I have a question

[Twistie]

Why is many of those who claim the title Christian think it all good to smite people when they r down

I am seeing n I am witnessing an evil spirit dwelling in many with a title weather Christian preacher teacher prophet leader apostle

When I speak of this I get many nasty remarks what I don't get why don't you just go ponder with YH ask for His guidance don't lean on your own understanding it will lead you astray in the Long Run

When you see one down Lift them up MY YH why r they wanting to Beat the broken

My heart just get real sad when I see what I don't wanna see


N fyi I'm still not convinced with the whole suicide theology thingy Christians r claiming n so

I'm going to ponder with YH for this is just not about me but many grieving parents n children


I'm thinking what about those who drove them to it

I cant see YH as merciless like many do He can't b boxed n His way is not ours

Hope alls is well with Yall

Twistie

 

[Bill]

Why is many of those who claim the title Christian think it all good to smite people when they r down

I am seeing n I am witnessing an evil spirit dwelling in many with a title weather Christian preacher teacher prophet leader apostle

When I speak of this I get many nasty remarks what I don't get why don't you just go ponder with YH ask for His guidance don't lean on your own understanding it will lead you astray in the Long Run

When you see one down Lift them up MY YH why r they wanting to Beat the broken

My heart just get real sad when I see what I don't wanna see


N fyi I'm still not convinced with the whole suicide theology thingy Christians r claiming n so

I'm going to ponder with YH for this is just not about me but many grieving parents n children


I'm thinking what about those who drove them to it

I cant see YH as merciless like many do He can't b boxed n His way is not ours

Hope alls is well with Yall

Twistie

The answer is kind of simple and yet sad at the same time. Although many have the Holy Spirit they were never taught it's okay to use the gifts as often as you want. Much of the mainstream thinking when it comes to the use of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is to let the Lord push you to use the Holy Spirit.

What happens is by not using the gifts of the Holy Spirit many people are not even familiar with what to expect or to look for when they are needed by God in that manner.

I'm sure there are a few people who are blessed with complete understanding of the gifts of the Spirit. But for many including myself it was a work in progress to learn how to recognize the movement of the Holy Spirit In Me

As the Lord said to me one time, learn to recognize my peace in your heart.

Within These threads on this website I often complain to readers about not using the gifts of the Spirit especially discernment. Like with all the gifts of the Spirit if you don't use them you're not going to get used to understanding them or recognizing them when the gifts happen. And in my personal opinion the gift of discernment is something that really needs to be worked on.

So that is my two cents worth God bless you always

 

[GodB4Us]

Why is many of those who claim the title Christian think it all good to smite people when they r down

I am seeing n I am witnessing an evil spirit dwelling in many with a title weather Christian preacher teacher prophet leader apostle

When I speak of this I get many nasty remarks what I don't get why don't you just go ponder with YH ask for His guidance don't lean on your own understanding it will lead you astray in the Long Run

When you see one down Lift them up MY YH why r they wanting to Beat the broken

My heart just get real sad when I see what I don't wanna see


N fyi I'm still not convinced with the whole suicide theology thingy Christians r claiming n so

I'm going to ponder with YH for this is just not about me but many grieving parents n children


I'm thinking what about those who drove them to it

I cant see YH as merciless like many do He can't b boxed n His way is not ours

Hope alls is well with Yall

Twistie

Can you give an example of someone smiting you down without naming names and such?

Or better yet, have I posted anything to the effect that I was smiting you down?

The answer is kind of simple and yet sad at the same time. Although many have the Holy Spirit they were never taught it's okay to use the gifts as often as you want. Much of the mainstream thinking when it comes to the use of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is to let the Lord push you to use the Holy Spirit.

What happens is by not using the gifts of the Holy Spirit many people are not even familiar with what to expect or to look for when they are needed by God in that manner.

I'm sure there are a few people who are blessed with complete understanding of the gifts of the Spirit. But for many including myself it was a work in progress to learn how to recognize the movement of the Holy Spirit In Me

As the Lord said to me one time, learn to recognize my peace in your heart.

Within These threads on this website I often complain to readers about not using the gifts of the Spirit especially discernment. Like with all the gifts of the Spirit if you don't use them you're not going to get used to understanding them or recognizing them when the gifts happen. And in my personal opinion the gift of discernment is something that really needs to be worked on.

So that is my two cents worth God bless you always

Sometimes when I smite a certain belief or a certain practice or a certain supernatural phenomenon or a certain comment down, it is only because it is not of the truth that it can cause others to go astray.

Say for example tongues for private use which many claim by receiving the Holy Spirit as separate from salvation while others say they got it at their salvation. Out of this claim about tongues for private use is the Holy Spirit supposedly using tongues to utter His own intercessions as they claim this happens when we do not know what to pray for.

