Ideal ways of living regarding politics and morality

[Funkadelic]

Is democracy really a good way to run a country? democracy and capitalism go hand in hand however many overlook the nature of capalistic establishments. They operate under the disguise of liberty however it seems like infact they are purely greed run. For me it seems that for a country to run efficiently free from corporate influence there needs to be a mix of socialism and a set operating latitude for companies. In other words, companies need to be regulated by the governmnet. What are your thoughts?

 

[Boanerges]

Just from the question I can see your views are skewed. Socialism and Communism are complete failures everywhere they have been tried.
The USA is a Republic and not a true democracy. It is this same USA who while employing a Capitalist system gave it's people :
The highest standard of living in the world
The best health-care system in the world
The freedom to achieve regardless of background and etc.
It is also this Capitalist based system that:
Has done more to evangelize the world in the last 200 years the rest rest of the world in it's entire recorded history and
freed more people from oppression than the rest of the world in it's entire combined history.
There is a reason people are always wanting to immigrate to the USA my friend- she is not wihtout her problems but she still is (in my opinion) the greatest place on earth.

 

[Funkadelic]

Just from the question I can see your views are skewed. Socialism and Communism are complete failures everywhere they have been tried.
The USA is a Republic and not a true democracy. It is this same USA who while employing a Capitalist system gave it's people :
The highest standard of living in the world
The best health-care system in the world
The freedom to achieve regardless of background and etc.
It is also this Capitalist based system that:
Has done more to evangelize the world in the last 200 years the rest rest of the world in it's entire recorded history and
freed more people from oppression than the rest of the world in it's entire combined history.
There is a reason people are always wanting to immigrate to the USA my friend- she is not wihtout her problems but she still is (in my opinion) the greatest place on earth.

The best health-care system in the world? Are you joking? Also I hear that economically speaking, america is actually not doing so well. So many debts. Now the ideal place of immigration is shifted toward Canada, the UK or generally in western europe. America is not what it used to be.

 

[Boanerges]

Wasn't it the Canadian Prime Minister who left his socialized heath care system for surgery in the USA? Yes it was.
And yes the USA is still the number 1 destination for immigration.
As I said before America is not without her problems and with the current administration adding three trillion $ to the deficit in less than 2 years she is in for real trouble.
But for all her troubles economically speaking when America sneezes the whole world still catches a cold- LOL.
Europe is in real crisis and many of her countries are trying to slash budgets while trying to extricate themselves from failed socialist policies. The problem with socialism is that it is based on taking something from someone else instead of earning it. Eventually the well will run dry and it provides little incentive for success.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

 

[Funkadelic]

You can blame your late republican bush administration for the financial problems. Just because a signle canadian primeminister travelled across the nearest border to recieve PRIVATE healthcare does not mean that your health care system is not the best in the world. Infact it is rather poor. The best are in Europe.

Enjoy your capitalism and the resulting greed and exploitation of your acquired wealth from hard work. In capitalist america bank robs you (a play on the "in soviet russia ..." joke. Google it.)

 

[Kit Carson]

You cannot legislate morality. Under any government. All you can do is pray for those who are the politicians so they may be tempered some and show just a hint of compassion and sense.

Politicians are not fond of morality, it does not suit their lifestyle, they go with the flow of the wind and what is to their advantage today. That is why they are there. It is the custom of things and the way the world has become.

Morality is not compatible with politics, look at all of them with the recent military situation and the allowance of same sex situations , this is not moral. But it suits their posturing and politicians will benefit from it.

Dictators tend to kill all who do not agree with them. That is how they do it.

Socialist countries tend to kill or jail all who do not agree with them.

And so it goes.

Morality and politics mixed is but a hope, wishful thinking, it will never be compatible, never has been since the beginning of time and I suspect never will be.

Kit

 

[Boanerges]

You can blame your late republican bush administration for the financial problems. Just because a signle canadian primeminister travelled across the nearest border to recieve PRIVATE healthcare does not mean that your health care system is not the best in the world. Infact it is rather poor. The best are in Europe.

Enjoy your capitalism and the resulting greed and exploitation of your acquired wealth from hard work. In capitalist america bank robs you (a play on the "in soviet russia ..." joke. Google it.)

The Wal-Mart up the street from me has a bigger GNP that your whole country- LOL.:shade:

Bush's deficit spending was four hundred billion- unacceptable.
Obama's deficit spending 1.5 trillion- unacceptable and unsustainable.
Enjoy the less than third world economy and decay socialism always brings.

