Is a sin unto death physical or spiritual?

[Romans 8.28]

1 John 5:16 . . There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

First off do we have examples? Very well known is the story of Ananias, with Sapphira his wife of Acts 5:1-10 where they lied to the Holy Spirit.

One near to a sin unto death was the man having his father's wife of 1 Corinthians 5:1, and delivered unto Satan in 1 Corinthians 5:5 for the destruction of the flesh. Did he die? No, we see him forgiven and received back into fellowship in 2 Corinthians 2:1-13.

What of Moses? He certainly sinned a sin unto death. Numbers 20:12 The LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, because ye believed me not to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Deuteronomy 32:50-51 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people: 51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh . .

Saul in 1 Samuel 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day. 19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

The question we might ask is where these different disobedient ones are. We are not told with Ananias and Sapphira, but with Moses we know he was seen in a vision

Matthew 17:1-3 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. It is evident Moses was not spiritually dead.

What of Saul? 1 Samuel 28:19 . . To morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me. Other than being in the grave, where was Samuel? He as well as the righteous of God were in Abraham's bosom. We also read of Samuel in Hebrews 11:32. If Saul and his sons were to be with Samuel, they were only physically dead.

My thoughts - Discussion or ideas?

 

[stephen]

Is a sin unto death physical or spiritual?

Our main objective as servants of Jesus today, is to live for Him. To bring folks to Jesus, as living testimony of our 'faith' in Jesus.

Everyone who believeth from the heart that Jesus is the Messiah
and exercises faith is His atoning blood is born of God, and everyone so begotton loves both God and man.

This emphasis the utter simplicity od Salvation.....Jn 3:16. Rom 10:9/10....ect.

 

[Brother Mike]

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

One sin, and that would be the bad one. I would suspect eternal separation from God for this one.


1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

This would also be One sin........... don't pray for that one, as it won't do much good.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible..........(To get them back or renew them again)
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Here is another one, same sin, we can do nothing to convince them to come back or get them renewed again. No need to pray about it.

Sin produces Physical Death:

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

All sin brings the curse of the Law into effect into our lives. This death is not always physical death, it produces death into all areas of our lives. The effects of sin are immediate though we normally won't realize it.

Often it comes in the form of missing out on God's blessings for us that would have promoted us, or enriched our lives.

Jer 17:6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

Death of great relationships, Death in finances, Death in family closeness or ties, death in our natural things (Break down, give out, needs replaced.)

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Deu 28:17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.

Our money will be wasted as we put it in bags with Holes.


Hag 1:5 Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.
Hag 1:6 Ye have sown much, and bring in little; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes.

Deu 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

Loss of children to family services, through divorces.

Deu 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

All sickness comes from the curse of the law, and not obeying the voice of God.

Deu 28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

Fear, mental illnesses, unable to think clearly and make right choices, all part of that curse.

Deu 28:22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

Mold, bug infestations that never seem to stop, inflamed limbs, joints, Pain, all these are part of the curse.

Every form of sickness came from the curse or disobedience, or the curse of the Law.

It all was designed for one purpose.............. Not to teach us something, not to give God some warped glory, not to build faith or character, but to Kill us dead.

Deu 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

To say it is God's will for cancer, or God's will for tragedy, is to say it's also God's will that we don't obey his voice and sin.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[Romans 8.28]

Our main objective as servants of Jesus today, is to live for Him. To bring folks to Jesus, as living testimony of our 'faith' in Jesus.

Everyone who believeth from the heart that Jesus is the Messiah
and exercises faith is His atoning blood is born of God, and everyone so begotton loves both God and man.

This emphasis the utter simplicity of Salvation.....Jn 3:16. Rom 10:9/10....ect.

I agree with your thoughts here, but I would add that there is the very necessary need of growing in grace and knowledge of our Lord.

Dear brother, I agree with your thoughts here, but I believe Paul talks of a purpose driven life in Christ in the following scripture that extends further than just getting saved.

1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

2 Timothy 4:7-8 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Peter doesn't just remain a babe in Christ. 2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

When we look at what "Loving His appearing" in 2 Timothy 4:8, I have a friend John H. that expressed the following thought that probably applies to many Christians and their spiritual walk.

"A couple of weeks ago, our pastor was telling us how that when I was sixteen years old, he had left town and had hardly got out of town when I took his car out and wrecked it. I mean it was so bad that the tires were wrenched. Now I loved my dad: don't you think I loved my dad at that time, but I didn't love his appearing when he was coming. I absolutely did not care to see his appearing, and there's a lot of Christians like that concerning the appearing of our Lord. Paul was in effect saying that if he heard that the Lord was coming today or this week, he wouldn't change any of his schedules. Examine yourself to see if you've got this fruit in your life. Is your life is full of love, patience, joy, and peace?"

The thought I attempted to bring forth in my thread here is that I believe the sin unto death does not eternally separate a believer from our Lord.

Thanks.

 

[Romans 8.28]

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

One sin, and that would be the bad one. I would suspect eternal separation from God for this one.

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Hi Brother Mike, and thanks for your comments.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

I would first say that any sin we commit is not accidental; we can't blame-shift that to I didn't know any better. Receiving knowledge and acting upon it are two separate things as we find with the Jews in Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

These people had received that knowledge shown them by the Holy Spirit as we read in John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.

They heard Jesus, they were shown miracles, and yet they turned back. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. They partook of the Holy Spirit's witness, they tasted in all they heard and saw, and that was not enough for them. Well, there is none other way. To me, this is not the sin unto death; they never lived.

1 Corinthians 3:14-15 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. A sin unto death for a Christian is surely a loss as to what they could have had.

My thoughts.

 

[jari]

i don't think any sin can separate us from God. the curse of law applies only those under the law.
but we are under grace.

So it must mean something else. and if person sins to death Spiritual or physical then we may not be able to help and the person may die physically to his sins or spriritually at least.
but you can always repent. and God will restore your life.

so though we are saved by Grace and always forgiven we may cause our self harm with sins .

God forgives but sin has consequences.

doesn't mean we lose our salvation.



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[Romans 8.28]

i don't think any sin can separate us from God. the curse of law applies only those under the law.
but we are under grace.

So it must mean something else. and if person sins to death Spiritual or physical then we may not be able to help and the person may die physically to his sins or spriritually at least.
but you can always repent. and God will restore your life.

so though we are saved by Grace and always forgiven we may cause our self harm with sins .

God forgives but sin has consequences.

doesn't mean we lose our salvation.

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Amen and thanks for your reply. If Jesus loses any of us that have been given to Him, He wouldn't be accomplishing the will of our Father as we read in John 6:37-40. "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me (This is us) I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.