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the_unknown

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The Bible is full of rules. I'm trying as hard as I can to follow them. But I cant seem to follow everything to the letter. I read an article that this is not the way to be saved so you mean after giving up every worldy thing including my social life and hobbies and desire to be in a relationship WHat I've been doing all this time was for nothing! Love is another serious issue for me I don't know what love is. I had crushes but not love. How can I be saved? I feel that I need to be a "good" Christian and not be influenced by this sinful world but its hard. Its making my life miserable. How can I enjoy this life without commiting sin? Life on the other side is better so I need to sacrifice even the most important things in this life so that I could be saved. Need help it is driving me crazy thinking it over and over... Oh and another thing my life is really just trash I'm thinking why the Lord made me if He knows that I'm just not going to be a garbage of a person. The only thing that keeps me from suicide to end this patheric life is because it is a sin and I dont wanna commit any sin to somehow in a way show gratitude to the Lord.
 
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Salvation is not about rule-keeping. Its about being led by the Spirit of God through Jesus Christ into becoming the person you've been created to be. See John 3:16-17 and Ephesians 2 (especially Eph 2:8-10). Rule-keeping brings nothing but stress, depression and guilt.

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
 
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I don't really get it... does this not defeat the whole purpose of the commandments and rules in the Bible... Could I live a sinful life but still be saved? I don't understand the salvation well... Care to explain?
 
I don't really get it... does this not defeat the whole purpose of the commandments and rules in the Bible... Could I live a sinful life but still be saved? I don't understand the salvation well... Care to explain?
What it boils down to is this - I am actively engaged in the process, but I can't do it by myself. I don't have the needed power. I need God's help (see Lk 11:13).

