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I want to leave my church ... but is it right?

Rachel15

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I really want to do the right thing but I'm really struggling in a big way at my church at the moment. Sorry but I think this going to be long to explain, but I hope someone can help me out here.

When I joined the church I was very ill with psychotic depression and God healed me of the psychoses and I just have some depression now. However, I've still got a lot of working through of problems because I had quite a dysfunctional upbringing that affected me a lot. I recently found out that I scored highly for having a borderline personality disorder (probably caused by childhood trauma). It can't be treated by drugs, but only by long-term therapy which I'm about to start.

When I first went to my church they put me in a group for special needs led my a very charismatic woman who took me under her wing. However, several times I struggled in the relationship and withdrew when I felt that I couldn't relate to what she was saying and lost trust. She has told me that this was because I went into deception because of the Devil.

Anyway, eventually each time I went back - I felt quite dependent on her to help me out and really wanted God.

But, to be really honest, one of the things I struggled with is that she talked about her own life a fair bit and I found this difficult. I did not find it helpful and while I listened I didn't really understand why she was talking in our sessions. Then sometimes I felt frustrated because we would get delayed in progressing through books like Steps to Freedom by Neil Anderson (which we never finished in the end) and in my mind it felt like it was often because she would talk a lot about her own life and how God was using her. I did not know how to talk to her about this without sounding rude, ungrateful or selfish. In addition, I said I was willing to help her out if she needed it and she asked me if I would clean for her at home, which I then did on a regular basis. However, it became apparent that there was not going to be an end to this because she had a bad back and so I started to feel trapped in the arrangement.

Finally, because I began to question whether I was being exploited I left the church.

Anyway, this person has been promoted within our church to have her own 'ministry' helping people with deep needs. I met up with her again one time and again I felt kind of 'mesmerised' by her and drawn to going back to church again. I was told by her that our church has been prophesied over as being at the point of the spearhead of churches in our country. I remember her talking about what a good church our one was. I started to feel in immense conflict because I felt comfortable going to another church, but I felt that if the first church was better or closer to God then I should go there.

I prayed for several days but felt there was no clear guidance. Finally, I said to God I want to be close to you and at the church where I will be closest to you, and partly because of what this person said and partly because I enjoyed the worship, I decided again to go back to the first church.

I told this person the conclusion I had come to and she said that it was a revelation from God and I went forward for prayer the first service I went back to. She came forward with me and said she had a picture of God touching my heart and said that it was confirmation that I'd made the right choice.

HOWEVER, since I've gone back problems have arisen again that I've found really difficult. I realise I have a lot of issues to work through, but at this church there is a lot of pressure to get involved in different ministries and volunteer to help out. I'm realising more and more that I struggle with boundaries and I volunteered to work on reception but I'm now really questioning my ability to stick to this commitment - because its causing me a lot of social anxiety - I would really rather not now and want to stop.

Also, I've just been put in a life group where the leaders' son is seriously ill at home at the moment and she has many commitments including fostering a young child with behavioural difficulties. I really don't want to burden her with my issues. My first experience at the life group left me feeling like a fish out of water, if I can use that phrase, because they were all couples and much more mature, succcessful in business or church ventures. I tried to phone the previous person who helped me at the church to talk to her about the possible diagnosis of 'borderline personality disorder' but I just felt frustrated by her reply, which was 'don't receive it' - even though she had recommended I continue seeing a psychologist. Once again, I don't feel I can really relate to what she's saying - maybe she's more spiritual than me - I don't know, but somehow we're not connecting.

I guess my problem is that I know our church strives for perfection, but it also expects a lot from its congregation. I just don't feel I can be myself here and be honest about all the struggles I'm having and feel okay here. But I feel bad about leaving a church which might be 'better' than the other local church - even though I feel more at home in the other local church.

Do you think that in God's eyes it will be okay if I change my mind again and go to this other local church? I just want to be out of so much pressure and conflict that I've been experiencing. I want to be able to take my 'mask' off and just be honest and say hey, sorry, but I'm not able to do very much at the moment churchwise but I'm willing to come as much as I can. I worry intensely that I'll be letting God down if I leave and in the future He'll tell me that I made a big mistake, even though it's already got to the stage where I don't want to go to any of the church services.

Many thanks to anyone who can help at all.
 
Sorry to hear but follow the Spirit

Sorry to hear your problem with the church. Church should be helping people and not exploiting their problems. You must pray and go to the church where you will find real peace and joy. Avoiding the church will not solve your problem. You need spiritual food and you need to seek where you can find healthy food and healthy support. God bless you to find that.:sun:
 
Hi there sister Rachel, nowhere in the Bible does it say we have to go to church, nowhere.