Now think about that for a moment. Although many tongue speakers do not support the false teaching that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit and therefore you are not saved, they leave it wide open for doubts to come in. Those who do not speak in tongues for private use will wonder why the Holy Spirit in them is not praying for them? Then how can they not doubt they have the Holy Spirit? And so they are led astray feeling the need to experience that supernatural phenomenon of the Holy Spirit falling on them to get that tongue for private use as well as assurance that they have the Holy Spirit by a sign and are saved.

See the slippery slope? Does God show partiality within the body of Christ? No. So what gives? So the lie of tongues for private use is sowing doubts among believers about their salvation & having the Holy Ghost by faith in Jesus Christ.

That is why the real God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people and it is not to serve as a sign towards the believers for anything; not proof they are saved, not proof that they have the Holy Spirit, and not proof that they are being called into the ministry or as proof for anything ese to the believer when tongues is only to serve as a sign to unbelievers in hearing the wonderful works of God, the gospel, in their native tongue that they understand.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

But yet saved believers are ignoring the warning from the apostle John about not believing every spirit but test them 1 John 4:1 and that is by knowing the real Holy Spirit is in us as opposed to what is being felt outside of us in the world 1 John 4:4 that would take our eyes off of the Bridegroom, the Son of God, to those spirits of the antichrist that visits with signs and lying wonders.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world...
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Many saved believers will testify to feeling what they believe is the Holy Spirit falling on them but without tongues like slain in the spirit and holy laughter movement. They do not test the spirits but want to believe that experience, even pleasant ones, is of God and yet they forget there are seducing spirits that will draw believers away from the Son in seeking after them to receive again & again & again & yet the real Holy Spirit has been in them all along since salvation.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

So when saved believers begin testifying to what they believe is the encounter with the Holy Spirit falling on them, and hardly testing the spirits, I am led by the Lord to smite it down so nobody will doubt they have the Holy Spirit as promised by faith in Jesus Christ & not by a sign and they certainly do not need a continual supernatural filling when we are always Spirit-filled since salvation as a testimony from the Triune God that we are saved.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith...
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Anyway, this is an example of how the Lord is leading me to smite such sharing of this kind of phenomenon down because it sows doubts in the faith whether they intended to or not for why I test the spirits by knowing He is in us as opposed to that spirit falling on them later in life as a saved believer or even as sinners seeking a sign or proof at their salvation.

Below is why sinners should not seek a sign or proof at their salvation as if to mimic His disciples on the day of Pentecost for they were not seeking a sign then. The promise came and they had received that promise by faith in Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Below is why there is no more filling of the Spirit after salvation because when we are born again of the Spirit, we are complete in Christ so we can walk in Him and not be chasing after a filling of the Spirit as if He can leave us at any time.

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

May the Lord help us in our words and practice to align with our faith in Jesus Christ unless we start saying things and doing things that deny the faith we have in Jesus Christ for why He would deny us at the rapture event for when God will judge His House first, even though He still abides in the souls of His saints left behind as He is faithful in keeping the souls of His saints that will suffer being left behind.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

So suicide is opting out of that race for that incorruptible crown and the consequence is being a castaway, as in not resurrected at the rapture event but after the great tribulation instead. When times of suicidal thoughts come, is the time for prayer for help from Jesus Christ for His peace in the midst of the storm. One thing for sure is Jesus never taught suicide as a way out for us but instead to go to Him in prayer for help that He will overcome our tribulation for us.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

 

[Twistie]

GodB4us I'm not talking one particular thing just anyone who uses the word to put one whom is broken up is just wrong I see it happened to Job but it seems to b real easy for one who is on milk use the Word to destroy that's not what YH wants
I feel for many whos children have committed suicide at young ages n their loved ones being told they r in hell I find it sad to tell a child of a parent whom killed himself that he's in hell smh

It's written there's a time to build n a time to destroy n when one is in the grips of a horrible moment that's definitely not the time to tare them down.

Ya got people telling children they parents r gonna go to hell cause they believe this that n the other thing


It's just wrong I know quite a few people who walked away for YH because of the taring down n the constant hell thing

Wonder how they gonna feel when they Hear u evils doers I know you not.

N it's the Christians that do this both denominational n non

But no u Neva have to me


Hope all's well ᕦʕ •ᴥ•ʔᕤ Twistie ᕦᶘ ᵒ㉨ᵒᶅᕤ

 

[GodB4Us]

GodB4us I'm not talking one particular thing just anyone who uses the word to put one whom is broken up is just wrong I see it happened to Job but it seems to b real easy for one who is on milk use the Word to destroy that's not what YH wants
I feel for many whos children have committed suicide at young ages n their loved ones being told they r in hell I find it sad to tell a child of a parent whom killed himself that he's in hell smh

It's written there's a time to build n a time to destroy n when one is in the grips of a horrible moment that's definitely not the time to tare them down.

