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How does DNA point to the existence of a Creator?

Chad

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"How does DNA point to the existence of a Creator?"
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Over the millennia, believers in God have marshaled numerous arguments in an attempt to demonstrate God’s existence. Various forms of the cosmological, ontological, and moral arguments have been developed and refined with much success. One frequently discussed form of theistic argument has been the argument from design. The design argument has had many notable proponents from Plato to Thomas Aquinas and beyond.

While several versions of the design argument are valid and have been persuasive to many, recent discoveries at the cellular level have provided further ammunition for design proponents. In 1953, researchers Francis Crick and James Watson elucidated the structure of the DNA molecule. In doing so, they discovered that DNA was a carrier of specific genetic information that takes the form of a four character digital code. This information is contained in an arraignment of four chemicals that scientists represent with the letters A, C, T, and G. The sequences of these chemicals provide the instructions necessary to assemble complex protein molecules that, in turn, help form structures diverse as eyes, wings, and legs.

As Dr. Stephen C. Meyer has noted, “As it turns out, specific regions of the DNA molecule called coding regions have the same property of “sequence specificity” or "specified complexity” that characterizes written codes, linguistic texts, and protein molecules. Just as the letters in the alphabet of a written language may convey a particular message depending on their arrangement, so too do the sequences of nucleotide bases (the A’s, T’s, G’s, and C’s) inscribed along the spine of a DNA molecule convey a precise set of instructions for building proteins within the cell.”

The information-bearing properties in the DNA molecule seem obvious. However, does this fact, by itself, force us to infer an Intelligent Designer as the cause of this intelligence? Meyer continues, “Whether we are looking at a hieroglyphic inscription, a section of text in a book, or computer software, if you have information, and you trace it back to its source, invariably you come to an intelligence. Therefore, when you find information inscribed along the backbone of the DNA molecule in the cell, the most rational inference, based upon our repeated experience, is that an intelligence of some kind played a role in the origin of that information.”

The information-rich features of DNA provide further confirmation that our universe was created and designed by God. As the Apostle Paul said in his letter to the church at Rome, “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse” (Romans 1:20). This inspired utterance seems more obvious now than when it was originally written nearly 2,000 years ago.
 
DNA proves the existence of God because there is a little thing in our universe called ENTROPY. Entropy means that things go from good to bad, things deteriorate and become less organized. Since DNA is INCREDIBLY complex, it is clear that according to the laws of entropy, DNA didn't "just happen". In order words, order cannot come from disorder. People who believe in evolution and that DNA created itself believe in reverse-entropy, which is a retarded theory that even a 7 year old can shoot down.

Which came first? The DNA or the RNA? According to the laws of science you need RNA to make DNA, just as you need DNA to make RNA. The answer, is that God made them both at the same time!
 
Chad/Brothers/Sisters, These are (2) chapters from the "Little Book" of Revelation Chapter 10, Please Read and Study, Seek and You Will Find.


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Now though a luminary rose and set for seven true days at Creation as a great cosmic finger pointing at the prophet Moses, seventh from Abraham, and at the Saturday Sabbath as representative of his Law, yet notice that our sun was created on the fourth day and was therefore not this luminary (and compare “like the light of the seven days” of Isaiah 30:26), but rather that our earth and sun, moon and stars together are contained within the hollowed out “expanse” formed by God within a watery sphere, which is a planet, on the next highest order of magnitude, where our galaxies are molecules and our solar systems atoms (and that our earth is round and hangs unsupported in space is the clear teaching of Isaiah 40:22 and Job 26:7), so that the revolution of this supernal earth once about its axis would truly involve the passage of an aeon of time, which may be called a geologic age, here below. Thus there are supernal and lower heavens, which are, of course, expanses of outer space, as there are a hollowed out supernal watery earth (though we might be in a bubble, or we might be in the fire at its core — or it might be the postulated curvature of the universe alone being expressed here in a figure) and this one placed within it. And so the Scripture says in Psalm 148:4, “Let the heaven of heavens praise Him, and the waters that are above the heavens.” Yes, truly, “Let everyone who breathes praise the LORD. Hallelujah!” (150:6).

Surely the astounding degree of correspondence between the creation narrative of the Law and what is now known of this issue from other sources represents in itself a mighty witness for the supernatural origin of the Bible and far from the opposite, the attacks of open enemies and the dissimulating defense of false advocates quite aside. And the Lord’s prophet, speaking of the divine use of a new technique, that of verbal inspiration, in the giving to come of that perfection of knowledge and prophecy, that is, the book of Revelation, the Word in its journey toward us, in accord with the true saying, “Behold, I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves: be therefore wise as serpents, but yet unmixed in loyalty as doves.” of Matthew 10:16, having had earlier to pass as though through a gauntlet first of Israelite and then of Greek wolves, says in I Corinthians 13:8-13, “Love will have no end. But whether there are prophecies, they will be done away with; or tongues, they will cease; or knowledge, it will be done away with; because we know partially and we prophesy partially. When that which is perfect comes, however, that which is partial will be done away with. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see things enigmatically through a looking glass; but then face to face. I know now partially; but then I will know fully, just as I am fully known. So there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.” And the “love” spoken of here is of course that love distinct to Scripture, which is world lower class solidarity.

