramid, on one of their latest, monuments, states; a depopulation of the planet, down to 500.000,000 would be acceptable to them, and would welcome world war three.
Gets rid of your unemployment and pensions crisis to.

We know that there will come such a tribulation, that has not been seen before or will not be seen again, and unless God shortened those days, no one would survive,
Some say this is a spiritual tribulation, some a physical, both?
Nuclear exchange, Israel has at least 150 nuclear warheads, the kings of the east, continue their conquest from the Middle East.
If it is the kings of the east surrounding Jerusalem, it could be true to say that Islam is the abomination that causes desolation?
The Mongol armies in the past, came all the way to Poland, across the steps, Plaines.
Then there is the battle of Armagenon, and Ezekiel speaks of mog and gog, we know satan gathers these hordes after he has been bound for a thousand years, and God puts a hook, through their jaw, and brings them down to slaughter at Israel.
But there is a mention of another battle, where a large force descends from the north, and is defeated, at Israel, and takes 7 months to bury the dead, and cleanse the land,
Some say one battle is prior to the return of Jesus, and one is the final battle,
We see also at the return of Jesus, Israel, Jerusalem, is under captivity, the anti Christ and his forces are driven back, and defeated, when, Jesus
Returns in great power and glory, with the host of heaven with him.
We also know one of the riders when the seals are open, is given a sword to take peace from the earth, some say God will use Islam, to bring war, judgement falling on both east and west.
And through this God will bring the religious Islam and political power down
The west?
If any one can unravel these events, and put them in correct sequence,
And create a clearer picture, as to how things could unfold in the days to come, be my guest.
The last time the United Kingdom was invaded, conquered was 1066 by William the Conquer,
The English King was shot in the eye with an arrow.
Just a thought, I wonder

EYE , LOOK, SEE ARROW POINTING >
If we take 1066 and go 06/06/2010 if any event will again happen around this dates, that will be significant to the united kingdom,
Or if we take 06/06/2010 and go 6+6 = 12 2+10=12
The 12th of the 12th
Now a lot of talk regarding the December 212012 johnny

 

[johnny botwrigh]

a good reply,

• Re: How do you see coming events unfolding?

by veteran on Thu May 20, 2010 3:39 am
Well, sounds like you've been paying attention to various end time views, which is a sign you want to actually know what God's Word really teaches about the end. That's good, because others have given up trying to discover it.

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>looking for the correct sequence, order of events?
if possable, a clearer picture,
We have the abomination that causes desolation,?
the same abomination, spoken of by Jesus and Daniel,

Surrounding Jerusalem, then standing were it should not stand,
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Study more in Daniel 11 and what Antiochus Epiphanes did in 170 B.C. Jerusalem. The placing of the abomination that makes desolate involves placing of an idol for false worship, which is what Antiochus did in the temple in Jerusalem. Don't confuse that word 'desolation' with destruction by armies. It's two separate things. Ezekiel 8 gives a picture of the placement of an image of jealousy, an idol, that causes God to go afar off from His sanctuary in Jerusalem. That's the "abomination of desolation" meaning. It's about causing desolation in the temple by the setting up of idol worship, a much worse type of desolation than a destruction by armies. This is why false idol worship happens first in the last days, and then the "sudden destruction" that ends it with Christ's coming. The northern armies of Ezekiel 38 & 39 come upon Israel on the last day of this world to try and fully destroy them. The AOD happens prior to that, and will involve false worship (the image of the beast setup at the end of Rev.13).

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>Some are now saying the ten heads could be Islamic countries,
And Jerusalem the Harlot, not Rome.
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Ezekiel 38 gives the list of nations joined at the very end who come up against Israel on the final day. Some of those on that list are Islamic nations which have been trying to destroy Israel for a long time. The word "chief" in "chief prince of Meshech" (Ezek.38:3) is the word 'rosh', and points to Russia. That just so happens to be one of the non-Islamic nations today that supports Islamic nations against Israel. So watch other non-Islamic nations outside the middleast that in turn ally with Russia (like China, North Korea, etc.).

