If the church is “Raptured” in this generation, what are the people left still, in the “Institutionalized church”, called?

[Bill]

@Sue D.

We cannot call the Institutionalised church the local church, that would be a long way from the Truth. The Institutionalised church is the top heavy sections of the church, usually with links to the government or state.

The institutionalised churches, as it really is.

The Catholic Church is the largest Christian organization which has an estimated wealth more than $30 billion.
This includes assets and investments.

The Church of England property portfolio and investments are immense. It is sitting on a combination of ancient endowments and investments worth £8.3bn, which last year alone increased by £400m.

50% of the CofE worth comes from the congregations, who have given with a good heart. The higher end of the institutionalised church makes money from investments. Not many years ago the Catholic Church in south America was exposed for investing in online porn, reason, it gave a higher return for their investment! Money!
More recently the CofE was going to buy Wonga, the pay day loan company for a massive amount of money, it gave a high return from their investment, but would have seen the church investing in loans to the poorer people in society, the desperate people. The fact they didn't, doesn't take away the fact they were going to.

Matthew 6:3-4
But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Luke 6:38
Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Acts 4:32
Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common.

Churches today profess to follow the Gospel, but do they? They are run in a totally different way to the early church, which was made up of saved souls who gave all things for the common good.

Lord forgive them we pray, in Jesus Name amen

AMEN Brother

 

[Brother-Paul]

Many years ago the Lord gave me a vision, where i saw all the Children of God . They came from all the Christain Churches including Catholic Jews, Muslims and many others around the World .

All were bickering back and forth of who had the niche on God. " We know God , you don't " and so on.

What God then said. "" There are many, many many here who love me, and I love all of them ""

That is true, but only those who are born again, we are not born again praying through the heart of the blessed virgin Mary, etc.

Let's not forget Jesus told Nicodemus, with a message to Jews and Gentiles, you must be born again, you should not be surprised when I say you must be born again, unless you are born again you will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.

There are many other verses and warnings, I chose John3:3, 3:5, 3:7 here as Jesus himself emphasised we must be born again. 3 times in 3 verses He made it 100% clear.

 

[Sue D.]

@Bill -- we are not living back in the days of Jesus Christ being here on earth. Totally different culture / different time.

The Gospel unto salvation has never changed. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 -- Jesus Christ is the Son of God-- Christ died on the cross according to Scripture -- died , was buried and rose again on the 3rd day. according to Scripture.

Romans 10: 9 - 10 with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.

Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Not of works lest any one should be boastful.

During the times of Jesus Christ -- was there electricity? plumbing? were there cars, airplanes for transportation?

You've shared the Negatives of churches. And there Are Many. And the RCC is Far from Scriptural. That's why men were trying To reform it. That's where the various denominations came from. At least in This country.

Not familiar with the Church of England though I've heard somewhat about it.

IF you Really want to go back To the days of Jesus Christ-- we Could start putting people to death by means of crucifixion. Or stoning people to death.

There's Always been politics and taxes.

 

[rag4acrown1]

They will be called Christians. They will be called the remanent church

When I read that I did not see the baptism of water what I saw was the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Baptism of Water, is given to us by fellow Christians welcoming us into the family. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is given to us by God, and sets us on a path to teach to prophesy to become the witness of God

Just wondering...I was asked, "would you die for me?"
so what would you call being shot through the heart at point blank range in the spiritual be?
In the physical the blast sent me backwards 3 steps, holding my chest, gasping to breath, 3 hard gasps...breathing was restored whole.
I still carry a physical indention or hole where the spiritual bullet made impact.
It use to be sore but not so much anymore.

 

[Brother-Paul]

The Gospel unto salvation has never changed. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 -- Jesus Christ is the Son of God-- Christ died on the cross according to Scripture -- died , was buried and rose again on the 3rd day. according to Scripture.

Romans 10: 9 - 10 with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.

Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Not of works lest any one should be boastful.

Greetings @Sue D.

Spot on I totally agree with your comments here.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@Bill -- we are not living back in the days of Jesus Christ being here on earth. Totally different culture / different time.