Please read Romans 14. The main concern here is that you should do things for God. On a daily basis, whatever you do. If you go to church, you have to do it for God. If you don't, stop doing it.

I see no problem in you leaving the church and I doubt the Lord Almighty would condemn you for your actions. Faith is the key, you have to live by faith, trust in the Lord that your needs will be met and so they will be.

Your solution may be a change of heart in your current church, by saying and doing all those things you said you wanted.

That is also a posibility. You can be open, honest and say that I just can't go on like things are right now, take it from there and let the Spirit guide you.

I want you to know that you are a free person in Jesus, nothing commits or keeps you at a church, you are free to do what you please, as long as you're doing it for the Lord.

God bless you sister
Much love
teraside
 
Hello Rachel15, Sorry to hear of your troubles with the churches.

Firstly you should not worry about the man made church buildings, the real church is within you. Going to the man made churches is purely for our own benefit, so that we can be with other believers. Your real worship time should be daily, your time alone with God is very important, being alone with Him, praising Him and getting to know Him and thanking Him for everything He has done for you during the day.

In Acts 17:24, God does not dwelleth in temples made with hands.

Mar 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

I will pray for you sister Rachel15.

Take care and God bless you.
 
This just came through to my mail box, it maybe of some help to you.


Getting close to God
by John Fischer

“Draw close to God, and God will draw close to you.” (James 4:8 NLT)

It’s been this way since time began. God set it up so we would seek him, and he would respond to us when we did. Is he playing hard to get? Well, he may be, only inasmuch as he wants a relationship with someone who wants one with him, and the way you show that you do is by seeking him. God will not force himself on anyone.

This is an incredible privilege he has given his creation, when you think of it. God joins in the give and take of a relationship with us! That means that if you don’t get close to God, well … you don’t get close to God. In other words, he gives us the integrity of making the first move.

I think this is what was meant in that strange passage in Matthew 6:7-8 when Jesus warns us not to give what is sacred to dogs and not to give pearls to pigs. God doesn’t reveal himself to those who aren’t interested in a relationship with him. And it’s no indictment on them; they simply wouldn’t get it. Dogs don’t know what is sacred. Pigs have no use for pearls. Their only value is what they can eat, so the real value of pearls would be wasted on a pig.

The truth about God is wasted on someone who is not interested in knowing him, so he doesn’t draw near to that person. He draws near to those who come to him. But believe me, once you show any indication of interest, he’s right there.

Actually, we all need God and we all know it. Even those who deny God and run the other way are desperately seeking him from some empty place inside. We just don’t all want to admit it.

But for those who do, God is all over any attempt on our part to get close to him. It makes no difference how you do this. There is no right or wrong way to seek God. You just seek him, and you keep on seeking him. There’s no end to this because there’s no end to God. There’s always more of him to discover and experience. Worship is never static. It keeps opening up more and more of God to us as we worship him and live our lives out according to his purposes.
 
I guess my problem is that I know our church strives for perfection, but it also expects a lot from its congregation. I just don't feel I can be myself here and be honest about all the struggles I'm having and feel okay here. But I feel bad about leaving a church which might be 'better' than the other local church - even though I feel more at home in the other local church.

Do you think that in God's eyes it will be okay if I change my mind again and go to this other local church? I just want to be out of so much pressure and conflict that I've been experiencing. I want to be able to take my 'mask' off and just be honest and say hey, sorry, but I'm not able to do very much at the moment churchwise but I'm willing to come as much as I can. I worry intensely that I'll be letting God down if I leave and in the future He'll tell me that I made a big mistake, even though it's already got to the stage where I don't want to go to any of the church services.

Many thanks to anyone who can help at all.

Rachel as a Christian the Holy Spirit lives within you. If you are not at peace within then your spirit is trying to tell you something. The Holy Spirit brings us peace. God wont mind you changing your mind at all. All He wants is a personal relationship with you and there are so many "distractions" in this church you cannot concentrate on a relationship with Him.

You need to give yourself the best possible chance with this therapy, having peace of mind will help a lot.

"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." Romans 12:2
 
Listen to Sunshine..

I agree with you Sunshine...first treatment and healing...then your participation in the church...if you can integrate both it will be great...:sun:
 
maciek, I will be praying for you. This post is full of great counsel, I can see the Lord in Teraside's, Word of Life's and Sunshine307's responses. God bless you.
 
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Thank you so much all of you for your replies. I've just had a very long chat with a nurse who offers me support about this too, and after reflecting on the problems that I have and hearing your replies I think it's right to leave this church for the time being.