Ya got people telling children they parents r gonna go to hell cause they believe this that n the other thing


It's just wrong I know quite a few people who walked away for YH because of the taring down n the constant hell thing

Wonder how they gonna feel when they Hear u evils doers I know you not.

N it's the Christians that do this both denominational n non

But no u Neva have to me


Hope all's well ᕦʕ •ᴥ•ʔᕤ Twistie ᕦᶘ ᵒ㉨ᵒᶅᕤ

Well for those believers that have committed suicide, and I had two cousins that did commit suicide, Jesus is faithful & does a good job in keeping their souls so that He loses none of those that are saved as this is the Father's will.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So families can have that hope in Christ that they will see their departed loved ones with joy in the Lord one day.

 

[Bill]

Can you give an example of someone smiting you down without naming names and such?

Or better yet, have I posted anything to the effect that I was smiting you down?


Sometimes when I smite a certain belief or a certain practice or a certain supernatural phenomenon or a certain comment down, it is only because it is not of the truth that it can cause others to go astray.

Say for example tongues for private use which many claim by receiving the Holy Spirit as separate from salvation while others say they got it at their salvation. Out of this claim about tongues for private use is the Holy Spirit supposedly using tongues to utter His own intercessions as they claim this happens when we do not know what to pray for.

Now think about that for a moment. Although many tongue speakers do not support the false teaching that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit and therefore you are not saved, they leave it wide open for doubts to come in. Those who do not speak in tongues for private use will wonder why the Holy Spirit in them is not praying for them? Then how can they not doubt they have the Holy Spirit? And so they are led astray feeling the need to experience that supernatural phenomenon of the Holy Spirit falling on them to get that tongue for private use as well as assurance that they have the Holy Spirit by a sign and are saved.

See the slippery slope? Does God show partiality within the body of Christ? No. So what gives? So the lie of tongues for private use is sowing doubts among believers about their salvation & having the Holy Ghost by faith in Jesus Christ.

That is why the real God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people and it is not to serve as a sign towards the believers for anything; not proof they are saved, not proof that they have the Holy Spirit, and not proof that they are being called into the ministry or as proof for anything ese to the believer when tongues is only to serve as a sign to unbelievers in hearing the wonderful works of God, the gospel, in their native tongue that they understand.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

But yet saved believers are ignoring the warning from the apostle John about not believing every spirit but test them 1 John 4:1 and that is by knowing the real Holy Spirit is in us as opposed to what is being felt outside of us in the world 1 John 4:4 that would take our eyes off of the Bridegroom, the Son of God, to those spirits of the antichrist that visits with signs and lying wonders.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world...
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Many saved believers will testify to feeling what they believe is the Holy Spirit falling on them but without tongues like slain in the spirit and holy laughter movement. They do not test the spirits but want to believe that experience, even pleasant ones, is of God and yet they forget there are seducing spirits that will draw believers away from the Son in seeking after them to receive again & again & again & yet the real Holy Spirit has been in them all along since salvation.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

So when saved believers begin testifying to what they believe is the encounter with the Holy Spirit falling on them, and hardly testing the spirits, I am led by the Lord to smite it down so nobody will doubt they have the Holy Spirit as promised by faith in Jesus Christ & not by a sign and they certainly do not need a continual supernatural filling when we are always Spirit-filled since salvation as a testimony from the Triune God that we are saved.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith...
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Anyway, this is an example of how the Lord is leading me to smite such sharing of this kind of phenomenon down because it sows doubts in the faith whether they intended to or not for why I test the spirits by knowing He is in us as opposed to that spirit falling on them later in life as a saved believer or even as sinners seeking a sign or proof at their salvation.

Below is why sinners should not seek a sign or proof at their salvation as if to mimic His disciples on the day of Pentecost for they were not seeking a sign then. The promise came and they had received that promise by faith in Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Below is why there is no more filling of the Spirit after salvation because when we are born again of the Spirit, we are complete in Christ so we can walk in Him and not be chasing after a filling of the Spirit as if He can leave us at any time.