During the times of Jesus Christ -- was there electricity? plumbing? were there cars, airplanes for transportation?

Negatives of churches. There Are Many. And the RCC is Far from Scriptural. That's why men were trying To reform it. That's where the various denominations came from. At least in This country.

Not familiar with the Church of England though I've heard somewhat about it.

IF you Really want to go back To the days of Jesus Christ-- we Could start putting people to death by means of crucifixion. Or stoning people to death.

There's Always been politics and taxes.

Greetings @Sue D.

I really do feel that many miss the point when we say things like, we do things differently now, that was then, this is now, that was 2000 years ago, or we live in a different country, different culture, different time period, etc.

Scripturally when we compare the time of Jesus and the time now it is wrong to look at crucifying or stoning people what we should be looking at is...
- what was the early church like - is it like that today
- what did Jesus do and teach - are we really following Him

It is important to look at the culture then as it often portrays better what our Lord was saying, but not to say I live in USA, or UK, we do things differently.

There was a discussion recently, a question was asked saying... 'scripture says men are not to wear women's clothes and women are not to wear men's clothes, can we wear unisex clothes?' It sounded like a sensible question for the person who posted it, but the person failed to look at the culture at the time of Jesus, men and women's clothes were totally different, men wore long robes, women wore long dresses. (They covered their bodies). If the person had read scripture and considered what it was like in the time of Jesus, they would have never asked the question, the reason they asked the question is because... yes, things are done differently today.

We must not fob things off as 'Totally different culture and time'

It is the same with the church, the ekklesia, we should all look back to the early church, from Pentecost, and compare the differences between then and now. But sadly people don't, they are used to church buildings often with comfy seats and yes electric! Those are not the things we should be looking at, we should be looking at the early church, the believers, what they did together, why numbers were added to them daily.

Acts 2:46-47
Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,
praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

Bless you

 

[Bill]

That is true, but only those who are born again, we are not born again praying through the heart of the blessed virgin Mary, etc.

Let's not forget Jesus told Nicodemus, with a message to Jews and Gentiles, you must be born again, you should not be surprised when I say you must be born again, unless you are born again you will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.

There are many other verses and warnings, I chose John3:3, 3:5, 3:7 here as Jesus himself emphasised we must be born again. 3 times in 3 verses He made it 100% clear.

Take into mind , the Vision came from God . I dont try to tell God how to think .

Maybe you missed something , like that phrase in Scripture ( do you believe the Scripture is the Word of God , that is Jesus ? ) John 1 : 1

That passage in Scripture where Mary is speaking Luke 1 : 49 " From this day forward all generations will call me blessed "

Does your bible say that , if so , do you call Mary blessed ? If not Why? I thought you followed the Bible . Or is it only when it suits you ?

You see , this is the Word of God . Jesus inspired those who wrote it . There is purpose . Nothing that God does is without purpose , even if we dont understand it

 

[Bill]

@Bill -- we are not living back in the days of Jesus Christ being here on earth. Totally different culture / different time.

The Gospel unto salvation has never changed. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 -- Jesus Christ is the Son of God-- Christ died on the cross according to Scripture -- died , was buried and rose again on the 3rd day. according to Scripture.

Romans 10: 9 - 10 with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.

Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Not of works lest any one should be boastful.

During the times of Jesus Christ -- was there electricity? plumbing? were there cars, airplanes for transportation?

You've shared the Negatives of churches. And there Are Many. And the RCC is Far from Scriptural. That's why men were trying To reform it. That's where the various denominations came from. At least in This country.

Not familiar with the Church of England though I've heard somewhat about it.

IF you Really want to go back To the days of Jesus Christ-- we Could start putting people to death by means of crucifixion. Or stoning people to death.

There's Always been politics and taxes.

If you think that the Scripture was only written for a certain time period , then the Box you set God in is small . And i am here to tear that lid off that box .

 

[Bill]

@Bill -- we are not living back in the days of Jesus Christ being here on earth. Totally different culture / different time.

The Gospel unto salvation has never changed. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 -- Jesus Christ is the Son of God-- Christ died on the cross according to Scripture -- died , was buried and rose again on the 3rd day. according to Scripture.