SLE
 
Christ is the end of the Law unto righteousness to every one that believeth. There
has been much discussion of the meaning of the word “end” here. Let us see if Scripture does not
clear up this matter for us. When Christ died, He bore for Israel the curse of the Law, for they, and
they alone, were under the Law. Divine Law, being broken, does not ask for future good conduct
on the part of the infractor; but for his death,—and that only. Now Christ having died, all the claims
of the Law against that nation which had been placed under law were completely met and ended.
So that even Jews could now believe, and say, “I am dead to the Law!”
To him that believeth, therefore, Jew or Gentile, Christ, dead, buried, and risen, is the end of
law for righteousness,—in the sense of law’s disappearance from the scene! Law does not know,
or take cognizance of believers! We read in Rom 7:6 that those who had been under
the Law were discharged from the Law, brought to nought, put out of business (katargeo), with
respect to the Law! The Law has nothing to do with them, as regards righteousness.
The Scripture must be obeyed with the obedience of belief: “Ye are not under law [not under
that principle] but under grace” (the contrary principle). “Ye are brought to nothing from Christ
[literally, “put out of business from Christ”], ye who would be justified by the Law; ye are fallen
away from grace” (Gal. 5:4). Paul writes in Heb. 7:18, 19: “There is a disannulling of a foregoing
commandment, because of its weakness and unprofitableness (for the Law made nothing perfect),
and a bringing in thereupon of a better hope, through which we draw nigh unto God.” Again, “Christ
abolished in His flesh the enmity [between Jew and Gentile], even the Law of commandments
contained in ordinances” (Eph. 2:15); again, speaking as a Hebrew believer, Paul says, “Christ
blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us which was contrary to us: and He
hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross” (Col 2:14).
If these Scriptures do not set forth a complete closing up of any believer’s account toward the
Law, or to the whole legal principle, I know nothing of the meaning of words.
The words Christ is the end of the Law, cannot mean Christ is the “fulfilment of what the law
required.” The Law required obedience to precepts—or death for disobedience. Now Christ died!
If it be answered, that before He died He fulfilled the claims of the Law, kept it perfectly, and that
this law-keeping of Christ was reckoned as over against the Israelite’s breaking of the Law, then I
ask, Why should Christ die? If the claims of the Law were met in Christ’s earthly obedience, and
if that earthly life of obedience is “reckoned to those who believe” the curse of the Law has been
removed by “vicarious law-keeping.” Why should Christ die?
Now this idea of Christ’s keeping the Law for “us” (for they will include us among the Israelites!
although the Law was not given us Gentiles), is a deadly heresy, no matter who teaches it. Paul
tells us plainly how the curse of the Law was removed: “Christ redeemed us,” (meaning Jewish
believers), “from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us” (Gal. 3:13). And how He
became a curse, is seen in Deuteronomy 21:23: “He that is hanged is accursed of God.” It was on
the cross, not by an “earthly life of obedience,” that Christ bore the Law’s curse!
There was no law given “which could make alive,” Paul says; “otherwise righteousness would
have been by it.” Therefore those who speak of Christ as taking the place of fulfilling the Law for
us,—as “the object at which the Law aimed” (Alford); or, “the fulfilment or accomplishment of
the Law” (Calvin); give the Law an office that God did not give it. There is not in all Scripture a
hint of the doctrine that Christ’s earthly life—His obedience as a man under the Law, is “put to the
account” of any sinner whatsoever! That obedience, which was perfect, was in order that He might
“present Himself through the eternal Spirit without spot unto God,” as a sin-offering. It also was
in order to His sacrificial death, as “a curse,” for Israel.
The gospel does not begin for any sinner, Jew or Gentile, until the cross: “I delivered unto you
first of all, that Christ died for our sins” (I Cor. 15:3).
And for those under the Law, that was the end (telos) of the law. The Law had not been given
to Israel at the beginning as a nation. They came out of Egypt, delivered from Divine wrath by the
shed blood of the passover; and from Egypt itself by the passage of the Red Sea; Jehovah being
with them. Go now to Elim with its “twelve wells of water and three score and ten palm trees”:
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there the nation is encamped with their God. They have yet not been put under law at all. The Rock
is smitten, giving them drink, and Manna, the bread of heaven, is given, all before Sinai!
Therefore we must believe God when He says in Romans 5:20: “The Law came in [not as an
essential, but] as a circumstantial thing.” (The Greek word, pareis lthe, “came in along-side,” can
mean nothing else.)
In Paul’s explanation of God’s dealing with Israel in 9:31-33; 10:5-10; 11:5,6, the meaning of
this word telos “end,” appears: that, when an Israelite believed on Christ he was as completely
through with the Law for righteousness as if it had never been given. He had righteousness by
another way!
The vast discussion among commentators concerning the expression “the end of the Law,”
would never have been, had it been recognized: (1) that God gave the Law only to Israel—as He
said; (2) that it was a temporary thing, a “ministration of death,” to reveal sin, and therefore the
necessity of Christ’s death; (3) that Christ having come, the day of the Law was over—it was
“annulled” see Heb. 7:18.
It is because Reformed theology has kept us Gentiles under the Law,—if not as a means of
righteousness, then as “a rule of life,” that all the trouble has arisen. The Law is no more a rule of
life than it is a means of righteousness
. Walking in the Spirit has now taken the place of walking
by ordinances. God has another principle under which He has put his saints: “Ye are not under law,
but, under grace!

 
The Bible is full of rules. I'm trying as hard as I can to follow them. But I cant seem to follow everything to the letter. I read an article that this is not the way to be saved so you mean after giving up every worldy thing including my social life and hobbies and desire to be in a relationship WHat I've been doing all this time was for nothing! Love is another serious issue for me I don't know what love is. I had crushes but not love. How can I be saved? I feel that I need to be a "good" Christian and not be influenced by this sinful world but its hard. Its making my life miserable. How can I enjoy this life without commiting sin? Life on the other side is better so I need to sacrifice even the most important things in this life so that I could be saved. Need help it is driving me crazy thinking it over and over... Oh and another thing my life is really just trash I'm thinking why the Lord made me if He knows that I'm just not going to be a garbage of a person. The only thing that keeps me from suicide to end this patheric life is because it is a sin and I dont wanna commit any sin to somehow in a way show gratitude to the Lord.