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

May the Lord help us in our words and practice to align with our faith in Jesus Christ unless we start saying things and doing things that deny the faith we have in Jesus Christ for why He would deny us at the rapture event for when God will judge His House first, even though He still abides in the souls of His saints left behind as He is faithful in keeping the souls of His saints that will suffer being left behind.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

So suicide is opting out of that race for that incorruptible crown and the consequence is being a castaway, as in not resurrected at the rapture event but after the great tribulation instead. When times of suicidal thoughts come, is the time for prayer for help from Jesus Christ for His peace in the midst of the storm. One thing for sure is Jesus never taught suicide as a way out for us but instead to go to Him in prayer for help that He will overcome our tribulation for us.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

I think you should rephrase that opening paragraph to me as saying not true in your opinion versus not true altogether. Because I can't talk about my experiences here because so if you have faith and even fewer have the gift of discernment and even if you do have the gift of discernment which I know there's a few of you that do you're afraid to acknowledge the truth of it. And to be frankly honest with you I question why are people afraid to be honest when they know the discernment from the Holy Spirit what is more important being honest or being afraid of the people of Talk Jesus and being booted off talk to Jesus I mean who the heck are the people or the moderators of Talk Jesus they put their pants on one leg at a time. I respect the moderators here but I don't fear them. Nor am I out here for a popularity contest.

I would say for many here I'm probably as popular as a porcupine and a balloon factory.

But I don't care about that who cares it's not about popularity it's about telling the truth. I know that there are many of you here that will believe and I believe him that the Rapture is a real thing the pre-tribulation Rapture is a real thing and I'm here warning you ahead of time that's false teaching

And you can fight all day long with me on that but I know it's false teaching. The devil has done a great job deceiving you and now I am here, sent here by the Lord to be a witness of the truth.

Do you want me to show you how you fail to follow the scripture, will you actually take time to listen to what I have to say

Probably not because it will go in one year and out the other, because you are so blind to it the truth

And I'm not just talking to you I'm talking to everybody that's here the vast majority of you are blind to the truth because you've been taught the same thing forever and it has been pounded into your heads. But I can show you the truth

It's really simple, we know that Jesus is the author of the scripture and his inspired people to write what has been written. Won't you agree with that or maybe not because you don't follow it.

Yet in the scripture it is clearly stated that the Holy Spirit is moving and inspiring this statement from this day forward all nations will call me blessed. So you have two witnesses stating the same thing and you're not even aware of it.

The first witness is the Holy Spirit who inspires it and the second witness is Jesus because it's in the word it's in the scripture who is the author of the scripture.

Yet you will not refer to Mary as blessed why is that is it because it's too much like being Catholic. Ironically this was in the scripture before the Catholic Church evening came to existence. So what is the excuse then for not referring to Mary as being blessed.

Another thing in the scripture that Jesus himself has asked you to do do this in memory of me he says the breaking of the bread yet how few churches do that. It is something Jesus even asks of us. But why won't you do it does it make you look too Catholic and again this is in scripture well before the Catholic Church even existed. I wonder what excuses you'll give to the Lord when he asks you why didn't you break bread as I asked why didn't you call my mother Mary blessed as I asked I'm curious what excuses are you going to give the Lord when he asked you that at the judgment. And trust me he will ask you because every hair on your head everything you've ever done will be presented before the Lord at the judgment. That is unless you've repented of your sins.

Look at the altar calls nowadays if there's ever even a call to repent of sins at your church after being saved it seems like people feel that they don't ever sin again that they don't need to be forgiven of their continuing sins. By accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior your past tense have been forgiven and you've been called to be a saint as the Saints in heaven. However you still need to ask for forgiveness because you still sin you still have Prejudice about this and that still get angry about Catholic saying things like I am. Still have lust overall sorts of things, it's not just the flesh.

I wonder if you'll bother to read all that

 

[GodB4Us]

I think you should rephrase that opening paragraph to me as saying not true in your opinion versus not true altogether. Because I can't talk about my experiences here because so if you have faith and even fewer have the gift of discernment and even if you do have the gift of discernment which I know there's a few of you that do you're afraid to acknowledge the truth of it. And to be frankly honest with you I question why are people afraid to be honest when they know the discernment from the Holy Spirit what is more important being honest or being afraid of the people of Talk Jesus and being booted off talk to Jesus I mean who the heck are the people or the moderators of Talk Jesus they put their pants on one leg at a time. I respect the moderators here but I don't fear them. Nor am I out here for a popularity contest.

I would say for many here I'm probably as popular as a porcupine and a balloon factory.

But I don't care about that who cares it's not about popularity it's about telling the truth. I know that there are many of you here that will believe and I believe him that the Rapture is a real thing the pre-tribulation Rapture is a real thing and I'm here warning you ahead of time that's false teaching

The truth here is that the rapture as found in the Bible, is hidden from you at the moment. Since it takes eyes to see and ears to hear & understand the parables, I suspect it will have to be the same for you & others that do not see the rapture as being before the great tribulation since Jesus is warning the church at Thyatira to repent or else be cast into the great tribulation. His warning would be moot if there was no reward for repenting to avoid being cast into the great tribulation.

And you can fight all day long with me on that but I know it's false teaching. The devil has done a great job deceiving you and now I am here, sent here by the Lord to be a witness of the truth.

