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Imagine standing for long sermons

Christina2000

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Literally! Apparently church pews only came about around about the time of the Protestant reformation.
How hard it must have been if a preacher carried on for hours, as they sometimes did. Let's be grateful for these more comfortable days, at my age with arthritis I simply cannot stand up for long.
 
Literally! Apparently church pews only came about around about the time of the Protestant reformation.
How hard it must have been if a preacher carried on for hours, as they sometimes did. Let's be grateful for these more comfortable days, at my age with arthritis I simply cannot stand up for long.
Probably the only way to prevent another person from falling asleep and out the window again. Although that did happen in the N.T., believers do joke about falling asleep in the pews listening to the pastor's sermons. Maybe half jokingly?

Acts 20:8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.
9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.
11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.
12 And they brought the young man alive, and were not a little comforted
 
If Jesus was on the cross for 6 hours experiencing the worse form of torture, pretty sure we can stand for that long.
 
If Jesus was on the cross for 6 hours experiencing the worse form of torture, pretty sure we can stand for that long.
Not sure what that will prove or do when they may be distracted by thoughts of how uncomfortable they are and wanting to sit.

James 2:1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Since they had foot stools in that assembly James is writing to, I would imagine that when all the best seats are taken, they can sit on the floor.

So I am not sure why it would be necessary to be forced to stand in listening to a sermon.

Pretty sure that when Jesus gave a Sermon on the Mount, they were some sitting on the ground too. Those standing may be inclined to sit as well so as to not obstruct the view of Him in respect towards others sitting.

Acts 20:8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.
9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.
11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.
12 And they brought the young man alive, and were not a little comforted.

Although this guy fell asleep listening to Paul's sermon, and fell from the window he was sitting at and was dead, the Lord had mercy on him too and he lived.

So if you want to stand, feel free to do so, but give mercy & Christ's love to those who prefer to sit instead.
 
@GodB4Us It's not about "proving" anything.
Minus those who can't do it, the rest of us who can can "suffer" for a few hours or so at least one day a week. If not then what does that say about the person? Sitting or standing for too long causes problem.
Pretty sure Jesus "preferred" not to die "If it can, let the cup pass from me." not exact words.
He did it anyway. Makes you wonder how our early church leaders every survived without "free" donuts and overpriced brown water.
 
@GodB4Us It's not about "proving" anything.
Minus those who can't do it, the rest of us who can can "suffer" for a few hours or so at least one day a week. If not then what does that say about the person? Sitting or standing for too long causes problem.
Pretty sure Jesus "preferred" not to die "If it can, let the cup pass from me." not exact words.
He did it anyway. Makes you wonder how our early church leaders every survived without "free" donuts and overpriced brown water.
I just do not see any inference per the scripture I have referenced for why any one requiring to stand.
 
IMO and experience as well as looking at what "church" is, it's logically a weekly class on learning more about self, God, human history; good and bad, and all of creation.
There is usually praise and prayer before and after.
I've had enough college to know when I need to get up and move around. Generally, classes more than 1 hour are broken up into 50 minute increments. Our attention span and retaining info peaks between 25-30 minutes and sharply declines at 40-50 minutes.
If you want to learn and retain the best way and knowing church generally lasts 1.5 - 3 hour s depending on the church there should be a ten minute break in the middle.
Most, even the fewer, better preachers say it's "because of reverence and respect" and most certainly push for red letter words and phrases. Pretty sure any Christian worth their merit doesn't stop "showing God thankfulness and respect" when sitting down or church is over.
Besides, many cannot stand for long periods.
 
IMO and experience as well as looking at what "church" is, it's logically a weekly class on learning more about self, God, human history; good and bad, and all of creation.
There is usually praise and prayer before and after.
I've had enough college to know when I need to get up and move around. Generally, classes more than 1 hour are broken up into 50 minute increments. Our attention span and retaining info peaks between 25-30 minutes and sharply declines at 40-50 minutes.
If you want to learn and retain the best way and knowing church generally lasts 1.5 - 3 hour s depending on the church there should be a ten minute break in the middle.
Most, even the fewer, better preachers say it's "because of reverence and respect" and most certainly push for red letter words and phrases. Pretty sure any Christian worth their merit doesn't stop "showing God thankfulness and respect" when sitting down or church is over.
Besides, many cannot stand for long periods.
Since it is God that is ministering and not the pastor, if God wants us to know something, He will have us hear it, even if we were daydreaming for most of the sermon until He has our ears pick it up. He does work in that way also.
 
