Inconsistances in Genesis

[cyclingseasons]

Over 6000 years, and these remain unresolved


A few examples, in order of occurrence...


Genesis 1 states that all creatures were created, then man.

Genesis 2 states that man was created, then all other animals were created for him in the search for man's companion


Another question, when Cain went out and took his wife- where did she comefrom? It could only be his sister; it states that it was only later that Adam and Eve bore a third son (Seth).

Where do all these wives copme from?

also

'So the LORD said: "I will wipe out from the earth the men whom I have created, and not only the men, but also the beasts and the creeping things and the birds of the air, for I am sorry that I made them."'
(Gen 6:7)

If god is so loving and merciful, why would he punish all creatures for man's wickedness? indeed, YHWH seems a rather vengeful spirit in the old testament- wiping out entire races, commanding the slaughtering of animals to appease him, 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth'...



Also, were ALL animals brought brought two each, or were clean animals brought in seven pairs? The numbers don't agree
<dl compact="compact"><dt> </dt><dd> Of all other living creatures you shall bring two into the ark, one male and one female, that you may keep them alive with you.</dd><dt> </dt><dd> Of all kinds of birds, of all kinds of beasts, and of all kinds of creeping things, two of each shall come into the ark with you, to stay alive.</dd><dt>(Gen 6:19-20)</dt><dd>

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<dl compact="compact"><dt> </dt><dd> likewise, of every clean bird of the air, seven pairs, a male and a female, and of all the unclean birds, one pair, a male and a female. Thus you will keep their issue alive over all the earth.</dd><dt> </dt></dl>(Gen 7:4)


also...

Never again will I doom the earth because of man
(Gen 8:21)

Yet Revelations predicts exactly that

<dl compact="compact"><dt> </dt><dt> </dt><dd>
</dd><dd>Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants.</dd><dt>(9:3)</dt><dd>This is when we began eating flesh. It says 'Every creature that is alive,' yet in later books we are told that [God changes his mind] not all animals are to be eaten]</dd></dl>Ham was cursed for (no fault of his own) walking in on a drunk, passed out, naked Noah. How does this fit w/ a god of infinite love and forgiveness?

We revert back and forth from El and Yahweh, from singular to plural



That should enough for one post

 

[Dreamer]

Huh? I don't get it. God is plural, singular, then plural? God is One God in three, He is God the Father, Jesus- the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[cyclingseasons]

And the other seven-hundred plus examples I can show you?

[edited by Chad: no links without permission. Second time breaking the rule in one day. One more, your banned]

 

[On the Path]

I think Clyclingseasons should read the Bible instead of books about the Bible.

 

[Chad]

Over 6000 years, and these remain unresolved

In your view, not ours. Considering reading the Bible and seeking wisdom from GOD, not your own. What remains unresolved is your lack of seeking wisdom humbly from GOD. This thread is pointless as it your motive and lack of respect for GOD's Word.

If god is so loving and merciful, why would he punish all creatures for man's wickedness? indeed, YHWH seems a rather vengeful spirit in the old testament- wiping out entire races, commanding the slaughtering of animals to appease him, 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth'...

Who are you to speak against GOD? Your own wisdom is holier and wiser than Him? I think not. Who created the creatures that one like you may disagree with what the Creator does with His creatures?

You clearly lack the motive to seek wisdom before you speak out of your own flesh. That is called foolishness and the wisdom of man, not of GOD.

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart;do not depend on your ownunderstanding.

Proverbs 18:2
Fools have no interest in understanding;they only want to air their own opinions.

 

[Chad]

Three offenses against the forum rules in one day. Account closed, motive exposed.

Your profile:

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="3"><tbody><tr><td>Accepted Jesus Christ:
na </td> </tr><tr> <td> Bible:
Other </td> </tr><tr> <td> Bible Verse:
none </td> </tr><tr> <td> Favorite Book:
Ecclessiastes (sp?)</td></tr></tbody></table>

Odd, never accepted Jesus Christ, "other" Bible and favorite book Ecclessiastes? Not a difficult puzzle to solve if you ask me.