Do you want me to show you how you fail to follow the scripture, will you actually take time to listen to what I have to say

You have to consider why Jesus is warning the way that He does towards saved believers. That is the truth you are overlooking.

Probably not because it will go in one year and out the other, because you are so blind to it the truth

Wisdom comes from the Lord. Anybody can ask Him at any time, especially when they think they know the truth but yet cannot answer why Jesus is warning the church t repent or else be cast into the great tribulation if they are going to be in it regardless of repentance.

And I'm not just talking to you I'm talking to everybody that's here the vast majority of you are blind to the truth because you've been taught the same thing forever and it has been pounded into your heads. But I can show you the truth

It's really simple, we know that Jesus is the author of the scripture and his inspired people to write what has been written. Won't you agree with that or maybe not because you don't follow it.

Yet in the scripture it is clearly stated that the Holy Spirit is moving and inspiring this statement from this day forward all nations will call me blessed. So you have two witnesses stating the same thing and you're not even aware of it.

The first witness is the Holy Spirit who inspires it and the second witness is Jesus because it's in the word it's in the scripture who is the author of the scripture.

It is on you to show the truth by how it is false. One cannot go to one scripture at the expense of the truth in other scripture, thus misapplying His words without fully addressing why Jesus is even bother to warn the church to repent or else.

Yet you will not refer to Mary as blessed why is that is it because it's too much like being Catholic. Ironically this was in the scripture before the Catholic Church evening came to existence. So what is the excuse then for not referring to Mary as being blessed.

Mary was not the only woman blessed above women.

Judges 5:24Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

Plus, you should know the difference between a salutation and a commandment from the Lord for us to bless Mary.

Luke 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Indeed, when confronted with an overzealous worshiper of His mother, Mary, Jesus agreed in regards to Himself in His relation to her but deferred the woman from honoring Mary.

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Do you hear His words below in how God the Father wants you to specifically honor Him by, by which that standard of judgment is raised on every believer?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Or are you going to doubt by thinking, "Did God really say that?"

So there is no direct commandment from the Lord to honor Mary but instead, deferred us from honoring Mary to doing the will of God and that is to honor the Father by only honoring the Son.

Another thing in the scripture that Jesus himself has asked you to do do this in memory of me he says the breaking of the bread yet how few churches do that. It is something Jesus even asks of us. But why won't you do it does it make you look too Catholic and again this is in scripture well before the Catholic Church even existed. I wonder what excuses you'll give to the Lord when he asks you why didn't you break bread as I asked why didn't you call my mother Mary blessed as I asked I'm curious what excuses are you going to give the Lord when he asked you that at the judgment. And trust me he will ask you because every hair on your head everything you've ever done will be presented before the Lord at the judgment. That is unless you've repented of your sins.

Look at the altar calls nowadays if there's ever even a call to repent of sins at your church after being saved it seems like people feel that they don't ever sin again that they don't need to be forgiven of their continuing sins. By accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior your past tense have been forgiven and you've been called to be a saint as the Saints in heaven. However you still need to ask for forgiveness because you still sin you still have Prejudice about this and that still get angry about Catholic saying things like I am. Still have lust overall sorts of things, it's not just the flesh.

I wonder if you'll bother to read all that

I did, but I can equally hope in the Lord that you will read this reply. Remember how Paul was chastening believers at Corinth for eating and drinking the bread and the wine before church service to satisfy their hunger and thirst thus taking the bread and the wine that was meant for communion in an unworthy manner? It wasn't because it was the actual body & blood of Jesus Christ, but taking the bread and the wine to satisfy their hunger and thirst before church service when they have food & drink at home to do this. 1 Corinthians 11:20-34 KJV

So is making communion for more than it is by making it "holy" and thus turning the bread and the wine into idolatry 1 Corinthians 10:14-22 KJV as if making the one time sacrifice for sins "present" again "to receive" again as if the one time sacrifice for sins was not good enough that it has to be made presently available in the Mass to take again as if treating His blood was on par with the blood of goats and bulls that it bears repeating. <---- That is an insult to God Hebrews 10:26-31 KJV when having the Holy Spirit in you is witness for why there is no more sacrifice for sins to be received again. Hebrews 10:1-18 KJV

Do click on the green scriptural references to read the scriptures in the KJV at those links to read His words as rightly dividing the word of truth which only Jesus Christ can confirm His words to you that this is so.

May God bless you and keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

 

[GodB4Us]

GodB4us I'm not talking one particular thing just anyone who uses the word to put one whom is broken up is just wrong I see it happened to Job but it seems to b real easy for one who is on milk use the Word to destroy that's not what YH wants
I feel for many whos children have committed suicide at young ages n their loved ones being told they r in hell I find it sad to tell a child of a parent whom killed himself that he's in hell smh

It's written there's a time to build n a time to destroy n when one is in the grips of a horrible moment that's definitely not the time to tare them down.