Do not kid yourself about socialized medicine in Europe it is collapsing.

In America the capitalist companies gives you a job making $.
In socialist countries the government runs everything and simply steals from those who have something and then people riot when they have milked everyone else dry. That is the inhernat flaw with stealing from someone else accomplishments- eventually no one has a reason to succeed and it all collapses.

In a capitalist society people succeed and are able to help others succeed and the standard of living for all is increased.
In a socialist society in the space of a few years everyone is facing poverty.

In fact: America is the only country in the world where the poor people are fat. Poor people in the USA have air conditioned homes, food, big screen tv's with cable, dvd players, cars and etc.

 

[Funkadelic]

The Wal-Mart up the street from me has a

In fact: America is the only country in the world where the poor people are fat. Poor people in the USA have air conditioned homes, food, big screen tv's with cable, dvd players, cars and etc.

Utterly shoddy *reasoning*, in saying that poor people have these expensive things you demonstrate americas overall way of living that entails spending more than you actually can spend. leading to debt. You also fail to realize that obeisity is directly linked to low income because the cheapest foods more often than not are actually higher in saturated fats and there is a secondary factor which is dietary education. it is people like you who make people resistant against christianity with your egotistical americanism. You have the mentality of a neo-nazi but thank god you are not as racist. I am ashamed to have taken part in this disgraceful exchange with you so much so that I am deleting my account. So long.

(note: Before deletion has completed pending I will refuse to pay this thread an ounce of attention)

 

[Boanerges]

Despite your insulting attitude and name calling I forgive you and pray God's blessing on you.
Goodbye and have a great day.

 

[Funkadelic]

Despite your insulting attitude and name calling I forgive you and pray God's blessing on you.
Goodbye and have a great day.

Well thanks. You too.

 

[Faith4Bride]

Is democracy really a good way to run a country? democracy and capitalism go hand in hand however many overlook the nature of capalistic establishments. They operate under the disguise of liberty however it seems like infact they are purely greed run. For me it seems that for a country to run efficiently free from corporate influence there needs to be a mix of socialism and a set operating latitude for companies. In other words, companies need to be regulated by the governmnet. What are your thoughts?

I think that as christians it may be best to go about this differntly then is done here no offence.

Because the kingdoms of this world are ruled by God- and our not our kingdoms because He has made us of the kingdom of God we need to look at world governments from His purpose not from what seems good to us here.

Now a mix of socialism may appear to be helpful the problem is that this world is a sinful one. One could argue over captalism and socialism but it must first by us be realised that both God uses for His purposes and both are going to be corrupt.

Now we see that the fruit of captalism is greed. We see that the fruit of socialism is greed and death. The reason being that the sharing of things in this system is run by greed from the top down pretending to be helpful but really is about control and driving the money to the top and it always ends in much death and destruction and oppression of the poor.

What is more important for us as beleivers is to see how God uses these kinds of goverments for His purposes. If we understand that it is God who is in control of governments and kings then we can see in history what he does.

He will give captialism and a republic as a liberty and freedom. This is initially good for his people because while many are corrupt it affords more liberty to beleivers. but as time wares on the church begins to love this liberty, money system and they begin to get sinful the more corrup the churches get the more greedy the country gets ( this is the beast and harlot working together). Then eventually judgement comes because of the growing sin. so the problem was not with the form of government but the love of money.-

Then socialism or communism is brought in by God at the hands of wicked men who think they mean well but who will also be fed with power and greed and they begin to take control over the population by force and law- this is because when people are for sin they go into captivity and bondage.

Eventually there is so much control and liberty taken away form the populus that they begin to rebel at this and do not see all the need do is repent and be freed, so they fight the God given government made to reign then in and bring repentance.

Then must death and destruction happens because the government has come in its socialism or communism to love its money and power and control and bigger government and they want to protect it and in doing so they must kill the rebellions.- and in the end it is all judgement.

We need not be political but for the kingdom of God and let God do what he will do in this worlds nations.

 

[Daniisalivenow]

In fact: America is the only country in the world where the poor people are fat. Poor people in the USA have air conditioned homes, food, big screen tv's with cable, dvd players, cars and etc.

I think you forgot Australia, we are a young country and have a small population BUT we too have fat, poor people in a/c homes with takeout food, alcohol, cigerettes etc. They still cry poor and the government still pays them to do nothing.