Let us praise and worship GOD for nothing can speak against Him nor His power in Christ Jesus, nothing.

 

[Chad]

I think Clyclingseasons should read the Bible instead of books about the Bible.

Amen. Ignorance and arrogance belongs to a fool. Wisdom comes from GOD alone and makes a man wise. A man who does not seek wisdom from GOD is indeed a fool.

 

[sabre7]

I'm pretty certain you have to believe

to understand that God is God, but also The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

I could never understand that before, until I 'got it.'

But I agree, nothing good was coming from this series of posts.

 

[jculver]

I think Clyclingseasons should read the Bible instead of books about the Bible.

LOL. Hilariously true. I don't know whay I find it so funny, but it gets me because it is just so true.

Anyway, Chad please leave this thread open if possible, I would like to try and respond to his post and prove it wrong If you would

Cycling I hope to reconcile these verses for you, I assure you it is not impossible. Check this post again tomorrow I will edit it and explain. (Assuming you can still view the site now that you got banned)

 

[jculver]

Over 6000 years, and these remain unresolved


A few examples, in order of occurrence...


Genesis 1 states that all creatures were created, then man.

Genesis 2 states that man was created, then all other animals were created for him in the search for man's companion

Gen 1 clearly states that beasts were created first.

Gen 2 19 states "Out of the ground God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man..."

So what is the problem here? God FORMED them, doesn’t mean they were the first or original creation. As Gen 1 clearly states the animals were already created. Can there not be more than one of any animal? Could not a God who just finished creating a whole world not "form" or create additional animals right in front of man if he so desires?

The idea of this being an inconsistency just shows how "in-depth" you really looked at these passages.

Another question, when Cain went out and took his wife- where did she comefrom?

Obviously it was his sister. If man was to reproduce it was obviously the only choice. Would you instead maybe have him mate with an animal? Clearly not, and clearly this type of marriage in the first days of creation is far different then this type of marriage would be in our time, or even by the time of Moses if you would actually read your bible.

In your eyes God is obviously incapable. An omnipotent God who created the world could not bring about a successful human population out of only 2 people that's for sure.

You believe in Evolution? I guess the first 2 "missing-links" mated with each other, and they were likely brother and sister, unless by some amazing miracle they were born of different monkey parents, and just happened to find each other.

It could only be his sister; it states that it was only later that Adam and Eve bore a third son (Seth).

It certainly is STATED later that they bore a third son (Gen 5), but notice in Gen 4:14 "... and whoever finds me will kill me", which indicates there was a larger population then just Cain and Abel, and Adam and Eve.

Just because not EVERYTHING is stated in every verse doesn't mean you can read carelessly and not pick up on these kinds of things, and then use them as an excuse for your unbelief.

Notice also in Gen 5, there is a subject change "This is the book of the generations of Adam."

Can a book not change subject? Even before this particular son is mentioned, many other humans have come into existence including Enoch and Lamech. Seth was particularly from Adam, which is why he is mentioned in such a way.

Where do all these wives copme from?

Read more carefully, perhaps you will see.

also

'So the LORD said: "I will wipe out from the earth the men whom I have created, and not only the men, but also the beasts and the creeping things and the birds of the air, for I am sorry that I made them."'
(Gen 6:7)

If god is so loving and merciful, why would he punish all creatures for man's wickedness? indeed, YHWH seems a rather vengeful spirit in the old testament- wiping out entire races, commanding the slaughtering of animals to appease him, 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth'...

Much like a fool you question punishment. If a child is never punished when he does wrong what happens? If you say you love your child, and you don't correct it's mistakes, you’re a liar, and you have no love for the creature at all.

Sacrifice in the OT was to help illustrate to man the significance of sin. You think Man or God enjoyed the death of an innocent animal? No! It was to show man the significance of sin. "It is so awful that look what happens when you do it"

Note that God was always merciful to anyone who sought mercy. Seek and ye shall find...