Ya got people telling children they parents r gonna go to hell cause they believe this that n the other thing


It's just wrong I know quite a few people who walked away for YH because of the taring down n the constant hell thing

Wonder how they gonna feel when they Hear u evils doers I know you not.

N it's the Christians that do this both denominational n non

But no u Neva have to me


Hope all's well ᕦʕ •ᴥ•ʔᕤ Twistie ᕦᶘ ᵒ㉨ᵒᶅᕤ

Those contemplating suicide have need of patience, which can only come about by tribulation.

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

It stands to reason why we need Jesus Christ & His help in supplying all the fruits of the Spirit in us so we can have patience.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...
...11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[Bill]

The truth here is that the rapture as found in the Bible, is hidden from you at the moment. Since it takes eyes to see and ears to hear & understand the parables, I suspect it will have to be the same for you & others that do not see the rapture as being before the great tribulation since Jesus is warning the church at Thyatira to repent or else be cast into the great tribulation. His warning would be moot if there was no reward for repenting to avoid being cast into the great tribulation.

You have to consider why Jesus is warning the way that He does towards saved believers. That is the truth you are overlooking.

Wisdom comes from the Lord. Anybody can ask Him at any time, especially when they think they know the truth but yet cannot answer why Jesus is warning the church t repent or else be cast into the great tribulation if they are going to be in it regardless of repentance.

It is on you to show the truth by how it is false. One cannot go to one scripture at the expense of the truth in other scripture, thus misapplying His words without fully addressing why Jesus is even bother to warn the church to repent or else.

Mary was not the only woman blessed above women.

Judges 5:24Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

Plus, you should know the difference between a salutation and a commandment from the Lord for us to bless Mary.

Luke 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Indeed, when confronted with an overzealous worshiper of His mother, Mary, Jesus agreed in regards to Himself in His relation to her but deferred the woman from honoring Mary.

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Do you hear His words below in how God the Father wants you to specifically honor Him by, by which that standard of judgment is raised on every believer?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Or are you going to doubt by thinking, "Did God really say that?"

So there is no direct commandment from the Lord to honor Mary but instead, deferred us from honoring Mary to doing the will of God and that is to honor the Father by only honoring the Son.

I did, but I can equally hope in the Lord that you will read this reply. Remember how Paul was chastening believers at Corinth for eating and drinking the bread and the wine before church service to satisfy their hunger and thirst thus taking the bread and the wine that was meant for communion in an unworthy manner? It wasn't because it was the actual body & blood of Jesus Christ, but taking the bread and the wine to satisfy their hunger and thirst before church service when they have food & drink at home to do this. 1 Corinthians 11:20-34 KJV

So is making communion for more than it is by making it "holy" and thus turning the bread and the wine into idolatry 1 Corinthians 10:14-22 KJV as if making the one time sacrifice for sins "present" again "to receive" again as if the one time sacrifice for sins was not good enough that it has to be made presently available in the Mass to take again as if treating His blood was on par with the blood of goats and bulls that it bears repeating. <---- That is an insult to God Hebrews 10:26-31 KJV when having the Holy Spirit in you is witness for why there is no more sacrifice for sins to be received again. Hebrews 10:1-18 KJV

Do click on the green scriptural references to read the scriptures in the KJV at those links to read His words as rightly dividing the word of truth which only Jesus Christ can confirm His words to you that this is so.

May God bless you and keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

God's blessings to you

I did read all of what you wrote. And I do want to point out one little thing. As I purposefully did not bring up the subject of the Eucharist as the body and blood of Jesus. I don't expect yourself or other persons to believe everything because it's just a little bit too much for most people. But there is something special in the breaking of the bread.

Even when we look at the road to Emmaus, where Jesus walked with the apostles. They did not recognize Jesus 21st came with them they did not recognize Jesus when he spoke the word of God to them. In the Scripture it only says that a fire burned in them when he spoke. But what's really interesting is that they did recognize Jesus when he blessed and then broke the bread.

To me this is something that is significant and there are other passages in the New Testament that talk about breaking of the bread.

I'm not asking you to think like I do as a Catholic I'm asking you to look at what is written and what is asked of us.

As far as blessed Mary is concerned, honoring her or not, is only a formality of showing respect to the mother of Jesus to the woman who said let it be done unto me according to your word.

I guess we Catholics will be condemned with the fact that we like to give honor to the mother of God. But we do not worship her as so many preachers like to say.

To me when I think of Mary in a biblical sense she is the Covenant box of the New Testament, or the Tabernacle of the New Testament as she carried Jesus in her womb, in the same way that the Israelites carried the tablets of the Covenant for the word of God, in the Covenant box.