You sort of have the cart before the horse---The rules and disciplines in the scripture aren't for the unsaved to try to follow as a means for salvation---Salvation is a free gift to all---There is the gift of repentance that the Lord grants us which enables us to earnestly desire to change and be free from the shackles of sin---So with that you surrender all to Him even your desire to perfect yourself---It's a matter of breaking the human pride, bending the knee to Him and saying, "I can't", and asking Him to take over---The Christian disciplines are sort of like eating lots of tasty but unhealthy foods that actually weaken you---And then eating raw veggies etc. which at first are very bland and dull---But after awhile you begin to notice a huge change, you're thinking clearer, losing unnecessary weight, feeling better about yourself and enjoying a level of health you didn't know existed---So now the veggies are your friend and no longer a mean set of hard disciplines to follow----You'll find it to be the same way as you begin to experience Gods love to you and through you to others----As far as your being trash/garbage---Well welcome to the family of human refuge that the Lord redeemed along the way.

Happy
 
Welcome Unknown one.

You sound lost, that is wonderful.

You are the very one Jesus came to rescue.

Experience the profound freedom that Jesus Christ offers.

Experience a love so deep and divine, you will be stunned.

Oh, and by the way, in addition you will also receive at no extra cost an immortal, indestructable body. With which you can spend eternity in paradise.

This is God's promise and He does not lie.
 
Hello,
It seems like you've already received a lot of good advice but this is the way I've come to understand it.

Getting in to heaven is like getting in to China. You need something special to get into China, and you need something special to get into heaven. For China you will need a visa, for heaven you need Jesus Christ and the salvation that God provides in his name. (By believing and taking it for your own and repenting of sin.) John 3:16

Now when you go to China you'll spend Chinese money there - Yuan. When you go to heaven you have treasure there as well. The treasure you have in heaven are good works that you have done on earth. Matthew 6:19,20

What good is it to save up heaps of Yuan but never get to China because you have yet to get a visa? Likewise, what good is it to do heaps of good works but never get to heaven because you don't have Jesus as your Lord. There are many people who do good works but they amount to nothing because they don't have Christ.
Matthew 7:22,23

So, Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, and the good works are the treasure you have when you get there. But you need Jesus, or everything else is a waste of time. Once you have Jesus, it your good works which testify of this. James 2:17

Best wishes,
late4dinner
 
The Bible is full of rules. I'm trying as hard as I can to follow them. But I cant seem to follow everything to the letter. I read an article that this is not the way to be saved so you mean after giving up every worldy thing including my social life and hobbies and desire to be in a relationship WHat I've been doing all this time was for nothing! Love is another serious issue for me I don't know what love is. I had crushes but not love. How can I be saved? I feel that I need to be a "good" Christian and not be influenced by this sinful world but its hard. Its making my life miserable. How can I enjoy this life without commiting sin? Life on the other side is better so I need to sacrifice even the most important things in this life so that I could be saved. Need help it is driving me crazy thinking it over and over... Oh and another thing my life is really just trash I'm thinking why the Lord made me if He knows that I'm just not going to be a garbage of a person. The only thing that keeps me from suicide to end this patheric life is because it is a sin and I dont wanna commit any sin to somehow in a way show gratitude to the Lord.

Hi,

Please read Acts 2:38 and do it ! Then after receiving the Holy Spirit you will you have the power to overcome in your life. When I received the Holy Spirit I spoke in tongues and so will you.
 
John10:7-11
Then Jesus said to them again,"Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep
All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters in by Me he will be saved,and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. I am the good sheperd. The good sheperd gives His life for the sheep.

being saved doesn't mean you are automatically perfect and we know this because noone is perfect and without sin, but when you are saved it means you have a personal relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus who gave His life so that we may have redemption from our sins. If we were all perfect we would have no need of a Savior at all, but God knowing we aren't perfect set a perfect plan in which His own Son Jesus would become our salvation...He would be our way to eternal life and by taking Him as Lord and Savior of your life, repenting of your sins and knowing in your heart that He did this for you and gave you this gift because He loves you so much is what makes you saved. Once we become saved its knowing and loving Jesus thats makes us strive to follow those laws He has set before us and live our lives the best we can for Him. This doesn't mean we become perfect but it does mean that through our Lord we are made whole and become a new creature in Him...this means we turn from our old ways unto the new man and the ways of the Lord.