They have some excellent things going on but I feel very pressured when I go there. There is another local church where I feel much more comfortable and think I will be able to focus on getting better with the therapy, without feeling that I am letting God down for have these difficulties.

Thanks so much - I feel really supported by your replies.

God bless,

Rachel
 
Rachel, for some reason I didn't read this thread until today. All of the responses you received are excellent.

One thing that struck me about that "charismatic" lady who led the class and talked about herself so much---she is co-dependent. She ministers to people our of her pain and guilt instead of through her healing and strength.

I recognized this because this is something God is dealing with in my life. I have to learn how to be healed and strong so that when I minister, it is from His strength.

I'm so glad you are concentrating on the counseling and glad that you are drawn toward the church where you are loved, accepted, and comfortable.
Praise God!
 
Rachel, for some reason I didn't read this thread until today. All of the responses you received are excellent.

One thing that struck me about that "charismatic" lady who led the class and talked about herself so much---she is co-dependent. She ministers to people our of her pain and guilt instead of through her healing and strength.

I recognized this because this is something God is dealing with in my life. I have to learn how to be healed and strong so that when I minister, it is from His strength.

I'm so glad you are concentrating on the counseling and glad that you are drawn toward the church where you are loved, accepted, and comfortable.
Praise God!

Thanks Dreamer - I really think you are right about the lady being co-dependent. May be it affected her that her mother had mental health problems throughout her life - she often talked about it.

I told two people at church today that I didn't want to carry on going. It was fine with one woman - an Assistant Pastor. However, I think I may have annoyed my Life Group Leader or at least she didn't seem to think I was making the right decision and she said to make sure that I took full responsibility for making the decision - me as a person, and not make it because of illness. I found this difficult - I hate to leave without her approval.

I know that people usually want the best for you - but some times decisions are so hard when people seem so directive. It's like this is meant to be the perfect church and therefore I'm making a terrible decision by walking away - its like I'm walking away from God. I don't want to walk away from God but does church have to be so controlling? I think I might take some time out before I join the new church - I'm a bit wary now.
 
Sugar, you just let God do the directing. He loves you and He won't steer you wrong.:love:
 
wearing spirit

hello sister,
i really dont have much time but i hope to be back again. can you pls answer these questions.
1 are you really born again
2 how old are you in the lord
3 Did you had any form of training in your present church
kindly be sincere if you need help
cheers: ev.
 
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hello sister,
i really dont have much time but i hope to be back again you answer these questions.
1 how really born again
2 how old are you in the lord
3 Did you had any form of training in your present church
kindly be sincere if you need help
cheers: ev.

Hi Isaac,
My answers to your questions are as follows:-
1. I was born again approx 4 years ago.
2. I guess that technically makes me 4 years old, but I feel much younger.
3. The 'training' I had was in the form of a relationship of 'discipling' with the lady I mentioned before. I question a lot of it now because I felt that made me close to her, but not able to be independent and close to Jesus. She is quite influential in the church.

Hope these are the answers that you're seeking.

Rachel
 
Well this is very interesting because I had the same problem some time ago.
I love the post by Teraside no where in the bible is it written we have to go to church. We are the Church. I had a vision and God told me to leave my church my spirit had gone cold and I could just sense the cold around. I spoke to the pastor and he says God does not talk through dreams anymore.
Any I left and I am growing and I can hear Him speak greater than before.
I believe we need to know Jesus personally and the only way is through the Holy Spirit.
heb. 8:10-12
10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."[c]

This is a calling us to look up to Jesus and not to People it is difficult because we are used to people around us but, you have to separat yourself from them.
Are you spirit filled? if yes then you must ask His will for you. if no then ask for the Holy Spirit into your life to lead you. We must all Know Him.
 
Hey Rachel

Hi Rachel, I am Pixie. Poor you, don't struggle so hard, you will get yourself sick again. I left the Roman Catholic Church. They tell me I can't, but I say I can.
It is church right here at talkjesus. Don't feel so compelled to go somewhere that just doesn't seem proper. Most likely it isn't. If you are in between churches or just can't seem to find the right one for you right now, just continue to come to talkjesus for counsel, prayer, support..... If you would like, send me a pm message. I know a lot about mood disorders and can help give you support and strength. Jesus loves you and wants your life to be simple. Going to a church that complicates your thoughts on God, will keep hurting you and confusing your mind. Let your spirit guide you. Don't let this woman confuse you. You are not bound by any law of God.
Please write to me. I look forward to hearing from you.
Amen and love: Pixie:rose: P.S. The Lord loves simplicity.
 