All the multitudinous characteristics of life displaying each one transcendent genius radiate forth from physical entities called chromosomes and genes, arranged as the components of chromosome chains. Now these chromosome chains, which are, again, physical entities, are in each species of a specific and distinct physical form. Who programmed these chains? From whom came the true genius behind the Venus flytrap reflected in the affairs of the mindless plant? From whom came the true self-aware intelligence behind the artificial intelligence of all life, that indeed programmed all life as we would computers? Thus input from a self-aware disembodied mind extraneous to the beings in question (and ourselves knowing how large and complex an organ the source and seat of intelligence in man is), which might as well be called a spirit, is in each case the long sought for mechanism of evolution — itself a type of the displacement of great Babylon, likened in Scripture to an ancient dinosaur, as though by weak and diminutive mammals, to come — and as this issue is addressed elsewhere. Now where there is life, there are chromosome chains for the great collective or group spirits, the spirits of all life, to program, but where life is absent — though the likeness of all the world is a bird that is born, a peacock that develops, called “good” straight through by our Lord, but then “very good” when completed — there can only be a blind groping and a throwing out of more and more matter by that “angel having authority over fire” of Revelation 14:18, and then the casting forth of oceans by the “angel of the waters” of 16:5, seeking for life. And is it not true that this earth of ours is so finely balanced in regard to such a host of variables that must be each one exactly so for intelligent life (and well-nigh life at all) to ever emerge, that its existence is a statistical impossibility? And, the seeming potential for this in man aside, is it merely fortuitous that during the course of billions of years of evolutionary activity life has somehow failed to evolve its own destroyers? And just what is gravity? Is it energy or is it matter? Or is it perhaps nothing at all, the open interweaving of the miraculous with the fabric of the world right before our eyes here and now, one further chink in the machine-like facade of what is speciously called “nature” behind which can be seen the grinning Face of the God mocking at the arrogance and conceit of the rulers. And if all matter is congealed energy and resolves itself back to energy again, and the energy then recongeals once more, we must yet affirm that the ultimate ground and root of “motion,” that is, the causality displayed in all this, is again an extraneous mind and will, which is to say our God, the Self-existent one, the Root of all being, blessed be He, and exalted be the remembrance of His glorious Name forever.

And what do those truly seek who since the rise of capitalism and imperialism have attacked us with such persistence and enthusiasm? Is it not the transformation of Christian idealism into a free-floating though now irrational value cut off from its source and guide in revealed religion that then, seeking of itself a transcendent cause, will freely adhere to concepts and goals put forward by the elite — “free enterprise,” nationalism, racism, imperialism, and even war itself? But woeful and piteous is our state, for who could have thought that the world’s other half would be found dominated by even more vicious and “progressive” forces than these mighty worms of Wall Street that lord it over us? And that, of course, for ourselves, the world’s true and sole international and non-national element, is the crux of our dilemma and our Gordian knot.

—BarryI.Hyman
CHRISTIAN REVOLUTIONARY BROTHERHOOD


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<st1:stockticker></st1:stockticker> “For what is unseen of Him yet is clearly seen, being understood by the creation of the world, by what has been made, even His eternal power and deity” (Romans 1:20). Now surely design implies a designer, as an effect requires a cause. And so is empirical witness borne today of the emergence from the primeval void, from a nonuniformitarian zone of unstructured randomness, of disassembled parts in the form of electrons, protons, hydrogen nuclei, which then fuse together — their likeness being that of a device to be assembled whose parts materialize as in a crate or box and then assemble themselves — into a system of programmed law, purpose, design, and balanced complexity prepared in its own terms as a background for the far greater and likely unique atomic and molecular complexity of this slight razor-edge of possibility which is our earth; followed by the implantation here, as it cannot arise of itself, of life and, for those who do not hide knowledge of the actual characteristics of so many real species, being impossible to emerge by stages or without the guidance of external genius (mutations plus natural selection plus aeons of time or not), its manifest programming from on high; and the ultimate emergence of evolved matter-generated mind. Truly the likeness of all the world is a bird that is born, a peacock that develops; and as per the main thrust of Genesis 1:1-2:3, analyzed elsewhere. Thus there is a spiritual or psychical undergirding of all matter-energy quanta, that is, of all being, and even as our Scripture affirms, that “He is before everything, and in Him everything holds together” (Colossians 1:17). And indeed an ultimate subatomic zone of contact with, zone of emanation from, the mind of the dreaming God is to be inferred from the following points of demonstrable open contact with the spiritual or psychical, of manifest nonuniformitarian discontinuity — 1) that underlying <st1:stockticker>DNA</st1:stockticker> at all times; 2) that shown by the reprogramming of life for new species, and as above; 3) that shown by the initial historic emergence of life; 4) that undergirding the subatomic level at all times; and 5) that shown by the initial historic emergence of matter-energy quanta.