Romans 10: 9 - 10 with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.

Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Not of works lest any one should be boastful.

During the times of Jesus Christ -- was there electricity? plumbing? were there cars, airplanes for transportation?

You've shared the Negatives of churches. And there Are Many. And the RCC is Far from Scriptural. That's why men were trying To reform it. That's where the various denominations came from. At least in This country.

Not familiar with the Church of England though I've heard somewhat about it.

IF you Really want to go back To the days of Jesus Christ-- we Could start putting people to death by means of crucifixion. Or stoning people to death.

There's Always been politics and taxes.

Jesus is God , the Alpha and the Omaga . He is the Eternal God who created time and space . Time and space have no meaning to God , its only mankind these things have meaning . But after the death of the Temple of the Holy Spirit , your soul will find eternity before it .

 

[Bill]

Just wondering...I was asked, "would you die for me?"
so what would you call being shot through the heart at point blank range in the spiritual be?
In the physical the blast sent me backwards 3 steps, holding my chest, gasping to breath, 3 hard gasps...breathing was restored whole.
I still carry a physical indention or hole where the spiritual bullet made impact.
It use to be sore but not so much anymore.

I will die for You .

I will die for many .

Your life story is special , i would love to hear it all .

I do spiritual warfair . Out of the body , working with Angels . Your story is not that , it is an experience with God . I can see the Movement of the Holy Spirit within you.

Although some here may ridicule your experience , i ask you to take the time and share the full experience . There are some here that need to hear it .

 

[Bill]

Greetings @Sue D.

I really do feel that many miss the point when we say things like, we do things differently now, that was then, this is now, that was 2000 years ago, or we live in a different country, different culture, different time period, etc.

Scripturally when we compare the time of Jesus and the time now it is wrong to look at crucifying or stoning people what we should be looking at is...
- what was the early church like - is it like that today
- what did Jesus do and teach - are we really following Him

It is important to look at the culture then as it often portrays better what our Lord was saying, but not to say I live in USA, or UK, we do things differently.

There was a discussion recently, a question was asked saying... 'scripture says men are not to wear women's clothes and women are not to wear men's clothes, can we wear unisex clothes?' It sounded like a sensible question for the person who posted it, but the person failed to look at the culture at the time of Jesus, men and women's clothes were totally different, men wore long robes, women wore long dresses. (They covered their bodies). If the person had read scripture and considered what it was like in the time of Jesus, they would have never asked the question, the reason they asked the question is because... yes, things are done differently today.

We must not fob things off as 'Totally different culture and time'

It is the same with the church, the ekklesia, we should all look back to the early church, from Pentecost, and compare the differences between then and now. But sadly people don't, they are used to church buildings often with comfy seats and yes electric! Those are not the things we should be looking at, we should be looking at the early church, the believers, what they did together, why numbers were added to them daily.

Acts 2:46-47
Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,
praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

Bless you

You are so physical in your thinking . I know im repeating myself . You need to see as God sees. Dont put God in that box . Its time for you to go beyond where you are now . Time to Grow

 

[Bill]

I know im speaking like a smartallic . But that is scriptural too . Im following in the steps of my teacher , Elijah

 

[rag4acrown1]

Greetings @Sue D.

I really do feel that many miss the point when we say things like, we do things differently now, that was then, this is now, that was 2000 years ago, or we live in a different country, different culture, different time period, etc.

Scripturally when we compare the time of Jesus and the time now it is wrong to look at crucifying or stoning people what we should be looking at is...
- what was the early church like - is it like that today
- what did Jesus do and teach - are we really following Him

It is important to look at the culture then as it often portrays better what our Lord was saying, but not to say I live in USA, or UK, we do things differently.

There was a discussion recently, a question was asked saying... 'scripture says men are not to wear women's clothes and women are not to wear men's clothes, can we wear unisex clothes?' It sounded like a sensible question for the person who posted it, but the person failed to look at the culture at the time of Jesus, men and women's clothes were totally different, men wore long robes, women wore long dresses. (They covered their bodies). If the person had read scripture and considered what it was like in the time of Jesus, they would have never asked the question, the reason they asked the question is because... yes, things are done differently today.