You also talked about not knowing why God created you and that you feel you life is garbage...my friend God loves you and sees you as precious...you are more valuable and precious to our Lord than you can even imagine and He has a purpose for you in this life.
God does not make mistakes and you are no piece of garbage...you were created by the Living God who formed you in your mother's womb and gave you life..the very God who knew you before you were born or before you had form. He knows your heart, mind and soul better than anyone else ever could.

Jesus said He was the door and all who enter in by Him are saved...To be forgiven of sin through the shedding of His precious blood, to know Him and have Him as your Lord and Savior is what it means to be saved. Jesus gives us peace and a sound mind it is the enemy who wants to plant doubt in your my friend...lean on Jesus and His understanding not your own for we can not on our own achieve salvation nor can we earn it...it was given to us by the grace and mercy of our Lord. Keep in the written word of our Lord and pray and talk to Him often. The enemy will seek and try to destroy but remember through Jesus our Lord we are victorious.

God bless and keep you always
 
The Bible is full of rules. I'm trying as hard as I can to follow them. But I cant seem to follow everything to the letter. I read an article that this is not the way to be saved so you mean after giving up every worldy thing including my social life and hobbies and desire to be in a relationship WHat I've been doing all this time was for nothing! Love is another serious issue for me I don't know what love is. I had crushes but not love. How can I be saved? I feel that I need to be a "good" Christian and not be influenced by this sinful world but its hard. Its making my life miserable. How can I enjoy this life without commiting sin? Life on the other side is better so I need to sacrifice even the most important things in this life so that I could be saved. Need help it is driving me crazy thinking it over and over... Oh and another thing my life is really just trash I'm thinking why the Lord made me if He knows that I'm just not going to be a garbage of a person. The only thing that keeps me from suicide to end this patheric life is because it is a sin and I dont wanna commit any sin to somehow in a way show gratitude to the Lord.

Hello, the_unknown

Peace be unto you.

You're going to hear a lot of different things while on your search for the truth. I could tell you how I got saved, and it would differ from how others will tell you that they got saved. I don't see much point in adding to your confusion right now.

I will tell you that I too thought about suicide ... a lot, for years, almost on a daily basis, most of the time. I couldn't ever do it because I was fairly confident that there was a God, and I didn't want to upset Him. I had to stick around to find out what He wanted from me. I searched the Bible often, and I think that I knew even then that I would find the answers that I was looking for, if I just kept at it.

I was just unhappy about pretty much everything to do with life. I was so stressed and tense about everything that I lived with tightness in my chest for years. I was miserable. I had been to church, had even gotten "saved", but I questioned everything. I didn't feel saved, and the more that I read the Bible, the more I questioned my salvation. I asked other people questions, listened to what they had to say, and went and compared it to scripture. It was tremendously frustrating at times, but I wanted to know the truth and figured that this was the only way that I was going to get it. There is a lot of confusion out there, but the Bible tells me that that is how it is going to be.

Well, to shorten a long story; after over twenty years, about two years ago, I finally attained what I had been searching for. Not that I am totally trouble free, by no means, but I see my life in a different light now. I see purpose to my life that I don't think I ever saw before. And, for me, it's important that my life mean something.

Read and pray often,

I'll try to help you in any way that I can, just let me know.

I Peter 3:10 FOR HE THAT WILL LOVE LIFE, AND SEE GOOD DAYS, LET HIM REFRAIN HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL, AND HIS LIPS THAT THEY SPEAK NO GUILE:

I Peter 3:11 LET HIM ESCHEW EVIL, AND DO GOOD; LET HIM SEEK PEACE, AND ENSUE IT.

I Peter 3:12 FOR THE EYES OF THE LORD ARE OVER THE RIGHTEOUS, AND HIS EARS ARE OPEN UNTO THEIR PRAYERS: BUT THE FACE OF THE LORD IS AGAINST THEM THAT DO EVIL.
 
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