 

[GodB4Us]

God's blessings to you

I did read all of what you wrote. And I do want to point out one little thing. As I purposefully did not bring up the subject of the Eucharist as the body and blood of Jesus. I don't expect yourself or other persons to believe everything because it's just a little bit too much for most people. But there is something special in the breaking of the bread.

Even when we look at the road to Emmaus, where Jesus walked with the apostles. They did not recognize Jesus 21st came with them they did not recognize Jesus when he spoke the word of God to them. In the Scripture it only says that a fire burned in them when he spoke. But what's really interesting is that they did recognize Jesus when he blessed and then broke the bread.

To me this is something that is significant and there are other passages in the New Testament that talk about breaking of the bread.

I'm not asking you to think like I do as a Catholic I'm asking you to look at what is written and what is asked of us.

Okay, but there is a snag there when He had asked us to do communion in remembrance of Him as opposed to anything else which the Catholic Church considers it as anathema if we only did it in remembrance of Him and yet that was all He said to do communion for. If there was something far more important than just doing it in remembrance of Him, Jesus would have led with that with hardly mentioning doing it in remembrance of Him at all, but He did not. Do consider that.

As far as blessed Mary is concerned, honoring her or not, is only a formality of showing respect to the mother of Jesus to the woman who said let it be done unto me according to your word.

That would be God blessing her though.

I guess we Catholics will be condemned with the fact that we like to give honor to the mother of God. But we do not worship her as so many preachers like to say.

It would be hard to reprove idolatry when the conscience is seared when praying to Mary as if she is a God that can hear and answers prayers. Indeed, statues of "virgin" Mary where the "faithful" come to pray & worship, should be a concern to the Vatican but it is not when they insists that Mary remained a virgin after giving birth to Jesus Christ but scripture testify that Joseph knew her not as His wife till she gave birth to Jesus..

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

To take a wife means to become one flesh. Thus they did have other children after Jesus was born.

Mark 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

Even Jesus acknowledged them.

As much as the Catholics wrangle the scriptures to make as if Mary remained a virgin after Jesus, scripture does support that she did not remain a virgin and it is bearing false witness to say otherwise.

To me when I think of Mary in a biblical sense she is the Covenant box of the New Testament, or the Tabernacle of the New Testament as she carried Jesus in her womb, in the same way that the Israelites carried the tablets of the Covenant for the word of God, in the Covenant box.

Although there has been no reference as such to Mary in that way in the N.T. in regards to the O.T.'s ark, there is a reference in the O.T. that Catholics should rethink in giving to Mary and that is the Queen of Heaven. I would believe that would be insulting to Mary if she ever really found out as well as to God Who sees all to know the offense.

Did you know Jesus will be claiming others to be His mother that do the will of God?

Matthew 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Best keep your eyes on the Son in honoring Him in order to honor the Father since the Bridegroom will be coming soon.

Thank you for sharing.

May God continue to bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

 

[Bill]

Okay, but there is a snag there when He had asked us to do communion in remembrance of Him as opposed to anything else which the Catholic Church considers it as anathema if we only did it in remembrance of Him and yet that was all He said to do communion for. If there was something far more important than just doing it in remembrance of Him, Jesus would have led with that with hardly mentioning doing it in remembrance of Him at all, but He did not. Do consider that.

That would be God blessing her though.

It would be hard to reprove idolatry when the conscience is seared when praying to Mary as if she is a God that can hear and answers prayers. Indeed, statues of "virgin" Mary where the "faithful" come to pray & worship, should be a concern to the Vatican but it is not when they insists that Mary remained a virgin after giving birth to Jesus Christ but scripture testify that Joseph knew her not as His wife till she gave birth to Jesus..

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

To take a wife means to become one flesh. Thus they did have other children after Jesus was born.

Mark 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

Even Jesus acknowledged them.

As much as the Catholics wrangle the scriptures to make as if Mary remained a virgin after Jesus, scripture does support that she did not remain a virgin and it is bearing false witness to say otherwise.


Although there has been no reference as such to Mary in that way in the N.T. in regards to the O.T.'s ark, there is a reference in the O.T. that Catholics should rethink in giving to Mary and that is the Queen of Heaven. I would believe that would be insulting to Mary if she ever really found out as well as to God Who sees all to know the offense.

Did you know Jesus will be claiming others to be His mother that do the will of God?

Matthew 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Best keep your eyes on the Son in honoring Him in order to honor the Father since the Bridegroom will be coming soon.

Thank you for sharing.