We must not fob things off as 'Totally different culture and time'

It is the same with the church, the ekklesia, we should all look back to the early church, from Pentecost, and compare the differences between then and now. But sadly people don't, they are used to church buildings often with comfy seats and yes electric! Those are not the things we should be looking at, we should be looking at the early church, the believers, what they did together, why numbers were added to them daily.

Acts 2:46-47
Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,
praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

Bless you

He said
Forsaking all,
Pick up your cross
and follow me.

A warrior for God doesn't get entangled with the affairs of this world.
Go, sell all that thou has, and give alms to the poor; and ye shall have treasure in heaven.

Lord have mercy on us all.

 

[rag4acrown1]

I know im speaking like a smartallic . But that is scriptural too . Im following in the steps of my teacher , Elijah

the Holy Spirit is the only true Teacher...

 

[PloughBoy]

(Jeremiah 23: 1-40). For full dis-closure

25I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. 26How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; 27Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. 28The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. 29Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? 30Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. 31Behold, I amagainst the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. 32Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD

 

[PloughBoy]

Our God is "immutable" The same God yesterday is the same God today, He never changes. Nor His ways.

 

[Sue D.]

well -- Mary was the mother of Jesus. And the Luke passage Does say that -- but just previously vs 46 her soul is magnifying the Lord and her spirit is rejoicing in God her Savior -- future generations will call her blessed because He who is mighty has done great things for her. And holy is His name." There are those who take those comments as a springboard for Highly exalting her -- Praying through her -- when Scripture tells us that Jesus Christ is The mediator between God and mankind.

 

[Sue D.]

Just wondering...I was asked, "would you die for me?"
so what would you call being shot through the heart at point blank range in the spiritual be?
In the physical the blast sent me backwards 3 steps, holding my chest, gasping to breath, 3 hard gasps...breathing was restored whole.
I still carry a physical indention or hole where the spiritual bullet made impact.
It use to be sore but not so much anymore.

Being shot through the heart ....in the 'spiritual' be?

A 'spiritual' bullet?! going through a physical body?!

A person shot through the heart at point blank range would be dead immediately.

NOW -- IF a person was wearing a bullet-proof vest -- something like that Could happen.

Police men wear those frequently. They are very real bullets and the thick, heavy fabric in a bullet-proof vest will keep bullets from getting through and killing a person. And the impact of the bullet Will send them down and it will be painful from the impact on muscles. And occasionally a person Will be hit by a bullet, but the bullet would hit their police badge or a heavy-metal something and either lodge There or be deflected. And, again, knocks the person down -- catch their breath and be fine.

Many decades ago when my husband was in the military -- he Thought he saw a comrade being shot in the head -- he had a helmet on -- Doug saw the guy fall and Assumed it had killed him. He found out years later that the guy had been shot - the bullet had hit the front of his helmet -- instead of going Through the helmet and killing the guy -- the bullet went through the lining of the helmet and out the other side of it. The guy had definitely done down -- Doug had been in an area that he wasn't supposed to be in as had the other soldier. IF they had both been in a 'safe' zone, none of that would have happened. He thought he'd witnessed a friendly-fire episode and it shook him up a great deal.

 

[Bill]

He said
Forsaking all,
Pick up your cross
and follow me.

A warrior for God doesn't get entangled with the affairs of this world.
Go, sell all that thou has, and give alms to the poor; and ye shall have treasure in heaven.

Lord have mercy on us all.

How do you know a warrior doesnt get entangled with the affairs of this world . What of the Two Witnesses ??? They are definitely Gods warriors

 

[Bill]

well -- Mary was the mother of Jesus. And the Luke passage Does say that -- but just previously vs 46 her soul is magnifying the Lord and her spirit is rejoicing in God her Savior -- future generations will call her blessed because He who is mighty has done great things for her. And holy is His name." There are those who take those comments as a springboard for Highly exalting her -- Praying through her -- when Scripture tells us that Jesus Christ is The mediator between God and mankind.

I highly exalt her , but i dont worship her as God . And she is not God .

I do as Jesus says through his Word of Scripture