“I will open my mouth in parables. I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world” (Matthew <st1:time Minute="35" Hour="13">13:35</st1:time>). And Daniel 10:1-5 describes how the prophet fasted day by day for “three weeks of days” until his fast was interrupted by the appearance of an angel. There being such a great wealth of detail having evident symbolic meaning in the book of Daniel as a whole, we are surely justified in searching for the significance of the interruption of the fast of Daniel after exactly three weeks of twenty-one days. In the context of the prophecies of the book as a whole, the number three, if symbolic, must certainly refer to the three remaining Kingdoms of the Four Kingdoms, namely, the contemporary Kingdom of Persia, as in verse 1, the Kingdom of Greece, and that of Rome to follow at the end. The rule of these empires involved humiliation and distress for the Judean people, and so they are symbolized by periods of fasting and mourning. Now it is quite obviously significant that from the time of Cyrus the Great until that of Antiochus IV, who is referred to so prominently in the predictions of chapter 11 (verses 21-30), chapters 10 through 12 forming one unit, exactly twenty-one kings ruled over Jerusalem and Judea, those being: Cyrus, Cambyses, Darius I, Xerxes I, Artaxerxes I, Xerxes II, Darius II, Artaxerxes II, Artaxerxes III, Arses, Darius III, Alexander the Great, Ptolemy I, Antigonus I, Ptolemy I again, Ptolemy II, Ptolemy III, Ptolemy IV, Ptolemy V, Antiochus III, Seleucus IV, and Antiochus IV Theos Epiphanes. Furthermore, from Judas Maccabaeus, who succeeded in essence in freeing Judea from foreign domination (though the first truly independent ruler was Simon) and in founding the Hasmonean dynasty until the Roman Emperor Vespasian, in whose days Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed — viewing the reign of Archelaus (Matthew 2:22) as subsumed within that of Augustus, he having been an utter vassal and proxy of Rome to a degree that Herod never was — exactly twenty-one additional kings ruled over Judah and Jerusalem, these being: Judas Maccabaeus, Jonathan, Simon, John Hyrcanus I, Aristobulus I, Alexander Janneus, Alexandra, Aristobulus II, Pompey, Hyrcanus II, Antigonus, Herod the Great, Augustus, Tiberius, Gaius Caligula, Claudius, Nero, Galba, Otho, Vitellius, and Vespasian. Thus we see the double grief of the rule of the Three Kingdoms of Persia, Greece and Rome over Judea symbolized by three full weeks of twenty-one days of fasting and mourning, for twenty-one kings ruled over Judea before the false dawn of the restoration of Judean independence under Judas Maccabaeus, and twenty-one additional kings from Judas on then followed each other until the city and the sanctuary were destroyed. Furthermore, if the twenty-first day of the prophet’s fast was the twenty-fourth day of the first month, then the first day of his fast was the fourth day, and the Passover, the Feast of Liberation, beginning on the fifteenth day of the first month (Leviticus 23:6), fell on the twelfth day of his fast (the number twelve, of course, being intentionally evocative), and so the twelfth fast day represents the twelfth king from Cyrus, then the Passover began for the prophet on the day symbolizing the reign of Alexander the Great, who broke the power of Persia. What can one say to the realization that the birth of our Lord, who has bequeathed to us the true Liberation, occurred during the reign of Herod the Great, the twelfth ruler from Judas Maccabaeus?

But should one ask, “Perhaps God has worked through all religions,” then “Be filled with awe and sin not; speak in your heart upon your bed, and be silent. Selah” (Psalm 4:4), for are the Eastern systems a thing distinct from philosophical speculation — or rather from the obscurantist pretense and posturing of rulers intended first and foremost to stanch lower class social inquiry and activism? And surely their “nirvana” concept can be nothing but a projection of the world-sorrow and death-wish of the later Indo-Aryans onto the metaphysical plane. And what a grotesque and abhorrent form of racial and class oppression rises from their apartheid code called “caste” all the world may plainly see. And the Book of Mormon and the Koran are mere imitations of the Scripture of truth, and as such lack authentic social relevancy and the demonstrably supernatural — and see how no work like them exists where this Christian Bible of ours was not first known. But behold now a God who is real, and a Scripture from Him that is actually true!

What then is the doctrine of God, who destroyed the dinosaurs, likeness of <st1:City><st1:place>Babylon</st1:place></st1:City>, and called a nation of slaves His own? “Blessed are the poor people,” He said, “because the Kingdom of God belongs to you; but woe to you who are rich, because you have received your consolation” (Luke 6:20, 24); and, “Hasn’t God chosen the poor people out of the world, those being rich in faith?” (James 2:5). And what is this perfect love of “Love your comrade like yourself,” but sharing all things with him in the love and light of Christ, and this is called Christian communalism, and taking counsel with him in all things, and this is called democracy? And so the Scripture witnesses in Matthew 5:3, “Blessed by the Spirit are the poor people, because the Kingdom of the Heavens belongs to them.” Religionist, communalistic, democratic — such was the life of the ancients, and such is the life restored for us through the Gospel.
— Barry I. Hyman
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Peace Be With You All
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