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>Daniel chapter eleven some say the king from the north arrives in Israel three and a half years before the kings of the east. ?
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That's about the prep for setting up the abomination of desolation to start idol worship for all nations. See the pattern of the king of Assyria in Isaiah 10 coming out of the north city by city towards Jerusalem. That may be how false messiah (king of the north) will arrive on the world stage. Antiochus' army conquered Jerusalem, and then setup the idol after he'd taken the city. But Ezekiel 38 when the great army comes out of the northern quarters to destroy Israel, that's the Armageddon event that will end this world, because Christ will step in to stop that army (per Ezek.39). That will be the gathering of the nation's armies to surround Jerusalem of Zeph.3:8 and Luke 21:22.

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>Also that the anti Christ will reign from Jerusalem, though some say, he will only have an embassy there.?
I know the Main Muslim leader in Jerusalem, in the second world war, raised a Muslim army, to help Hitler, and shared the same goal, to destroy the Jewish people.
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2 Thess.2, Matt.24, Mark 13, and Rev.13 through 18 shows a particular antichrist will reign as king in Jerusalem for a time prior to the great destruction of the Ezek.38 armies by Christ's coming at Armageddon. 2 Thess.2:3-4 and Rev.11:1-2 hint that another Jewish temple will exist for that.

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>Some say, the Jews will welcome the anti Christ, and believe him to be the one they have been waiting for? The anti Christ is anti Christian, not anti Jew.?

So all this leaves a few questions, this being the case, the Jews would never accept Islam, or a Muslim leader.

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Right. Not just unbelieving Jews will accept and worship that false king messiah, but anyone that is deceived about that false one's identity and time of coming, including deceived brother Christians. That is one way to know that false one must do supernatural wonders on earth to deceive with, miracles like it says at the end of Rev.13. A show of miracle working won't be enough to prove our Lord Jesus has returned. We must stay in God's Word and understand the events leading up to Christ's coming so as to stay on watch.

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>Does the anti Christ take Jerusalem by force, or invited, or raised up within?
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Dan.11 shows he will come to power with the help of a "small people", using peace and flatteries. A small people points to a small group, like traitors in the midst, the "crept in unawares" idea in God's Word. Important to note the world economy is controlled by a smaller group of wealthy individuals.

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>Whose armies are surrounding Jerusalem, and why/
If the kings of the east, Islam backed by china, china dependent on oil from Iran, middle east, in bed with Iran, Russia is in the frame also,
Iran now has the best fighter planes in the world, with another 175 on order, updating all its ground to air missiles, like wise the Lebanon, just received more missiles, than most countries have.
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You're on the right track. But there's also a lesser known history of financiers in the West who supported the 1917 October Revolution in Russia, and also gave funds to help Hitler build his war machine. There's also evidence some in the West allowed war materials to filter to North Vietnam via Poland when our U.S. soldiers were dying in battle against the North Vietnamese Communists. Don't be surprised when the world eventually learns about that history. Afterall, the U.S. Lend-lease program of 1940 established by FDR helped build the Soviet military machine that became such a threat after WWII. International financiers often have funded both sides of a conflict. The Ezek.38 nation list shows nothing of western nations participating in the coming upon Israel.

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>Peace peace false, then destruction comes, we know it’s written, the kings of the east, slay a third of man kind,
That would be two billion, at today’s count.
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The slaying of one third in Rev.9 is a spiritual slaying of the soul, not a literal one of flesh. Recall earlier in Rev.9 the locust army is NOT allowed to kill anyone NOT sealed with God's sealing. Those not sealed is about being deceived by the false one. So if they can't kill those who don't have God's seal, what does it mean for those who do have God's sealing? It's those who stand in Christ to the end, not being deceived, the false one will target. Some of us are going to be killed.

The affect of the tribulation will be twofold. For those deceived, it will mean the spiritual killing of their souls through deception. Won't be a good thing for those Christ finds spiritually dead when He returns that have bowed in worship to the antichrist. For those not deceived, the tribulation will be according to the persecutions of Christians per history of the Church.

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>The illuminati, and those in the ruling elite pyramid, on one of their latest, monuments, states; a depopulation of the planet, down to 500.000,000 would be acceptable to them, and would welcome world war three.
Gets rid of your unemployment and pensions crisis to.
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Dan.11 declares that craft will prosper at the hand of the false messiah. That's about the idea of prosperity. Wouldn't be surprised the world economic slump of today is being created on purpose only to prepare for that false one's coming to pull it out and create a time of peace and prosperity upon the earth. That's ultimately what the one world government system is supposed to do. For today, they are removing the wealth of God's people and giving it to our enemies that hate Christ Jesus. When Jesus returns, He's going to seize back that wealth from His enemies and give it back to His people.