It is too hard for the world to accept Jesus, because all these problems are from not living the way Jesus did and wants us to live.

Just my opinion.

 

[Boanerges]

I think you forgot Australia, we are a young country and have a small population BUT we too have fat, poor people in a/c homes with takeout food, alcohol, cigerettes etc. They still cry poor and the government still pays them to do nothing.

It is too hard for the world to accept Jesus, because all these problems are from not living the way Jesus did and wants us to live.

Just my opinion.

It appears to be a common situation. I read the other day folks were being allowed to use their food stamp cards at ATM machines in Las Vegas. If those funds were only applied to those in real need they could really be helped . My wife works in medical billing and she witnesses daily a huge amount of fraud in Medicaid which is free government health-care that has been available as long as I am alive.
Personally I believe in many cases that the help the government gives (with welfare and foodstamps totaling the equialent of a $12.00 per hour) is a trap designed to keep people dependent on those in office. By doing this they make it difficult for many to wean themselves off of this dependence and make a real career for themselves.
Others who are in real need suffer from the massive abuse and fraud. This is no real surprise though- if you think about it a welfare department that is to successful would work it's way out of a job. What would be vastly superior in many cases is a work-fare program designed to teach skills and help place folks in position to acquire a job in the private sector.

 

[Kit Carson]

It has become in your face ridiculous. I saw on T.V a report that some states are allowing those with a few dollars of family income under 60K to receive food stamps.

Surely I said to self this is a mistake, the news reporter is incorrect, has his facts wrong. No not so it is true.

God tells us to pray for our leaders, I suppose I am very slack in that, and would actually like to clean them all out with a stick.

I have a well made political flyer on my table right now, one politician says the the other one is lying, the other one says the other one is lying, and there is a photo of a woman politician on the cover with her hair mussed and her eyes bugged out.

That is what you get out of government, lying, self interest, and all the things the old tribes did in the old days, it has not changed any.

As for welfare and food stamps, as said above it most likely does equal 12 dollars an hour. I have no idea but that would be close.

A single mom with a couple kids working for a wage of 10 dollars an hour which is pretty standard in many situations, cannot afford to work and pay day care and expenses, so they simply draw welfare and food stamps, It is the system, it is wrong and backwards.

However if you were to deny it, you would have to change much more than just that system, as say you just cut it all off, what then, how would that woman with the kids survive, on 10 dollars an hour, day care, rent, and gas , she could not. So many other things in the world would need to change also.

So I look at that and I just have to think, again , God is smarter than I am, and there must be a reason for it. I need to talk to him about it, as these are just my thoughts, off the cuff.

To me all they do promotes laziness and use of the system, but I can see where if the system was not there, some would not survive. And abuse is in all things, just pick one and it is there. But there is good there too.

Kit

 

[The Templar]

Why so serious?

 

[TheEndofCrazy]

The early Christian church was supposedly a kind of communism where no one had there own possessions but it was all communal property. They also shared the work.

How then do most Christians end up being right wing supporters of capitalism? Why not support equal distribution of wealth along with equal distribution of work?

 

[Boanerges]

God calls us to be good stewards of all He gives us. Socialism has plotted my country on a course of apparently un-reversible economic doom in less than two years of spending with reckless abandon. The Congressional Budget Office of the USA says due to the spending levels of our current administration our economy is unsustainable. Like the prophets of old I weep for my country and would do anything to help her. That is why I am "so serious".

 

[Faith4Bride]

The early Christian church was supposedly a kind of communism where no one had there own possessions but it was all communal property. They also shared the work.

How then do most Christians end up being right wing supporters of capitalism? Why not support equal distribution of wealth along with equal distribution of work?

There is two very important reasons.1) the christian community is a spiritual body of people and what we do is granted to us and ordained from the foundation of the world for us to do amoung ourselves- it is not principles and laws that the world can or should be held to.

and even more importantly

2) The beleivers in acts WILLINGLY SOLD what they had and GAVE to the apostles for the good of all. No one was required to ever give anything, what they had belonged to them to do what they desired with it without force or expectation or requirement. They gave because it was in their heart to give.

But communism is stealing. It TAKES what it wants and gives it supposedly. No one is giving to what they own becuase it is in their heart to do so, they are forced to give what they have, at the determiniation of amount by the government without their consent or approval and then it is used as they desire it to be, and it is ALWAYS given unfairly and not distributed evenly or as there is need.

The church GAVE and were never required to

Communism TAKES and there is no choice that = stealing.