hi rachel

hi rachel,
i just read your post. i am new on this forum too. one thing to remember is...until you are healthy enough, you may attract situations to yourself that call you to work through past hurts. for example, this person who is using your ministry time for herself is not a balanced person either. i do counseling work for people myself, and one of the first things to be aware of is...that it is the individual's time, not the therapists or counselor, or what not. it can be hard to do, because many people get attracted to helping others when they need help themselves. God can use any situation to improve you though, i just worry that you are allowing this person to cause inner conflict inside your heart, thus causing confusion and lack of direction. what you need right now, is to be in a place surrounded by people who are strong, and helpful, but not using you for their own emotional needs. i too was brought up in an abusive situation, and it took me a long time to realize that when you are used to giving yourself up for another person's needs, whether phsycial or emotional...you tend to stay stuck in that pattern. just on a whim, but you may wish to look into what is called narcissim. this is when someone is so self focused they tend to bleed someone dry and make that person feel guilty for not giving more of themselves. just a thought.

anyhow. i feel for you. God is love and wants you to be happy. the more at peace you are within, the more God can shine through you. ask for the HOly SPirit to come into you, and make you whole. my heart goes out to you. don't let that woman control your own spiritual journey. she needs to find her own counselor, but in the meantime, you need to separate from her high needs.
 
Well this is very interesting because I had the same problem some time ago.
I love the post by Teraside no where in the bible is it written we have to go to church. We are the Church. I had a vision and God told me to leave my church my spirit had gone cold and I could just sense the cold around. I spoke to the pastor and he says God does not talk through dreams anymore.
Any I left and I am growing and I can hear Him speak greater than before.
I believe we need to know Jesus personally and the only way is through the Holy Spirit.
heb. 8:10-12
10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."[c]

This is a calling us to look up to Jesus and not to People it is difficult because we are used to people around us but, you have to separat yourself from them.
Are you spirit filled? if yes then you must ask His will for you. if no then ask for the Holy Spirit into your life to lead you. We must all Know Him.

Thanks for your post - I've certainly found it difficult to separate myself from people. I am spirit filled and I prayed again recently, but to be honest I struggled to be open to God's leading because I felt I 'ought' to stay at this church but I 'want' to leave. For now, I've just severed contact.

Hi Rachel, I am Pixie. Poor you, don't struggle so hard, you will get yourself sick again. I left the Roman Catholic Church. They tell me I can't, but I say I can.
It is church right here at talkjesus. Don't feel so compelled to go somewhere that just doesn't seem proper. Most likely it isn't. If you are in between churches or just can't seem to find the right one for you right now, just continue to come to talkjesus for counsel, prayer, support..... If you would like, send me a pm message. I know a lot about mood disorders and can help give you support and strength. Jesus loves you and wants your life to be simple. Going to a church that complicates your thoughts on God, will keep hurting you and confusing your mind. Let your spirit guide you. Don't let this woman confuse you. You are not bound by any law of God.
Please write to me. I look forward to hearing from you.
Amen and love: Pixie:rose: P.S. The Lord loves simplicity.

Thanks Pixie, I appreciate you saying that talkjesus is a church and thanks for saying I can pm you.

hi rachel,
i just read your post. i am new on this forum too. one thing to remember is...until you are healthy enough, you may attract situations to yourself that call you to work through past hurts. for example, this person who is using your ministry time for herself is not a balanced person either. i do counseling work for people myself, and one of the first things to be aware of is...that it is the individual's time, not the therapists or counselor, or what not. it can be hard to do, because many people get attracted to helping others when they need help themselves. God can use any situation to improve you though, i just worry that you are allowing this person to cause inner conflict inside your heart, thus causing confusion and lack of direction. what you need right now, is to be in a place surrounded by people who are strong, and helpful, but not using you for their own emotional needs. i too was brought up in an abusive situation, and it took me a long time to realize that when you are used to giving yourself up for another person's needs, whether phsycial or emotional...you tend to stay stuck in that pattern. just on a whim, but you may wish to look into what is called narcissim. this is when someone is so self focused they tend to bleed someone dry and make that person feel guilty for not giving more of themselves. just a thought.

anyhow. i feel for you. God is love and wants you to be happy. the more at peace you are within, the more God can shine through you. ask for the HOly SPirit to come into you, and make you whole. my heart goes out to you. don't let that woman control your own spiritual journey. she needs to find her own counselor, but in the meantime, you need to separate from her high needs.