<CITE>johnny botwright wrote:</CITE>But there is a mention of another battle, where a large force descends from the north, and is defeated, at Israel, and takes 7 months to bury the dead, and cleanse the land,
Some say one battle is prior to the return of Jesus, and one is the final battle,
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Ezekiel 38 and 39 cover events leading up to the time of Ezekiel's temple in chapters 40 through 48 of Christ's reign on earth with His elect priests. A list of specific nations is given in Ezek.38 linked to Gog and Magog. And that alignment of nations can be discovered today in the world. But the Gog and Magog example at the end of Christ's thousand years reign has no such nation list. It's instead used in Rev.20 as a general sense of Christ's enemies that will perish with Satan. That helps separate the two times.

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[johnny botwrigh]

genral observation

just a genral observation, 1936 the great depression, 1939 the 2nd world war

Germany hyper inflation, Hitlers war machine funded by who? refined oil from where?
iluminati? mobile oil?

started by an assasination, some one pulled a trigger, and the rest is history.

I know war and reconstruction is very big business, mega bucks for those fianacing it.
how many nrmal cars wuld you have to sell, to equal one plane, or missile.
i wonder if war , conflict also answers some of the goverments other problems, and can be seen as a solution?

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in the end times discussion forum concerning, how events may unfold, particularly concerning the present situation in the middle east,
God bless johnny

 

[johnny botwrigh]