Even you could still obtain mercy from God if you sought it, even though you clearly hate his ways so much you would do anything not to believe.

Also, were ALL animals brought brought two each, or were clean animals brought in seven pairs? The numbers don't agree
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Of all other living creatures you shall bring two into the ark, one male and one female, that you may keep them alive with you.
Of all kinds of birds, of all kinds of beasts, and of all kinds of creeping things, two of each shall come into the ark with you, to stay alive.
(Gen 6:19-20)
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likewise, of every clean bird of the air, seven pairs, a male and a female, and of all the unclean birds, one pair, a male and a female. Thus you will keep their issue alive over all the earth.
(Gen 7:4)

Again, you are so obviously trying to find inconsistencies that you don't see.

What were the extra 6 pairs of birds etc for? Look at Gen (8:20), and Gen (9:3). Sacrifice, and food.

also...

Never again will I doom the earth because of man
(Gen 8:21)

Yet Revelations predicts exactly that

Doom the earth? How old is that translation? Try "curse the ground" from the NASB. This obviously could be indicative of many things.
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Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants.
(9:3)
This is when we began eating flesh. It says 'Every creature that is alive,' yet in later books we are told that [God changes his mind] not all animals are to be eaten]

This is a pretty weak "inconsistency". You just casually say, "changed his mind" without showing scripture to back it up. Clearly as it is shown to Peter later in the same vision 3 times, God declares all meat fine to eat. Those books were written likely 2000+ years from each other.

Ham was cursed for (no fault of his own) walking in on a drunk, passed out, naked Noah. How does this fit w/ a god of infinite love and forgiveness?

Obviously it was not simply for seeing his Father naked. He probably was delighting in seeing his Father reduced to such a state of being drunk and passed out, he was enjoying his Fathers sin and enjoying Noah's failure, so much so that he went to share it with his brothers.

We revert back and forth from El and Yahweh, from singular to plural

God has many names. It is that simple. When a person says "God" nowadays they can be referring to any number of "Gods", but if I say "God of the bible" or "God of Israel" etc. then I am referring to a specific God (the only one that exists).

That should enough for one post

Should be enough to prove that you don't want to believe. You don't want to believe in Hell and the thought that if you don't change your ways and accept Jesus that you will be there forever. You don't want to change your ways, so you become a critic.

Being a critic of the bible will not save you from an eternal Hell, only Jesus will. He still will, if you would only ask him. Not believing in Hell wont save you from it, if that were the case I would stop believing in germs, and spiders and a number of other things, but clearly that is illogical.

 

[Dreamer]

jculver, that is very good, I appreciate you looking up scriptures and writing that posts. I sincerely hope that cyclingseasons will somehow be able to read this. I pray that God will soften his heart someday and that He will see the Truth and be set free.

 

[On the Path]

We revert back and forth from El and Yahweh, from singular to plural

I keep coming back to this and want to respond to this particular sentence.

I am known by more than one name.
I am Barbara,
I am Miss Barbara
I am Mrs. ____,
I am Mom
I am someone's wife
I am 5 different people's sister
I am two different people's daughter
I am someone's daughter-in-law
I am someone's step-daughter

I am also known for what I do:
I have been a sunday school teacher
I have been a PE teacher
I have been someone's secretary
I have been I was a hair dresser
And now I am a real estate agent


If I can be known by so many names and respond to them all, and if I can also be known by what I do, can't the Lord be known by several different names and also by what he does?

It's time to read your Bible instead of books that have no other purpose than to destroy the Bible and create doubt in your mind.

 

[sabre7]

I keep coming back to this and want to respond to this particular sentence.

If I can be known by so many names and respond to them all, and if I can also be known by what I do, can't the Lord be known by several different names and also by what he does?

It's time to read your Bible instead of books that have no other purpose than to destroy the Bible and create doubt in your mind.

A great point!

As long as we know we're praying to the True God, The father who sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins, then God will know our intention, no matter what name we know him by.

Though I think i've missed some of the posts before this one...gonna go back and see how it worked out