Thank you for posting simpleheart - I agree so much with what you say about attracting situations where past hurts get worked out! I think that's why I seem to have gotten to the point where I just want to withdraw and keep wanting to withdraw from relationships from time to time generally. (Interestingly, I have read a bit about narcissism because of my relationship with my dad who've I've stopped seeing so much of lately - I realised lately that if I talk about anything in my life he switches off unless its to offer approval/disapproval and then the subject returns back to his life and his relationships. It makes it difficult to have an equal conversation.)


Thanks so much to all of you for posting your replies and thank you for your advice, it's been really reassuring & has encouraged me not to give up on God or confuse my relationship with God with people at church.

God bless you

Rachel
 
Thank you so much all of you for your replies. I've just had a very long chat with a nurse who offers me support about this too, and after reflecting on the problems that I have and hearing your replies I think it's right to leave this church for the time being.

They have some excellent things going on but I feel very pressured when I go there. There is another local church where I feel much more comfortable and think I will be able to focus on getting better with the therapy, without feeling that I am letting God down for have these difficulties.

Thanks so much - I feel really supported by your replies.

God bless,

Rachel


hi Rachel, i read all this page and went back to this post, because i think you found and answered your need here.
you have been given much counsel here at talkJesus, and from these posts and my own experience i feel the need to give you something more to think and Pray about.
i too went through some struggles concerning which church to go to, and tried several different ones, but i didn't have wise counsel given to me so i quit all churches, thinking that i would be better off on my own for awhile then maybe later i will go back. Well it's very difficult to go back after you have been on your own, because i would remember what i found 'wrong' with them.

My counsel to you would be to go to the church that you did feel comfortable in, and to talk to that Pastor there, tell him that you are going through a tough time and that you really need a safe haven and prayer support. Ask him to pray with you right there. Tell him that you haven't really gotten much in the way of Bible Studies or Discipleship Training. Explain to him that you can't get involved in a lot of church activities because it drains you, and that you want to be stronger first, or what ever it is that you feel that you need at this time.
And don't be shy in telling him that you need help. Because how can they help if you don't tell them you need it.
It is important to have a church or some place that you feel comfortable and that you can gain support , through prayer and fellowship. Without feeling pushed into doing stuff you aren't ready for.
Trust me when i tell you that it is better and easier to go through our struggles if we have some comfort / support, than to go it all alone! Being alone is miserable!
i know that God is always there for His own, but we are human and we need human companionship - Especially when we are going through hard times!
Having this place online is nice, but it still doesn't quite replace human companionship.

i hope this is helpful to you, and to any others who may be going through similar stuff.
May God draw you ever closer to Him.
 
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hi Rachel, i read all this page and went back to this post, because i think you found and answered your need here.
you have been given much counsel here at talkJesus, and from these posts and my own experience i feel the need to give you something more to think and Pray about.
i too went through some struggles concerning which church to go to, and tried several different ones, but i didn't have wise counsel given to me so i quit all churches, thinking that i would be better off on my own for awhile then maybe later i will go back. Well it's very difficult to go back after you have been on your own, because i would remember what i found 'wrong' with them.

My counsel to you would be to go to the church that you did feel comfortable in, and to talk to that Pastor there, tell him that you are going through a tough time and that you really need a safe haven and prayer support. Ask him to pray with you right there. Tell him that you haven't really gotten much in the way of Bible Studies or Discipleship Training. Explain to him that you can't get involved in a lot of church activities because it drains you, and that you want to be stronger first, or what ever it is that you feel that you need at this time.
And don't be shy in telling him that you need help. Because how can they help if you don't tell them you need it.
It is important to have a church or some place that you feel comfortable and that you can gain support , through prayer and fellowship. Without feeling pushed into doing stuff you aren't ready for.
Trust me when i tell you that it is better and easier to go through our struggles if we have some comfort / support, than to go it all alone! Being alone is miserable!
i know that God is always there for His own, but we are human and we need human companionship - Especially when we are going through hard times!
Having this place online is nice, but it still doesn't quite replace human companionship.

i hope this is helpful to you, and to any others who may be going through similar stuff.
May God draw you ever closer to Him.

Hi Coffee-Nut_Kay,

Thanks for this - I think this is really wise advice. I have missed some aspects of going to church - the worship especially. I'm just about to go on holiday for a week, but I'm in fairly close contact with another mum I know at the church I like who leads one of their life groups. I'm a bit unsure of whether it would be good to be in her group or not, or whether just to leave groups for the time being.

I think I might explain this to her and pray for the confidence to go there on Sunday when I get back from holiday.

Thanks again for taking the time to read this thread and write - i really appreciate it.

God bless,

Rachel
 
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