The unstopable coming, The Perfect Storm

The kings of the East. China ,North Korea,who will show no restraint. China has no regard for Buddists, Tibet , Hindu, Muslim, Christain Jew.
The mongal armies had no problem advancing all the way to Poland, cutting down every thing in their path.
I feel Russia to will desend like an avalance double crossing the Arab Alliance.
for the spoils of war, Russia to, no respecter of persons.
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Daniel 11 The King of The North, who came went away and returned with a greater force. America?
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by Shilohsfoal on Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:24 am
You havnt written of the most powerful country the world has ever seen with enough nuclear weapons to destroy every living thing on the face of this planet ten times over.The good and holy United states of America.Friend of the antichrist nation which calls itself Israel and police of the middle east.
What are the events that lead up to the US's nuking of the middle east?
DANIEL 11;44
But tidings out of the east and out of the morth shall trouble him;therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy,and utterly to make away many.
Go ahead and watch Russia when it is the US who will wipe out the middle east.It the US who polices the middle east, not Russia.
The unstopable is coming. The Perfect Storm, Global conflict, Wormwood The Destroyer, The Spoiler ?
I will do something you would not believe, even if you were tolled.!In the book of Daniel, chapter 9 verse 20 Gabriel came to Daniel, to give him understanding and insight into the vision he had just had, Gabriel had been in that vision, Daniel was also tolled to give heed to the message, and to gain understanding and insight into the vision.not every thing was clear to Daniel, concerning, what he had
been shown in the vision. In the end times, your sons and daughters will prophecy, your young men shall have visions, your old men will dream dreams. when God pours out his spirit on mankind.I recently had a very clear vivid dream/ vision , I saw an archangel in a stone building, he was swinging a metal ball and a chain., and smashing it into the wall, at first I thought it was satan,I asked the Lord if it was satan, the Lord said no, I said , Michael, the Lord said no, its Gabriel, he was tolled to stop, Gabriel’s reply was, I
can not stop, Gabriel wings and all, then walked out of the front of the church, he was given a dark piece of wood, 3 feet high, 8 inches square, he hit the piece of wood, with the metal ball, into the distance, then walked of after it , to repeat the process, to horizon to horizon, I asked the Lord, what did this mean, the Lord said, my people cannot stop doing the same things over and over again, instead of doing something new. some times its like a picture you look at it, and as you keep looking, another picture
emerges, comes to the surface. you may see another interpretation. some have said the ball and chain, speaks about the spritual bondage, some people are in, breaking the bondage, and walls of division, one man pointed out Gabriel, walking down the steps represents, Gabriel coming down from the heavenly realm, to the earthly realm, the piece of wood, means that which is made by man.The picture within the picture I can see, revealed a warning! Look among the nations.! Observe!
Be astonished! Wonder! Because I Am doing some thing in your Days, you would not believe if you were told. The book of Habakkuk.old testementAt first I thought it was satan, Lucifer, as I know the world will go after the beast, the mark of the beast, and it was given to him to make war with the saints and over come them, Revelation 13, those now working with satan, and the powers of darkness, to bring about an anti Christ reign..I asked if it was satan, the Lord said no, I asked if it was Michael, the Lord said no, its
Gabriel. Gabriel’s commission was in the past to announce the coming of Jesus, there is only 17 percent
of bible prophecy yet to be for filled, must of which is about Jesus returning for his bride, don’t get left behind, the rapture, and then the Lords return to reign, the 2nd coming. Also the opening of the six seals, before the Lord returns. Revelation chapter 6 tribulation. The six seals areThe coming of the anti Christ, War, Famine, Death, Martyrs, Cataclysm, Jesus speaks in Mathew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 of a tribulation to come, such as the world has never seen, or will see again, and unless , God shortened those days, no one would survive.The stone building being struck by Gabriel , could symbolize the
destruction of Vatican state, as told in Revelations 17. some believe to be the harlot, some believe America is the Harlot, others to believe Jerusalem, is the great Harlot. ? Because Gabriel was inside, it could mean, those inner circles, ruling elite, around the world, new world order, financial masters, running the world, for their own gains, agenda, at the expense of every one eles. G.7 the religious regimes. Free masons, skull and bones, Bilderberg, Illuminati the. Secret societys ruling elite
pyramid.striking the wall could also mean the start of tribulation. judgementGabriel declaring, he could not stop, meaning, these financial, political masters cannot stop, the coming Judgement. an unstoppable force, war, the kings of the East .who slay a third of men, Yellow stone ?, the perfect storm. The storm is coming. China, North Korea, Iran, Islam, Russia .Israel the west.?But also i believe the vision started how it did, as Judgement starts with the house of God, .The chain and the ball, could symbolize, China, , who could be used to bring war, judgement. Certainly coming
judgement. On Free masonry , Illuminati , who have brought about the financial enslavement of millions of people, masters of wall street, running America, and most of the not so free world, their judgement is coming. Begun.In revelations chapter 9 speaks of the kings of the east, and their number was 200 million, China now boasts a land army of 200 million.The sword of the Lord is out flashing like lighting from east to west, polished for slaughter, judgement..I know the Mongol Army’s crossed the plains and the Steps, all the way to Poland.In the vision Gabriel walked down the Steps with the chain and ball,
When the storm comes.some will flee in terror, some will hide in caves and ask the rocks to cover them,and some will mount up on wings, like Eagles. I was standing on the shore of Lake victoria, watching a massive electrical storm, over the lake, which is the size of England on the other side of the Lake, Genocide, was taken place, Rwanda, the slaughter was relentless, the Lord tolled me, the sword is out in Africa, the sword is out in the middle east, the sword is out in the far east, and the sword is out in Europe, the storm is coming. Its now at the door, the alarms have started to ring.North, South, East,

West. The sword is out, Z war. Also the perfect stormThe book of Habakkuk, speaks of the Lord rising up an army in the end times, to bring judgement on the world.It is also written in Habakkuk woe to them who say to a piece of wood awake, speaking of the idols pieces of wood covered with silver and gold, those trusting in their wealth and gold to save and deliver them. The Financial elite.The piece of dark wood, struck by Gabriel in the vision, from Horizon, to Horizon .Those nations around the globe. The last chapter of Habakkuk , talking of a time of economic hard ship, and how they can do nothing but wait for the day of distress, for those to arise and invade and strike them, In the book of Zephaniah it speaks of how the
Lord has prepared the sacrifice. Near is the Great day of the Lord and coming very quickly. Neither will their silver or gold be able to deliver them, on the day of the Lords wrath, And all the earth will be devoured, in the fire of His jealously, For he will make a complete end, indeed a terrifying one, of all the inhabitants of the earth.Fear God, and give him glory, because the hour of his judgement has come. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, Jesus tolled his followers the kingdom of God is within you..