May God continue to bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

The issue with Mary is just something we're going to have to find out. Because there is argument and good argument at that about why Mary did not have sexual relations with Joseph after Jesus was born. But first to help you with the study of the scripture It Was Written in the Greek and the Greek don't make any difference between first and second cousins as well as immediate family members. The other issue has to do with adultery. And this to me is probably even the better evidence of why we know that Mary did not have children with Joseph because Joseph would have to follow the Old Law the laws of Moses. The only way that Mary could have conceived children with Joseph would be if her husband would have died.. so we know that the holy spirit is an eternal being. So in the technical sense Joseph could not have intimacy with Mary without committing adultery with her

 

[GodB4Us]

The issue with Mary is just something we're going to have to find out. Because there is argument and good argument at that about why Mary did not have sexual relations with Joseph after Jesus was born. But first to help you with the study of the scripture It Was Written in the Greek and the Greek don't make any difference between first and second cousins as well as immediate family members. The other issue has to do with adultery. And this to me is probably even the better evidence of why we know that Mary did not have children with Joseph because Joseph would have to follow the Old Law the laws of Moses. The only way that Mary could have conceived children with Joseph would be if her husband would have died.. so we know that the holy spirit is an eternal being. So in the technical sense Joseph could not have intimacy with Mary without committing adultery with her

I believe this scripture below refutes all notions that Mary remained a virgin against Joseph her husband.

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

So regardless of the Catholic striving to explain the reference below, the reference above proves Mary did not remain a virgin but was a wife to Joseph & had other children after Jesus, adding brothers AND sisters as mentioned below.

Mark 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

 

[Bill]

I believe this scripture below refutes all notions that Mary remained a virgin against Joseph her husband.

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

So regardless of the Catholic striving to explain the reference below, the reference above proves Mary did not remain a virgin but was a wife to Joseph & had other children after Jesus, adding brothers AND sisters as mentioned below.

Mark 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

In the laws of Moses which Joseph would have to follow still. He could be married to Mary to take care of her financial needs but he would never be able to consummate the marriage. As that would be considered adultery.

 

[GodB4Us]

In the laws of Moses which Joseph would have to follow still. He could be married to Mary to take care of her financial needs but he would never be able to consummate the marriage. As that would be considered adultery.

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

That means Joseph knew her as his wife sexually after the birth of Jesus.

 

[Bill]

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

That means Joseph knew her as his wife sexually after the birth of Jesus.

Speculation .

Interpretation must include the teachings based on the laws of Moses

 

[GodB4Us]

Speculation .

Interpretation must include the teachings based on the laws of Moses

Hardly speculation when it is written as such. No other meaning can you derive from it just to favor the run around being done by the teachings from the law of Moses as taught by Catholics.

 

[Bill]

Hardly speculation when it is written as such. No other meaning can you derive from it just to favor the run around being done by the teachings from the law of Moses as taught by Catholics.

As taught by the Israelites you mean . Lol

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Why is many of those who claim the title Christian think it all good to smite people when they r down

I am seeing n I am witnessing an evil spirit dwelling in many with a title weather Christian preacher teacher prophet leader apostle

Because identity politics is prevailing in western society, people are being judged by who they are instead of what they do, where they came from or that they can bring to the table. They put a label on you, and then you're showhorned into a certain stereotype.

 

[GodB4Us]

As taught by the Israelites you mean . Lol

When Catholics misapply a teaching from the Israelites to ignore what is plainly written in scripture that after Joseph took Mary as his wife and knew her not till she gave birth to Jesus, then they are in denial that she did not remain a virgin.

Mary was a good wife to Joseph after God made them one flesh and had other children after Jesus was born. Otherwise, there would be no point in marrying Mary then when Joseph could have her put away quietly for her to remain a "virgin".

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

I would call that as straining at the gnat here for wanting to believe Mary remained a virgin after marrying Joseph.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

When Catholics misapply a teaching from the Israelites to ignore what is plainly written in scripture that after Joseph took Mary as his wife and knew her not till she gave birth to Jesus, then they are in denial that she did not remain a virgin.

Mary was a good wife to Joseph after God made them one flesh and had other children after Jesus was born. Otherwise, there would be no point in marrying Mary then when Joseph could have her put away quietly for her to remain a "virgin".

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

I would call that as straining at the gnat here for wanting to believe Mary remained a virgin after marrying Joseph.

They have deified Mary as the "queen of heaven", which is a false idol originated from Ishtar. In Jeremiah 7:17-18, Israelites were worshiping her - and other false idols, which provoked God to anger. The theology behind that is the most outrageous, repressive, misogynistic and consequential false teaching in Catholics, that sex is the original sin - instead of rebeling against God in the Garden, and it's the necessary evil to procreate the next generation. In this lining of thinking, since Jesus was sinless, then Mary must be sinless as well, or her sin would have been passed down to Jesus.

In the bible, sex is never a taboo topic, instead it's designed a blessing for a man and woman to connect emotionally - and physically, it's the consummation of the marriage covenant. Catholic turned this blessing into a curse, which is really tragic.