@GodB4Us I was giving a general POV of what church is.
If people can see it in a different way they can be more likely to start going and renew their drive for Him.
I love learning and in a lot of things but I have read more than enough of the Bible and studied to see the same Ben Stein type of teaching and "phrases" and how most speak.
Just b/c someone completed the minimum requirements to be pastor doesn't mean they can stand in front of people and speak effectively.
 
@GodB4Us I was giving a general POV of what church is.
If people can see it in a different way they can be more likely to start going and renew their drive for Him.
I love learning and in a lot of things but I have read more than enough of the Bible and studied to see the same Ben Stein type of teaching and "phrases" and how most speak.
Just b/c someone completed the minimum requirements to be pastor doesn't mean they can stand in front of people and speak effectively.
2 Corinthians 3:1Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

God can use any one since it is on Him to minister & cause the increase.

Church is the body of believers but in these latter days church seems to be the pastor as the only ministering member as if everything God ministers can only be through the pastor and that is a misconception.

Christ is in each believer and so He can minister through any believer He wants to. We need no commendation from any pastor by His degrees but by the Lord leading him by the Holy Spirit in him.
 
George Whitefield and many more “Reformers” preach to thousands in fields and streets before and after The 2 mile law. No Microphones benches or chairs.

Example:
Whitefield's maximum crowd size is estimated at 20,000 people under pessimistic conditions, while under ideal acoustic conditions it is projected he could have reached 50,000 people at once. Oxford Scholarship Online requires a subscription or purchase to access the full text of books within the service.

2-3 hours use to be normal length of a “Sermon” and if you wanted to sit down, you better bring your own “Stool”. Or set down on the floor or ground.

Modern day Christianity is what it is: “Modern day” and modern day worship services,
And we can cause this modern mess to delivered to us by“John Calvin”, Sunday school and all, ! Except musical instruments in the local church. You could sing Congregation songs, John Calvin was not going to let no soloist and musical instruments, and fornicators and Adulterer’s taking “Communion in His Church”! They knew who was fornicating and who had “Mistresses” he block them from The Commuion table’!:joy:

And they would shoot up his house at night too!

Thay said he was too strick!

He would say: I can not stop you from coming to church, But you “ hypocrites“ will not be Taking “ communion“ here, it will be over my dead body!
That Luther had A bad Temper, some time he would curse those Catholic minister out!

And That John Knox, with that deep roaring voice and Scrappy Beard and sometimes carry That “broadsword” “Mary Qeen of Scots was Afraid of Him” and I think she cried too, when he came into the Room! And she would kill Heretics, but she feared him!

I loved those “Biographies “ of The Great Reformers” in my early years when I became “Born of GOD”! Not Teachings, but “The Way” they lived! It was “Astounding” and totally exciting the way They live and proclaimed and suffered presenting “The Gospel According To Jesus Christ”!

I could not get enough from “Polycarp” to “ G, Campbell Morgan!, Martin Lloyd Jones:pensive:

You talking about “Heavy”!

I remember my daddy told me in his old age, he said: “your Brother is Rough [who is a Baptist Pastor] , But you “Son” you are “Heavy” and Good as Goldand you, “DON’T KNOW IT”! You remind me of “My Daddy”! Yes He did!

And When he died a fell to the Floor And Cried like A baby and. Could not get my Breath nor could I stand on my feet!

And I Eulogize, his Funeral, and Funeral Director & many others said i was not going to be able. To do it! My father was Along way from perfect growing as a child, But My Mother would say he is your father and he loves you, that is why he would not let you do what other kids parents would let them do! And I Loved and Feared My Daddy!!
I would have done many of bad things with the kids I grew up with, but I knew My Daddy would have nearly Killed me!

And I thank both of Them in Their age for Discipline me as They did.
My Mama drew “Blood”:joy:

In the old days, “They Would Beat The Hell out of You” you would have To Call on “Jesus to Save You”! You learn early! “Jesus Saves”:joy: and Heal your wounds!

And Guide you into The Ways of Green Pastures”. “create in me A Clean Heart” Hide Me Under The Shadow of Your Wings, Forgive Me LORD, Mama I Repent!
“Help Me JESUS! She going To Kill me with a “Switch”!

And Those “Switches” made noise! Swish Swish Swish! :joy:

Note: They tell you go outside and bring them a switch so they can whip you! And you better bring me a Good one! :joy:

Was that a long Sermon?
 
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Oh’ how many especially of those of a “ Scottish“ background remember “The Three legged Green Stool” of “Jenny Geddes”! Which she Hurled at The preaching preacher,

I think it started a civil war, or almost did.


It was normal for people to bring their own chair to church.
 
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